Mystery Machine.

1963

Noble
The Chivruay Pass incident (Russian: Чивруайская трагедия - Chivruay tragedy) is the death of ten ski hikers in the Lovozero Massif in the Soviet Union between 27 and 28 January 1973. The trekking group, who were all from the Kuibyshev Aviation Institute, had been hiking the slopes of Lovozero Massif in an area of Chivruay Pass. After the group's bodies were discovered, an investigation by Soviet Union authorities determined that all ten had died from hypothermia.
following inspection of the campsite: “One of the panoramic shots contains a clearly visible rock with a tea kettle placed on it… the blizzard would have blown it away. As for the torn tents - there had been no blizzards in the area strong enough to tear up a fastened tent. It could only have been torn by a person in a state of hysteria.”

CHIVRUAY LEFT THEM FOREVER YOUNG
Chivruay left them forever young

DYATLOV PASS INCIDENT VS. CHIVRUAY TRAGEDY
Dyatlov Pass incident vs. Chivruay tragedy



The death of the Korovina group
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Six out of seven in their group did not survive. The only survivor, Valentina Utochenko, 17, later wrote in a statement how, during the difficult descent, carried out in near zero visibility, one of the members of the group was struck down hard, foaming at the mouth and bleeding from the ears. The rest of the group shortly developed the same symptoms. The six members who died had done so almost simultaneously, after rolling around on the ground, tearing their clothes off and clutching their throats.
But the available information doesn’t explain everything. Why would Korovina lead the group down the bare upper arm of the ridge, when they could have just as easily taken the woodland-covered trail down? What was behind the gruesome bleeding? Or the protein deficiency – given that the group ate healthy? How could six people die in a matter of minutes?

Cheers.

 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
You can spin mysteries till the end of time, but I explained here what actually happened #51.

They were young and penniless, so instead of buying a proper stove, they made one themselves. In the middle of the night stove stalled and fumes filled the tent so everybody started suffocating ...

This isn't my idea but I read somewhere a blog post about it.
 

1963

Noble
You can spin mysteries till the end of time, but I explained here what actually happened #51.

They were young and penniless, so instead of buying a proper stove, they made one themselves. In the middle of the night stove stalled and fumes filled the tent so everybody started suffocating ...

This isn't my idea but I read somewhere a blog post about it.

A blog post uh? ... well that's it then , mystery solved! ... Because you saw a blog post somewhere? ... No :stop: ..Might that be a blog post by Clark Wilkins? or someone else that was copy/pasting or simply paraphrasing from his book "A Compelling Unknown Force - The Dyatlov Pass Incident aka Six Hours to Live" in which he promotes the theory that the hikers left the tent due to smoke from the stove.? The problem with this theory is that they wouldn't need to go a mile down the hill to escape smoke in the tent.... Even if they thought it could be a fire in the tent they wouldn’t need to go so far from it. [almost naked and in different directions in the undoubted arctic temperature?] They could easily put it down with plenty of snow around, and easily remedied by opening the tent up and ventilating. They certainly wouldn't completely abandon the tent without their shoes and coats. Another weakness of that theory is the consistency of reports by witnesses and investigators, that the stove was unassembled and still in its case. ... but then, as often is the case in the publishing world.... never let simple things like the fact that 'the stove' was an obvious candidate from the early days of this exhausting-puzzle ... from the very first investigation carried out by the seriously qualified official-on-the-spot-sleuths this theory was comprehensively ruled out by the facts and a healthy dose of circumstantial common sense, which is a process that has been repeated periodically over these past 60+ years ... but as I say, don't let 'the facts and common sense' get in the way of those $-book-sales-$.
No Dejan, and I am not wishing to sound any more 'in-the-know' than anyone else on this matter, in fact my own personal theories [i'm stuck between 2] are just as flimsily backed-up as any of the other myriad to be found 'in blogs' ... but for me [at least] "the smoky-stove theory" is one of the weakest in this very real mystery mate.
... If you are serious about 'facts and theories' in this case, and not satisfied to be content with the 'solved by proclamation' blogs and statements that can be found all over the internet ... then I suggest that you do a little delving into the serious locations that can be found, such as for a start here... https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/ .. and here.. Mountain of the Dead ... :Thumbsup:

Cheers Buddy.
 
I'm reasonably sure the stove was not set up or used on that last night. This is another mystery that is safely buried under so much bullshit, no one will ever figure it out.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
A blog post uh? ... well that's it then , mystery solved!

Yeah, mystery solved, because that's Occam's razor. Blog or no blog, that guy offered the most reasonable hypothesis. The narrative with a broken stove is the simples one. All other solutions need much more complicated scenarios.

The problem with this theory is that they wouldn't need to go a mile down the hill to escape smoke in the tent.

Yes they would have. Investigation confirmed that tent was cut out from inside out. Once the tent was cut, it collapsed. And indeed, it was a middle of the night, with no chance of recovering their equipment. For that reason, they decided to walk to the nearest village. Barefoot and in pajamas they had no chance.

Another weakness of that theory is the consistency of reports by witnesses and investigators, that the stove was unassembled and still in its case

Now, that's a fog of war ( war of words ). If that's true then you are right. But as you said, publishers are avoiding facts that don't make sales. THE publisher I read never mentioned that :)
 

1963

Noble
Yeah, mystery solved, because that's Occam's razor. Blog or no blog, that guy offered the most reasonable hypothesis. The narrative with a broken stove is the simples one. All other solutions need much more complicated scenarios.



Yes they would have. Investigation confirmed that tent was cut out from inside out. Once the tent was cut, it collapsed. And indeed, it was a middle of the night, with no chance of recovering their equipment. For that reason, they decided to walk to the nearest village. Barefoot and in pajamas they had no chance.



Now, that's a fog of war ( war of words ). If that's true then you are right. But as you said, publishers are avoiding facts that don't make sales. THE publisher I read never mentioned that :)
So that's it then! ... you've made your mind up to believe the first 'theory' that sounds authoritative to you? ... and you are willing to join in forum conversations and decree that there is no mystery because you know all the facts. [without being willing to follow the links that I supplied you to 'the actual facts that disprove your 'facts'] ... Erm? ... I see b0066.
Well I guess that it would be a futile exercise to explain that Nobody Knows the facts! .. and that there are just theories to ruminate about just what really did cause the tragedy at height 1079 on that horrendously fatal night of February 2nd 1959. Unless of course Igor Povetkin's very-much more 'less simple' theory , formulated over a long time by means of dedicated arduous study into all of the actual known facts about the case combined with his own natural insight into the workings of the cold-war-era Soviet Policies.
I'll post a link here in case you might some day feel a little more like researching the validity of some random 'blog post' that you stumbled across, ... and then you might just find that 'things are rarely as simple as some declarative blog posters would have you believe'!
Dyatlov Pass - the latest version. A trap for the prosecutor.
... I n this theory [which as I said, there are many] Povetkin makes a good case for the whole thing being the result of the group being in the wrong place at the wrong time [so to speak] and ending up getting murdered by some psychotic members of the military, and then the whole thing staged as mystery in order to cover this evil act up by the military bigwigs of good old Mother-Russia. .... I've thrown a very similar scenario out myself on various sites over the years [for free] ... but Povetkin goes a lot further than I did by not only naming the 'cover-team', but also the weapon of choice for the heinous act .... A Snowmobile! .. no less! ... Which imho, is where his otherwise believable musings falter. [remember... imho] ..Because for one thing, there are quite a few distinct records of testimony that never mention any track-marks whatsoever! ... such as the marks of the 1950's one-ton-+ machines would inevitably left! ... unless of course all of the searchers as well as the investigators [of which there were very many] have been "comprehensively-shut-up" for these past 61 years, without even the slightest whisper getting out at all. :surprised:

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... And if you don't like that particular 'theory'... then don't worry, there's a heck of a lot more that I can point you to! ... But please remember that they are just 'theories' and not 'facts' mate. :tumbsup:

Cheers buddy.
 

1963

Noble
As I don't really believe that the tragedy in the Dyatlov case had anything to with UFO's. [though that is what originally brought me to the case many years ago] I thought that i'd post this musing here.. and it's that as my own personal suspicions about the culprit seem to be getting no closer to being furthered, ... I have recently being reconsidering old claims of 'nefarious ET activity' and trying to find any common links to other 'solely ufological cases' , and have surprised myself by finding a couple of decent links with the 1959 Russian mystery with the 1977 Brazilian top-case Colares Incident.
... Here are general links to both cases for anyone interested... Brazilian Island of Colares - UFO Encounters of 1977 The Dyatlov Pass Incident

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... and the two obvious links between the cases are The striking similarity of the Colares UFO pictures [taken by the military investigators] and the 18 years earlier pictures of the alleged UFO found on one of the deceased hikers camera role [I think that this was the last picture on the film].
... The Dyatlov pictures are regularly said to be probable film error, ... but nobody really knows, it's just speculation and the similarity [to my eyes at least] makes possible causational pretty much a viable concept.
... The other link being that even though all of the Dyatlov victims have variable degrees of physical injuries [some very severe] the coroner's final post mortem verdict was that no matter what had occurred beforehand, they all ultimately perished from 'Hyperthermia'. ... Which is understandable given the environment they were in! ... And that brings me to perhaps the most 'unusual aspect' of the doctors reports that examined some 35 of the Colares victims injuries doctor Wellaide Cecim Carvalho, the physician in charge of the health unit on Colares Island,] ... that even though we are talking about a subtropical region of Brazil, those victims too suffered from 'Hypothermia'! ...
She took blood samples, and concluded that the victims suffered from generalized hypertermia, superficial chronic headache, burnings, intense heat, nauseas, tremors in the body, giddiness, asthenia and presented very small orifices in the skin where they were hit by the rays.
... also there are the burn marks! .... In the Colares case, the victims sported burn marks from the 'lights' that were 'attacking them' and Some of the Dyatlov victims also had burn marks to either their skin, clothes or both, which were presumed at the time to have originated from the small ineffective fire that they had lit in a panic at the edge of the forest. [well perhaps...?] ... and lastly [for now anyway] there is that familiar spectre of 'Radiation' being detected in both lots of victims. .... The radiation aspect of the Dyatlov case is legendary and has been attempted to be debunked as being insignificant ... or not even true repeatedly by many armchair detectives ever since the case became famous, but has nevertheless been continuously confirmed as being present by means of official records. ... and likewise, the Colares victim reports are awash with reference to 'Radiation Burns'. such as ...
"All of them had suffered lesions to the face or the thoracic area." The lesions, looking like radiation injuries, "began with intense reddening of the skin in the affected area. Later the hair would fall out and the skin would turn black."
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Cheers.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Some interesting 'tidbits' (at least for me) that I came across today...

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The Molyobka Triangle, Russia

Without a doubt one of the truly strangest zones on the planet is located near the Ural Mountains in Russia – the site of the infamous Dyatlov Pass incident. The Perm Anomalous Zone is otherwise known as the Molyobka Triangle and is home to some of the most mysterious activity on record.

For example, there are bizarre and unheard-of reading of electromagnetic energy. Furthermore, watches are said to stop inside the zone, while strange sounds are often heard seemingly coming out of nowhere. What’s more, there are multiple reports of strange lights seen flying overhead.

As well as UFOs there are apparent sightings of Yetis in the region (something that again comes up in the Dyatlov Pass case).

The zone remains of intrigue to researchers, both into UFOs and general paranormal happenings. There are currently several projects in place in the area utilizing such technological equipment as infrared cameras, and magnetic field sensors.

The video below examines these incidents a little further.

 

nivek

As Above So Below
This is an allegedly true story from 1930, they all just disappeared...

 

1963

Noble
This is an allegedly true story from 1930, they all just disappeared...


Thanks for posting that Nivek :Thumbsup: ... I always love a good mystery, whether it be bona fide or just a good yarn. ... I have actually heard of this before along with a few more similar 'mass-disappearance stories' such as the similar "The Village of Hoer Verde Mystery"... Hoer Verde, the town with 600 inhabitants that vanished! – Strange Unexplained Mysteries (coolinterestingstuff.com) .. that after attempting to follow up on the story, turned out to be likely just a myth.
..I think that the 'Anjikuni' one that you presented may indeed be similarly mythical but does possess a little something extra in the fact that there was actual findable reference to the story by means of a November 1930 Emmett E. Kelleher article in 'The Danville Bee'... a fact that stuck in 'arch-debunker Brian Dunning's' craw when he was forced to admit that his 'comprehensive debunk' in an episode of 'Skeptoid' was in fact totally wrong because it relied on the erroneous fact that "the story was only around since Frank Edwards's 1959 book, and therefore pure fiction!"
... Yes it's certainly one of those old 'possible mysteries' that I love to read about, but the video that you posted doesn't seem to be bothered about too much accuracy and leans heavily on enhancement in my opinion mate. ... for a start, it has the dates completely wrong ... the actual date of this alleged event was November 1930, and not 1932 as stated, and the RCMP did not respond until January 1931 ...after the story had featured in the newspaper [The Danville Bee] rather than the "they responded within hours". ... also there is no mention of Sergeant J. Nelson, the responding investigator's report that was released to the public. ...
" Nelson reported that Joe Labelle, the informant, had taken out his first trapping license that season and questioned whether he had been in the territories previously as stated in the Kelleher article. Nelson continued, dating one of the photos used in the story to 1909 and stating that Kelleher was known for "colorful stories."
.. but then.. as I say, who knows but it's a real good yarn... let's get the Mystery Bus ready, and we'll put this one to bed my old mate! :Thumbsup:

Cheers Buddy.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
So no mystery there, and the video made it look interesting lol...I never heard about that before so it sounded like something legitimate when I watched the video earlier...I was going to look it up and read more this weekend...So much for that idea and I'm pretty picky when it comes to fictional reading...:laugh8:

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nivek

As Above So Below
Has the mystery of Dyatlov Pass finally been solved? Horrific deaths of nine students during Siberian ski trip in 1959 once blamed on 'aliens and yetis' were caused by an AVALANCHE, new computer analysis claims

An avalanche caused the horrific deaths of nine students during a Siberian ski trip in 1959 - not aliens and yetis as some once believed, a new study claims. The discovery of the experienced hikers' half-naked and mutilated bodies over 60 years ago in the Ural Mountains fuelled bizarre conspiracy theories, from the paranormal to secret weapons testing.

Scientists from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) created computer models to prove their theory that an unusual type of delayed avalanche was behind the deaths at the heart of the 'mystery of Dyatlov Pass'. The team say the avalanche may have been caused by a cut in the snow made by the group as they set up camp. They had flattened a small section of the surface to form a 'shoulder' or ridge in the slope - believing it would shield them from the worst of the fierce winds.

A combination of other factors - including the unusual terrain and strong, icy winds - later triggered the 'slab avalanche' that apparently chased the team out of their tent and left them to freeze to death in -13F (-25C) temperatures.

A slab avalanche occurs when a weak layer lies lower down in a snowpack. When it breaks off, the compressed snow on top is also pulled along the slope.

Professor Alexander Puzrin, of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL), Zurich, and corresponding author of the study, said the cut, combined with unusual terrain and a rare weather event called katabatic winds was enough to trigger the avalanche. Katabatic winds carry air down a slope under the force of gravity, transporting snow in the process.

Professor Puzrin said: 'The katabatic wind probably drifted the snow and allowed an extra load to build up slowly. At a certain point, a crack could have formed and propagated, causing the snow slab to release.'

Co-author Dr Johan Gaume, head of EPFL's Snow and Avalanche Simulation Laboratory, said: 'We use data on snow friction and local topography to prove a small slab avalanche could occur on a gentle slope, leaving few traces behind.'

The researchers hope the findings, published in British journal Communications Earth & Environment, could help avert avalanche disasters in the future.

(More on the link)



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1963

Noble
Has the mystery of Dyatlov Pass finally been solved? Horrific deaths of nine students during Siberian ski trip in 1959 once blamed on 'aliens and yetis' were caused by an AVALANCHE, new computer analysis claims

An avalanche caused the horrific deaths of nine students during a Siberian ski trip in 1959 - not aliens and yetis as some once believed, a new study claims. The discovery of the experienced hikers' half-naked and mutilated bodies over 60 years ago in the Ural Mountains fuelled bizarre conspiracy theories, from the paranormal to secret weapons testing.

Scientists from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) created computer models to prove their theory that an unusual type of delayed avalanche was behind the deaths at the heart of the 'mystery of Dyatlov Pass'. The team say the avalanche may have been caused by a cut in the snow made by the group as they set up camp. They had flattened a small section of the surface to form a 'shoulder' or ridge in the slope - believing it would shield them from the worst of the fierce winds.

A combination of other factors - including the unusual terrain and strong, icy winds - later triggered the 'slab avalanche' that apparently chased the team out of their tent and left them to freeze to death in -13F (-25C) temperatures.

A slab avalanche occurs when a weak layer lies lower down in a snowpack. When it breaks off, the compressed snow on top is also pulled along the slope.

Professor Alexander Puzrin, of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL), Zurich, and corresponding author of the study, said the cut, combined with unusual terrain and a rare weather event called katabatic winds was enough to trigger the avalanche. Katabatic winds carry air down a slope under the force of gravity, transporting snow in the process.

Professor Puzrin said: 'The katabatic wind probably drifted the snow and allowed an extra load to build up slowly. At a certain point, a crack could have formed and propagated, causing the snow slab to release.'

Co-author Dr Johan Gaume, head of EPFL's Snow and Avalanche Simulation Laboratory, said: 'We use data on snow friction and local topography to prove a small slab avalanche could occur on a gentle slope, leaving few traces behind.'

The researchers hope the findings, published in British journal Communications Earth & Environment, could help avert avalanche disasters in the future.

(More on the link)



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Yep, i've seen this all over the internet for the last few days Nivek, [it's that time of year] thanks for posting it here mate :Thumbsup: .. there's also this video doing the rounds ...
... and in my humble opinion, though I would never definitively rule 'any' explanation out, personally I don't see anything in that scientific paper or the video that changes my mind about the many-times mooted avalanche theory .... which of course tends to be most peoples initial suspicion when first hearing about the incident. .. Well it certainly was mine, until I considered all of the opposing evidence. The scientific paper is very technical and the video is very basic but neither can explain for certain that an Avalanche occurred at the Tent site. They conveniently overlook the fact that the Tent was not damaged or moved. [surely a 'slab-avalanche' would have ripped through the tent, and also ragged out the tent pegs and shoved the whole kaboodle down the mountainside? Also the Footprints that have been extensively been studied and quoted to show that the group left the tent and steadily marched down to the forest in a "calm and orderly manner" does not suggest an Avalanche-panic-escape... And then of course we move on to the other Events down at the Forest a mile away. People with serious head and body injuries like some of the Dyatlov Group suffered do not walk a mile... specially half naked and barefooted.
... also not taken into consideration [but i'm not forgetting ] The Statement from Maslennikov's diary that he read out for the City Investigator of the Prosecutor's Office about the tent before the search team started digging:
"The snow was not much, only drifted by the blizzards in the period of February." .. This statement for me is better than every attempt at solving a 62 year old mystery with guesswork... no matter how much you use the term "scientifically explained".

...Also, this very theory is not as new as the proposer would have you believe... it's been suggested numerous times over the many decades [without as much herald] but always come up short of matching 'all of the evidence'... just a couple of years ago, the Russian authorities were pressured into clearing their names [or rather the military's possible involvement] .. and shilly-shallied a while and then set about their usual 'special investigation mode' and eventually came up with the "Don't really know, but Avalanche seamed the best bet" response... which garnered much criticism from the UFO camp, the Mad-Yeti camp, the Military accident camp etc.. and also had opposition from 'mountain avalanche experts' such as Dominov ...
Dominov ... Look, I learned skiing in the Swiss Mountains at the age of six. Although the Dead Mountain has very few steeper parts we would call it a hill for idiots (beginners). The slope of the Dead Mountain is not a killer, nor is it a place where avalanches typically occur, although I found traces of snow slides on the eastern slope. But well... that depends. Weather, season, sun, quality of snow, inclination, wind, temperature, orientation toward the sun are some of the factors. Snow slides are possible there, but unlikely, especially on the north-eastern side. But... The sound of an explosion can cause snow slabs/planks/slides. That's how we trigger them here artificially in order to minimize the risk for our appreciated tourists. In the morning in the Alps you often hear explosion bangs. Sounds scary.
Would we hear a snow slide in the extreme winter conditions of 1959? I doubt it. No, we wouldn't.
... who goes on to elaborate
First we need to locate the approximate area where the group pitched their tent. As a reference I use a picture taken by the first search team.


Ok, that's not bad. It seems that the real location was a little further down and further north. So far so good.

Now let's look for danger zones behind the tent where avalanches could start. These are slopes with inclinations higher than 25%. And yes there is a candidate!



The area in dark magenta is a slope with an average inclination of 26%. There are small areas with inclinations up to 40%. Conclusion: There is a risk that an avalanche could occur there. But does it overlap with the location of the tent? Let's see.



Yes. The potential location of the tent slightly overlaps with our avalanche zone. So did we prove that the tent was hit by an avalanche? No. We also see that the north-eastern corner of the Dead Mountain is a windy area (cyan). The patterns in the snow tell us that winds flow over this slope most of the time. This means that snow is carried away most of the time. But avalanches only occur if the amount of snow becomes critical. It's unlikely that a critical mass of snow can be accumulated in this «danger zone». We shouldn't forget neither that it was cold winter when the incident occurred. It was cold, windy and it was snowing. Cold snow and wind also lower the likelihood of avalanches. Ok, so we are down to, let's say, a likelihood of 20%. Considering the fact that the tent area most likely didn't overlap with the avalanche danger zone we are down to a likelihood of 10%.
Also considering that the first search team didn't report any signs of an avalanche we are down to 2%. And after having a look at the tent whose entrance was still standing we go down to 1%. The first thing to fall would be the entrance of the tent (on the side of the avalanche zone). Ok, 1%. And yes... is the group's behaviour consistent with an avalanche incident? No. Likelihood down to 0.1% which is still more likely than an alien threat but as likely as the MENK!!!!
Conclusion: Avalanche - Never. The new investigation is a waste of time.
regards
Dominov

... Not only this, but if this new version of the Avalanche "Theory" is to be believed at all, then why haven't we heard any explanation of just why none of the original [on-site] experienced searchers and investigators thought that there had been any kind of 'Avalanche' at the site of the incident? ... is it because they didn't use the term 'scientifically proven'? ... or could it be that they weren't in the business of promoting their new upcoming 'documentary/film/radio-appearance's' etc..?
... I could go on, but I think you get my drift on this thing my old mate. :Thumbsup: ... it's not that I absolutely rule out the avalanche explanation, but there are many tripping points that make me hold this 'explanation' pretty low down the list, ... the truth is that just like everyone else [possibly] I do not know what happened? ... but am not willing to accept anyone's presumptions when they do not fill in all of the blanks and skim over any 'known facts' that do not fit!
There has to my knowledge been at least three 'consummately-presented definitive explanations' for this timeless-mystery, all pointing in different directions over the last twelve months of so ... and as far as i'm concerned all of them are critically flawed, ... and as far as i'm concerned, unless it does after-all have a military explanation to this, and the proof is still on-file , but still with-held deep in the dark annals of the Kremlin vaults ... then we'll never really know what happened to that group of poor students in 1959. .... but speculating about it will always be of interest to nosey-folk like me.

Cheers Buddy
 

nivek

As Above So Below
considering that the first search team didn't report any signs of an avalanche we are down to 2%. And after having a look at the tent whose entrance was still standing we go down to 1%. The first thing to fall would be the entrance of the tent (on the side of the avalanche zone). Ok, 1%. And yes... is the group's behaviour consistent with an avalanche incident? No.

Hello 1963, really great post and covers the claims of the article I posted very well...These two points I highlighted in bold really stick out in my mind and they are important to note...If there was an avalanche the search groups would have noticed this, it would have been obvious to them in my opinion...Then the group's behaviour is anything but consistent with an avalanche, they weren't reacting to one at all in my opine...So why do we continue to see reports come out trying to explain away this event in some other than obvious explanations unless maybe there was a concerted effort of a cover-up?...I don't know but these types of reports certainly do add to the mystery, even if in small ways lol...

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1963

Noble
Hello 1963, really great post and covers the claims of the article I posted very well...These two points I highlighted in bold really stick out in my mind and they are important to note...If there was an avalanche the search groups would have noticed this, it would have been obvious to them in my opinion...Then the group's behaviour is anything but consistent with an avalanche, they weren't reacting to one at all in my opine...So why do we continue to see reports come out trying to explain away this event in some other than obvious explanations unless maybe there was a concerted effort of a cover-up?...I don't know but these types of reports certainly do add to the mystery, even if in small ways lol...

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Yes! .. I see that we are in total agreement on this latest "closure-explanation" my friend. :Thumbsup: ... the two points that you highlighted are indeed enough to debunk the avalanche theory [or hypothesis as I noticed the guy kept referring his thoughts as, in an attempt to sound more convincingly-studious] and as you know, it is not even a 'new theory', there's been many avalanche guestimates right from the beginning .... and for me personally, if 'avalanche' was anything to do with the incident whatsoever, then it would have to be 'the fear of an avalanche'. ie.. they misconstrued the distant rumbling sound of something in the mountains for an impending onslaught of snow and ice. .. hence hastily exiting the tent and trying to reach some kind of cover.
But even with that scenario there is many tripping points, not least that ... you would have expected that when the calamity did not happen, that they would have returned to the comparative safety of their warm tent beds. ... OK, it was very cold and three of the students had somehow appropriated lethal body injuries, but then, who knows when they got them?, and out of the party of nine young healthy students that were in the peak of outdoors-pursuit-ice-trekking , you would have thought that at least 'some' [if not all] would have made it back instead of staying away from their in-tact tent for so long, fannying about shoeless and half naked climbing trees for branches to make a camp fire in the Siberian arctic tundra.
... But this latest theory [hypothesis] goes even further away from the known facts, and actually states that the devastating injuries to the three worst sufferers were the result of being battered by solid ice as they slept in their tent-beds, during this 'slab-avalanche; that slid down the hill with such devastating impact as to smash flesh and evenly crush all of the chest bones in two victims [on both sides of the body at once... what position were they sleeping?] ... smash the skulls of two more with great force [were they sleeping crosswise?] ... all of this with the force of "being smashed into at speed by a ten tonne truck" [as was stated by the original coroner] .. but not managing to move the tent, or even dislodge/knockoff the torch that the search-expedition guys reported was hanging on the tent when they found it! ... i'll finish this here by asking the question that I forgot to mention in my last post... and that is that when I first heard the 'new theory' [hypothesis] that the students had been fatally battered inside the tent.. then "where did the blood go?" ... just look at the injury-reports from the coroners reports and photographs... they don't make for pleasant reading or viewing... but once you do have a gander then it's abundantly clear that there will have been "blood" , and a fair amount of it too! ... So where is it?... where did it go?... there should have been plenty of it strewn inside the tent when it was located by the rescue/search party ... inside the tent and leading away from it. ... and yet there was never any report in which 'blood in the tent' was mentioned. :Unsure:

Cheers Buddy.
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
The more I read about the Dyatlov Pass Incident, the stronger my conviction grows that it was a government military maneuver gone awry. Nothing which occurred is consistent with an avalanche. Government embarrassment over a theoretical disastrous parachute mine exercise at the height of cold war paranoia seems much more plausible. Like Roswell, government officials seem obliged to periodically trot out these new explanations.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Here's an interesting but short-lived development, they thought more people went missing at Dyatlov Pass in a similar fashion, glad everyone was okay...

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Tour Group Visiting Dyatlov Pass Sparks Panic After Going Missing for Hours

A well-intentioned journey to Russia's Dyatlov Pass honoring the hikers who perished at the site inadvertently sparked a small panic this week when the group of tourists taking part in the excursion went missing for hours and conjured concerns that the infamous incident had somehow happened again. The strange case began on Wednesday morning when Russian media reported that eight people had traveled to the remote location specifically to pay tribute to the victims of the mysterious 1959 event and had subsequently lost communication with relatives back in Moscow. Worries about the group were compounded when they failed to return from Dyatlov Pass at the time that they were expected and had missed their scheduled train.

These circumstances understandably alarmed both their family members as well as the authorities and, as one might imagine, drew comparisons to the case which had brought them to Dyatlov Pass in the first place. Fortunately, the matter was resolved fairly quickly and had a much less tragic ending than what occurred in 1959 as it was later determined that the group, which actually consisted of six hikers and three guides, had successfully departed the site and managed to make their way back to a nearby airport unnoticed and unscathed, albeit approximately 12 hours after their trip was supposed to have ended.

As for why their journey went awry, one of the tourists recalled that "many negative factors developed in one day." Specifically, Andrey Boyko cited unpredictable weather combined with a lack of a clear path to the site through the snow and ice. Ultimately, he said, the group wound up stuck on a frozen lake, which made them "half a day late." Their lack of communication with relatives back home was because their portable satellite dish used to contact the outside world had broken. "That is why they lost us," he explained, acknowledging that this "sparked a little panic" back home.

While the group managed to avoid becoming an unwitting sequel to the mysterious Dyatlov Pass incident, they may not be out of the figurative woods just yet. That's because their party was not registered with authorities in Russia, which is actually a violation of federal law in the country as the government is to be informed at least ten days prior to such trips. So while the tourists may not have met their untimely demise, they just might wind up facing some kind of legal repercussions, especially considering the commotion that they accidentally caused by disappearing for half a day.


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nivek

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Here's an interesting older disappearance mystery out of Australia I had not heard of before...So what happened to these men, it did occur in the 1800s so did wild animals get them or was it something more sinister?...

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The Bermagui Mystery and Five Vanished Men

On October 8, 1880, a group of five men headed out on their small boat from Bermagui, in New South Wales, Australia. Aboard the boat was an assistant geological surveyor for the New South Wales Mines Department by the name of Lamont Young, his assistant Maximillian Schneider, the boat’s owner Thomas Towers, and two of Towers’ friends, named William Lloyd and Daniel Casey. The purpose of their excursion was to head along the coast north of Bermagui to scout out new goldmines there, but this was an expedition from which none of these men would return, leaving a perplexing mystery that has never been solved.

Three days later, on October 10, the boat was spotted sitting stationary out on the water with only one person in it, but this is the last time anyone would officially see any of the crew. Later that same afternoon, at around 4:30 PM, a local farmer by the name of William Johnston was riding his horse along the shore of Mutton Fish Point, about 15 kilometers from Bermagui, when he noticed something odd out on the rocks. He could not quite make out what it was, but could see that there was something metallic glinting in the sunlight, and it was curious enough that he got off his horse and went out to investigate. As he drew closer, he could see that the object was actually a fishing boat with its sails lashed and apparently wrecked there. A quick survey of the vessel showed that no one was there, and so Johnston decided to ride off to find someone to tell about this strange discovery.

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Johnston would ride to the home of another farmer named farmer Albert Read, with who he would return to the abandoned vessel along to have a look. They found aboard it five bags full of clothing, a pocket compass, several sacks of potatoes, a pipe, and papers with Lamont Young’s name on them, and so goldfields warden Henry Keightley was contacted, who arrived on the scene with Senior Constable John Berry. They soon found that it seemed as if someone had put holes in the hull of the ship from the inside, and that the stern had been filled with heavy rocks, seeming to indicate that the boat had been intentionally damaged, and the anchor and stern ropes were missing, but since everything on the boat was dry, the boat had obviously gotten through it and not been swamped. The stern was also oddly stuffed with pillows, blankets, and clothing for reasons unknown, and there was a good amount of vomit found there and on the side of the boat. A bullet was found on the boat, but it was thought that this had likely been used as a fishing weight, and there was also found a mysterious blue bottle of liquid, which turned out to be copaiba oil used as a balm. Nearby on the beach were found the remains of a campfire and meal, as well as some food and three shirt studs, but other than this and what was found on the boat there was nothing else to go on. What had happened to the five men who had been aboard? No one had a clue. There was no sign of a struggle, no blood found anywhere, and it was all rather baffling.

Several extensive searches were carried out and a generous reward was offered for any more information, but these turned up no further evidence of what had happened to the missing men. In the meantime, the story was becoming major news across the British Empire, and the bay where the boat was found was starting to be called Mystery Bay, a name it keeps to this day. Lots of theories were flying around at the time. One was that the men had abandoned their boat due to some threat, but if that was the case it seemed unlikely that the vessel could have drifted unmanned through the many rocks of the area to end up where it had been found. Another idea or that they had been victims of foul play, but there was no evidence to point to this. In the absence of any evidence, some wild claims and leads began coming in, which mostly led to nothing, and the media wasn’t helping with their sensationalist and often flat out made up coverage of the case. For instance, there was a news article that appeared in an August 1888 issue of the Bega Gazette, in which it was written:

Though the police authorities have kept the matter a secret, it has transpired that during the past two months the police have had under surveillance a person suspected of complicity in the Bermagui murder, but that he has escaped their clutches. It appears that some time ago a man who is said to have lived with a woman near the scene of the alleged murder, came to Sydney and married a barmaid employed in one of the leading hotels. Shortly after their marriage, he gave way to drink and on several occasions uttered remarks which led his wife to believe he was concerned in the murder of Lamont Young and his companions. The detective police got wind of the affair and kept the suspect person under surveillance for several days. All at once, however he disappeared. The barmaid has since returned to her situation in the hotel from which she was married and expresses herself as willing to aid the authorities in bringing the supposed murderer to the police.
It would later turn out that there was no barmaid and no drunken husband who had confessed to the murder. It was all a bogus report. Another piece of fake news at the time was a report in the newspaper the Melbourne Argus that claimed that Young’s bloodstained coat had been found, but this turned out to also be false. Another weird lead was when a man named William Tait claimed that he had been visited by Young’s ghost, who had told him that he had been murdered and dumped in a deep hole near a black stump 50 metres above the high water mark, after which they had covered it all with boulders. The police, desperate for anything to go on whatsoever, shrugged their shoulders and checked it out anyway, but found no stump, no boulders, and no bodies. In fact, nothing has been found to this day, and what has come to be known as the “Bermagui Mystery” has become one of the most persistent unsolved mysteries in Australia, discussed, debated, and pursued by amateur sleuths to this day.

What happened to those five men and what do all the clues mean? No one really knows, and it remains one of Australia’s most mysterious vanishing cases.


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nivek

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This was entertaining to watch...

 
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