Reincarnation

1963

Noble
When my wife’s parents died, the immediate family had to clean out their house in order to put it up for sale. This was a smaller house and we filled two dumpsters full of crap saved up for nearly fifty years. Almost all of it was junk.
Yep! joined the thread late, but couldn't help posting that in my humble opinion, that this is one of the most under-rated aspects of the stress caused when losing a loved one.
No matter how grown-up and practical you would like to appear, the inner-stress that you go through when you have to dispose of your loved one's beloved 'crap' … belongings that were as precious as diamonds to them for so long , but deemed to be worthless detritus to everyone else! … I admit that it is truly heart-wrenching and still have many worthless treasures of my mother's and also from my father in a spare bedroom of my home from 31 and 6 years ago respectively.

Cheers Buddy.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I have one of those singer pedal pumpers and a 1945 singer with a small ac motor on it...Whist on the subject I also have 2 newer brother sewing machines and a serger machine...Yes I know how to sew and do so sometimes lol...

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My grandmother had a similar post-War electric Singer complete with all the original accessories. I learned how to sew (badly) as a kid on that thing. I was really obese as a kid and somebody had to figure out how to hem pants, replace blown out zippers etc. I have occasionally thought about getting a modern portable.

When we were taking care of my aunt I could've just taken it but decided to just leave it alone. Didn't need more dead relative's stuff and I figured I'd let my two idiot cousins get into a fight over it.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
When my wife’s parents died, the immediate family had to clean out their house in order to put it up for sale. This was a smaller house and we filled two dumpsters full of crap saved up for nearly fifty years. Almost all of it was junk.

One should be careful.
I several time almost threw out what I considered as mouse nesting garbage only to find (after an urge) that valuable photos, jewelry or papers were in the mess. Often times have been missed by the mouse.
One customer at one of my recent 'garage sales' told me of her grandmother that kept her money hidden in the pages of books. After the family helped finger through all her books they recovered over $4000.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I am a Christian and I am looking to learn more about Reincarnation. My list of unalterable beliefs is short and sweet, and I am totally open to (and hoping for) the reality of Reincarnation. Ive started reading Reincarnation in Christianity: A New Vision of the Role of Rebirth in Christian Thought by Episcopal priest and USC emeritus professor Geddes MacGregor. Hopefully, this book will give me reasons to believe in Reincarnation, and allow me to look forward to this possibility.

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The shadow

The shadow knows!
From my daughter Kate's FB:
When the bell rings
From my ashes I will be reborn
In possession of immortality
I promised that I will come back
From the darkness I will rise
And inevitable I will become
Free of myself I will live again
I will come back to you
Ready to take back the sword
Their war I will make
Winner I will finish it
Even though it takes me years
'Cause my last word hasn't been spoken
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
A topic much on my mind as of late. I look at this as brain-as-a-receiver and that maybe the source of consciousness isn't impossibly distant rather right here with us all the time in some form. A lot of weird heavy thoughts mixed in here. You spend your entire life gaining experience it seems a shame to just have it all for naught. Like spending 85 years preparing dinner in the oven and then throwing it away when its done. The Game's the Thing I suppose.

Right now I very much feel the passage of time. To go full blown Trek Time to me does feel more like a predator stalking than a companion to journey with. It's probably neither, more akin to the moving slidewalks at the airport, just there doing their thing regardless. This song's been in my head and refuses go away. The Offspring Can't Repeat.

I woke the other day and saw my world has changed
The past is over but tomorrow's wishful thinking
I can't hold onto what's been done (woah)
I can't grab onto what's to come (woah)
And I'm just wishing I could stop, but
Life goes on, come of age
Can't hold on, turn the page
Time rolls on, wipe these eyes
Yesterday laughs, tomorrow cries
Memories are bittersweet, the good times we can't repeat
Those days are gone and we can never get them back
Now we must move ahead despite our fear and dread (woah, woah)
We're all just wishing we could stop, but
Life goes on, come of age
Can't hold on, turn the page
Time rolls on, wipe your eyes
Yesterday laughs, tomorrow cries
With all our joys and fears wrapped in forgotten years
The past is laughing as today just slips away
Time tears down what we've made (woah)
And sets another stage (woah)
And I'm just wishing we could stop
Life goes on, come of age
Can't hold on, turn the page
Time rolls on, wipe this eyes
Yesterday laughs, tomorrow cries
Time rolls on
 
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SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
I was talking about evil and hate with a good friend of mine a few weeks ago. He believes hate as we know it really doesn't exist. Hate is just a misplaced symptom of fear. As our higher consciousness evolves, we gradually begin to see through the veil and understand that most people truly are good but they hide behind their hatred and anger as a defense mechanism.
Extreme emotions are not good no matter what they are.
I am a victim of it at times. I have short fuse when it comes to things falling or not going right.
These will probably not effect reincarnation plus or minus.
The lesson in life may be to learn control or perhaps to experience the extreme.

Experience is the mother of all wisdom.
 

Toroid

Founding Member
Extreme emotions are not good no matter what they are.
I am a victim of it at times. I have short fuse when it comes to things falling or not going right.
These will probably not effect reincarnation plus or minus.
The lesson in life may be to learn control or perhaps to experience the extreme.

Experience is the mother of all wisdom.
The motivational speaker Tony Robbins said "Repetition is the mother of skill."
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
There is a really good documentary on Netflix about death that I just finished binge watching. Surviving Death (TV Series 2021– ) - IMDb It touches on a lot of related topics like near death experiences, reincarnation, and different ideas about the afterlife. I especially enjoyed the first ep, which interviewed people in northern Japan who claimed to have encountered lost spirits immediately after the tsunami hit. Something like 18,000 people were killed in a matter of hours and entire villages were wiped out. I strongly recommend this show.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Extreme emotions are not good no matter what they are.
I am a victim of it at times. I have short fuse when it comes to things falling or not going right.
These will probably not effect reincarnation plus or minus.
The lesson in life may be to learn control or perhaps to experience the extreme.

Experience is the mother of all wisdom.

I admit to being quick to anger and have paid for it. In terms of reincarnation it's once of those facets I probably have for a reason, I just don't know what the hell that is.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
There is a really good documentary on Netflix about death that I just finished binge watching. Surviving Death (TV Series 2021– ) - IMDb It touches on a lot of related topics like near death experiences, reincarnation, and different ideas about the afterlife. I especially enjoyed the first ep, which interviewed people in northern Japan who claimed to have encountered lost spirits immediately after the tsunami hit. Something like 18,000 people were killed in a matter of hours and entire villages were wiped out. I strongly recommend this show.

It was good. There was that little twist in there with Leslie Kean and the physical mediums that really got my attention. Somebody please tell me how those two little kids have such detailed memories of past lives.
 

karl 12

Noble
Have to say this is a pretty amazing book on the subject - there's a free copy below and some pretty mindblowing accounts from places like India, Lebanon, Brazil etc..


• 'Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation' by Ian Stevenson:

PDF FILE

Cheers.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Have to say this is a pretty amazing book on the subject - there's a free copy below and some pretty mindblowing accounts from places like India, Lebanon, Brazil etc..


• 'Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation' by Ian Stevenson:

PDF FILE

Cheers.

Thanks. The UVA Division of Perceptual Studies has a lot of interesting things like this on their website - takes a little drilling to get to it
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Other cultures accept the concept of reincarnation more readily than we do in the West. Some of those accounts in India were of children who bore physical marks or scars related to previous lives. Several had detailed memories and visited former family members. Hard to get my head around that - seems foreign and distant. Weird things always happen in foreign and distant places, so say the supermarket rags.

A case like James Leininger hits much closer to home though, doesn't it? It says exactly the same thing in a fashion we can more readily accept. Not so distant or foreign anymore.

I do wonder about things like that. In a Divine system fragmentary memories of past life would have to be by Design. There must be some Higher Purpose in this happening and our knowing about it. In any other kind of system that involves human beings in vast numbers there will be statistical errors of some kind. If reincarnation turned out to be the latter - part of a vast natural process we don't quite grasp - it makes me wonder about room for error. What's in that room? Ghosts? In a big system like that, statistically speaking, don't some poor souls go wonky and get stuck in the pipe?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Reincarnation is usually discussed in context of the scenario of souls incarnating physical bodies on this physical plane of existence as a learning or proving grounds, to learn and grow and mature...There are other possibilities that have been considered too and have been mentioned before, an interesting prospect is one of this realm being a crossroads, a passage that is filled with challenge, wonder and dangers, yet a bridge that must be crossed at some point in our existence...

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Im kinda mixed on the whole afterlife thing. Im in a position that its unknown and better left that way. The concept of soul is also an odd one. Where does it come from, are souls born out of something? Can they cease? Do animals also have souls?

Concerning the Surviving Death show, theres some compelling data there sure that can be considered. But then theres also some mediums, and alot of times it can be shown that mediums are showmen and frauds, they put on a show. Some of the worst kind too, as they take advantage of peoples grief and hopes and make it a business. They can be good at it, but it doesnt mean theyre really communicating with the dead. So far im not aware of any person thats been able to do it under rigorous testing conditions.

I think that Leslie got scammed by some of the mediums and she bought it, unfortunately. Thats why her book on the subject is so mixed.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Reincarnation is usually discussed in context of the scenario of souls incarnating physical bodies on this physical plane of existence as a learning or proving grounds, to learn and grow and mature...There are other possibilities that have been considered too and have been mentioned before, an interesting prospect is one of this realm being a crossroads, a passage that is filled with challenge, wonder and dangers, yet a bridge that must be crossed at some point in our existence...

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hard enough for me to get my head around entry level reincarnation :)
 

1963

Noble
Hi guys, late to the party again lol, firstly I would like to state that I am by no means any kind of 'expert' on this branch of the unexplained, and though I have recognised it's gravitas as pertaining to 'the meaning of life' from way-back in my history, I have chosen to dedicate my meagre 'life-studying-time' to other aspects of the 'extraordinary' [i.e. the ETH], but that is not to say that this intriguing aspect of the paranormal world has totally passed me by. I have read several books, many articles and watched my share of T.V shows featuring a goodly array of these tales of 'reincarnation', and found some of them to be pretty compelling.
And as I see it, as in most 'paranormal claims' , whichever field Scientists ask for data to be both consistent and reproducible. So in order for science to accept accounts of reincarnation or life after death, they would have to be able to verify those results - and their doctrine is that it would have to be consistent and reproducible under laboratory conditions. [which anyone knows is not always practicable] In terms of reincarnation, proponents would have to be able to forensically verify the details of the previous life, with corroborated evidence from people who knew that person, or could demonstrate that the child or new individual would be able to verify specific details that no one else could know. [which is entirely antithetical as there by definition must be someone or something to corroborate the proposed information] . In terms of life after death, it would be required to have the person “who is still in existence” to be able verify details about their lifetime, or be able to offer “new information” from that perspective that is verifiable or forensically accurate.
I am not what you would call 'a big fan' of regressive hypnosis as I have previously stated in conjunction with 'Alien-Abduction cases' because of my belief that there is too much wiggle-room for autosuggestion, false-interpretation and suggestibility, and similarly Science does not consider things valid if there’s a possibility of bias (particularly hypnosis) or that the results are not consistent and reproducible. That being said - if the results were consistent and reproducible, then those results would surely be identified as being data If the reincarnation cases had verifiable information that could only be known to the subject and not to the mesmerist. .. Even so, I see the potential for collaboration between the two parties given the possible monetary and prestigious-celebrity rewards.
However, all that said... I am [as some of you may already know] not what you might exactly label "a scientifically-proven sort of guy', inasmuch as I believe that I am more practical and honest than that! … If this sounds inflammatory and unsophisticated , then so-be-it! … For me, science is and always has been a great tool that mankind has been trying to perfect throughout history, as far back as any of the ancients that you might like to mention, and all the way through to the present day. It has been an invaluable tool and it's various discipline's have been utilised to make many great forward-moving advances in humanities progression . All great stuff!, but just as the practicality of science has been used to aid the discardment of religion and the need for god, then in that same vein of practicality science itself should not be substituted in that position of omniscience when being interpreted by entities that posses a very limited, flawed and biased understanding of the whole creation on both a cosmic and local scale. In other words I believe that sometimes we don't have to fully understand just why, how and where things are, for our common sense to know that it just is!... And though i'm not quite prepared to exclaim that "for sure, reincarnation is real", I will say that "I just don't know how abundant it might be... but I am presently of a mind that it is a reality and some cases I have seen are proof enough for me!" no matter the scientific stance.

Cheers.
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
I think you're highlighting a common impasse that we often run into in these discussions, 1963. I believe it's really not about belief; it's not even about the age-old science vs faith argument. It's a question of approach. I, being a less scientific type of person, love hearing stories about reincarnation and the like. This doesn't mean I necessarily believe such accounts to be empirically true and reliable.

Nivek, for instance, has spoken numerous times about his experiences with shadow people. I also have a friend who has described seeing what he refers to as "shadow fish". I have no experience with this phenomenon and limited knowledge about the subject but I find the stories fascinating, nevertheless.

At the same time, while I'm often willing to consider these topics, I don't personally identify with the new age folks who sometimes seem too willing to jump on to almost any bandwagon that seems appealing. Lindal Moulton Howe comes to mind here. I agree with your feelings about her. She is a fascinating investigator and interviewer who yarns about astonishing things yet I understand what you mean when you say she can come across as naive and unsophisticated in her approach to topics.
 
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