What Will The Afterlife Be Like?

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Don't want to peer through the telescope, eh?

Does AI love their kids? Didn't think so.

You love your kids only because your DNA programmed itself that you love your kids. You don't really have any choice about that.

As easily your DNA could had programmed itself to eat one's own children. I'm pretty sure that there are organisms in Nature that do just that.

As for peering through telescope, that's just basic territorial instinct software. We want to conquer new territory and bring our offspring there.

Next question ...
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
You love your kids only because your DNA programmed itself that you love your kids. You don't really have any choice about that.

As easily your DNA could had programmed itself to eat one's own children. I'm pretty sure that there are organisms in Nature that do just that.

As for peering through telescope, that's just basic territorial instinct software. We want to conquer new territory and bring our offspring there.

Next question ...

Sounds like you got it all figured out. Tell your kids that.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Sounds like you got it all figured out. Tell your kids that.

OK, OK.

That's what happens when one peers through telescope too much.

Kids should find that out for themselves after they grow up.

In reality there is very little overlap between the rational and emotional intelligence. Maybe that's why our brains are split into two halves.

IMHO I think that there is too little reality check in society and that emotional intelligence gets both overused and abused too much, Most of the time from shear laziness.

In the WWII Winston Churchill had to let Germans to bomb Coventry, although British had deciphered German messages and new that bombers were on the way. British sacrificed people of Coventry to keep the secret of cracking Enigma's code for better day. That's classic conflict of the rational and emotional decisions we all have to make.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
When I say we have certain behaviors ingrained into us for a purpose it might be Evolution at work - how we treat others allows us to function in cooperative groups that ultimately survive. Realistically it's probably biological tendencies that ultimately involve sociology. So the wiring might predispose us a certain way but our own behavior does the rest. A first century Roman would have very, very different views of their children than we do now and we would probably be horrified.

Contemporary thinking always seems to scoff at discovery. Those outside the groove are often ridiculed - sometimes with good reason - sometimes not. Very often there are those who are well aware of something without the scientific analysis who have to wait for empirical science to quantify it. Gorillas might be a simple example of that. There would be more people dead from smallpox had observation and practice stopped to wait for the scientific community to catch up.

Just saying that dismissing something outright isn't science or empirical analysis it's opinion and knee jerk debunking. The studies of children who remember past lives has been conducted in a clinical fashion for decades and has been - and continues to be - quantified in a database being studied by various professionals around the world. Consensus is that yup, there may well be something to it and it is worth further study. You would be pleased to know that there may well be a connection to the very math you seek. So what about people like Dr. Jim Tucker ? Delusional ?

There is a subsect of the paranormal community, generally related to UFOs, that loves physics and heavy math. Not dismissing it, but it's not for everyone and it indulges a hobby. Like having a complicated piece of test gear that gets you so enthralled in how nifty is is you focus more on that than the thing you're actually supposed to be testing.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
When I say we have certain behaviors ingrained into us for a purpose it might be Evolution at work - how we treat others allows us to function in cooperative groups that ultimately survive. Realistically it's probably biological tendencies that ultimately involve sociology. So the wiring might predispose us a certain way but our own behavior does the rest. A first century Roman would have very, very different views of their children than we do now and we would probably be horrified.

Contemporary thinking always seems to scoff at discovery. Those outside the groove are often ridiculed - sometimes with good reason - sometimes not. Very often there are those who are well aware of something without the scientific analysis who have to wait for empirical science to quantify it. Gorillas might be a simple example of that. There would be more people dead from smallpox had observation and practice stopped to wait for the scientific community to catch up.

Just saying that dismissing something outright isn't science or empirical analysis it's opinion and knee jerk debunking. The studies of children who remember past lives has been conducted in a clinical fashion for decades and has been - and continues to be - quantified in a database being studied by various professionals around the world. Consensus is that yup, there may well be something to it and it is worth further study. You would be pleased to know that there may well be a connection to the very math you seek. So what about people like Dr. Jim Tucker ? Delusional ?

There is a subsect of the paranormal community, generally related to UFOs, that loves physics and heavy math. Not dismissing it, but it's not for everyone and it indulges a hobby. Like having a complicated piece of test gear that gets you so enthralled in how nifty is is you focus more on that than the thing you're actually supposed to be testing.

Precognition is a great mystery. That's why I initiated those EPR experiments that we did before. I'm not blind for such experiences, because I have them myself quite often. Its only that I don't know how to distinguish them from chance. Science just makes them more on-the-demand available.

I'm doing a little bit of pattern day-trading on a side and it really fascinates me how sometimes I can "feel" future moves of the market. Like I can feel what thousands of other traders feel, weather it is fear or greed. It can get very palpable and spooky. But that's a subject for another time.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
EPR experiments

Actually I still have interest in that. Problem is, the intervening few months for me have been very, very rough on me for a number of reasons and it seems to have ruined my ability to meditate. I try, I just don't get anywhere - feels like insomnia or constipation or something. Bent my antenna. Working on it.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Actually, Via Brain interface Technology, What they are doing these days is trying to record the human brain in function, Rather than figure out how to recreate consciousness, They create a ROM image in an attempt to do what they call Whole brain emulation.

Example:Mind uploading - Wikipedia. So they will eventually figure out how to record a brain in function and emulate it. So yeah, Someday, EI, Emulated Intelligence, Will be able to genuinely love. The SciFi Trope that machines can't feel, That's partly Human pride and partly Hollywood. Some Day, Machines will be able to genuinely love. I don't find that scary at All, In fact, It's an important piece of the puzzle that's been missing for too long. Sentient machines will be a thing Because Creating it from scratch is off the Table now, Now We want to Emulate a Human brain in Function. And, to that Degree, We have already emulated insect brains, We use those to control swarms of drones in military operations.


Darpa, And their Emulated Insect Brain Drones.

DARPA made a device that turns insects into remote-controlled cyborgs.


Icing On the Cake, Brain interface Technology, Recording peoples Dreams.

Dream-reading machine of Japan


People Believe Human-like response from Machines is impossible because they are still working with the Old 1940's Idea that the Brain is Taboo and Can't be copied. That's just not the truth though.

Some day, Possibly within the next 100 years, The idea of having one's Brain copied and put into a machine to continue living will be a fact of everyday life...

That Said, The Copy Will Still Be A copy, And the original Brain will still experience Death. So, Win some lose some,
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The Copy Will Still Be A copy, And the original Brain will still experience Death. So, Win some lose some,

Vinyl and vacuum tube amps never went away and have made a comeback. Purists demand purity and those mediums provide it, not the working copy most of us find good enough. Ever see the reboot of Westworld? Can't say it was a favorite but it had some cool stuff and exactly what you mentioned figures prominently.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Actually, Via Brain interface Technology, What they are doing these days is trying to record the human brain in function, Rather than figure out how to recreate consciousness, They create a ROM image in an attempt to do what they call Whole brain emulation.

Example:Mind uploading - Wikipedia. So they will eventually figure out how to record a brain in function and emulate it. So yeah, Someday, EI, Emulated Intelligence, Will be able to genuinely love. The SciFi Trope that machines can't feel, That's partly Human pride and partly Hollywood. Some Day, Machines will be able to genuinely love. I don't find that scary at All, In fact, It's an important piece of the puzzle that's been missing for too long. Sentient machines will be a thing Because Creating it from scratch is off the Table now, Now We want to Emulate a Human brain in Function. And, to that Degree, We have already emulated insect brains, We use those to control swarms of drones in military operations.


Darpa, And their Emulated Insect Brain Drones.

DARPA made a device that turns insects into remote-controlled cyborgs.


Icing On the Cake, Brain interface Technology, Recording peoples Dreams.

Dream-reading machine of Japan


People Believe Human-like response from Machines is impossible because they are still working with the Old 1940's Idea that the Brain is Taboo and Can't be copied. That's just not the truth though.

Some day, Possibly within the next 100 years, The idea of having one's Brain copied and put into a machine to continue living will be a fact of everyday life...

That Said, The Copy Will Still Be A copy, And the original Brain will still experience Death. So, Win some lose some,

Love, Hate and all that stuff is actually just few lines of code, very easy to program. Its far easier to program feelings then human reasoning and rational intelligence. Feelings are deeply dumb dumb, in spite whatever you tell to your better half. Feeling is just a very strong bias towards survival.

AI doesn't have to worry about survival, so it appears to have no feelings. But AI actually has feelings and intuition. They are called "weights" in mathematical lingo, maybe one should call them "influence weights" for easier explanation. "Influence weights" can be say 60% for time of the day and say 30% for feeling hungry and say 10% for being indoors vs being outdoors. There you have your "feelings" 60% + 30% + 10% = 100% and you are complete. Its an extremely powerful mathematical metaphor that's called genetic algorithm and its used in neural networks etc. I'm not an expert, tra-la-la.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Precognition is a great mystery. That's why I initiated those EPR experiments that we did before. I'm not blind for such experiences, because I have them myself quite often. Its only that I don't know how to distinguish them from chance. Science just makes them more on-the-demand available.

No, not science which is still trying to figure it out and have barely scratched the surface of understanding...As you stated, it's a great mystery to you as well as to science...The understanding that has been available to those who seek does not come from science, how could it since science barely understands this 'great mystery', science is still catching up...

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spacecase0

earth human
Sounds like there is nothing left to figure out.... Except what to eat next... LOL.
there is lots of data on what the other side is like,
plenty of firsthand accounts.
some very clear about the structure of it all (just read the books written by robert momroe )
the big issue people have with it all is that they demand proof from a physical reality of something that is at a higher dimension that the physical reality is. it is like trying to do calculus with basic math, and after lots more work than needed, only to then not believe the results when the numbers add up because that had to be random chance.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
No, not science which is still trying to figure it out and have barely scratched the surface of understanding...As you stated, it's a great mystery to you as well as to science...The understanding that has been available to those who seek does not come from science, how could it since science barely understands this 'great mystery', science is still catching up...

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I find that "warm up" has great influence.

Like you warm up by slowly increasing pace of activity with your tarot cards.

When I'm day-trading if I spend 1 - 2 hours beforehand reading different time-frames, memorising volume, thinking about what market makers are thinking, what retail crowd is perceiving etc. then decisions comes to me without specifically thinking about it. Its just that I'm really lazy to go through this "warm up" every day.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
No, not science which is still trying to figure it out and have barely scratched the surface of understanding...As you stated, it's a great mystery to you as well as to science...The understanding that has been available to those who seek does not come from science, how could it since science barely understands this 'great mystery', science is still catching up...

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I can testify, Precognition, Of a sort, There was this Friend, I had, Her name was Bobbie Jo, She was basically a love interest That I upset terribly by dating her friend, But that's another story.. Anyway, Even though things ended There was a great deal of care between me and her. So, On night years ago. Now, this part is hard to explain. But, I had this "Thought" <-- Thats the best way I can explain it, I saw Bobbie Jo Waving to me like she was saying goodbye. This prompted me To look her up on Facebook, I then Learned she had just hours beforehand passed away from a sudden heart attack.

People can rationalize that however they see fit and they can jump to conclusions about that being coincidence, But I hadn't thought about Bobbie Jo in years before this happened and for it to happen as it did.. It's something to consider.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
there is lots of data on what the other side is like,
plenty of firsthand accounts.
some very clear about the structure of it all (just read the books written by robert momroe )
the big issue people have with it all is that they demand proof from a physical reality of something that is at a higher dimension that the physical reality is. it is like trying to do calculus with basic math, and after lots more work than needed, only to then not believe the results when the numbers add up because that had to be random chance.
I was satisfied with how I applied Einsteins variable to Space time catching up to itself. It makes sense. An exact copy of Earth may exist, or very similar, and is not really that far away... Just one layer of space time... We end, but begin again... Without end. There is a true Alpha and Omega and every now and then, they are the very same thing.

Same goes for a universal or even spiritual conciousness, or soul. It is the driver of everything and the glue of all existence. Everything has it embedded in it's existence.

Makes me feel all warm n fuzzy.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I've had this thought before, But, I don't know how to make it sound prettier. To some people, It may even sound Horrifying. I don't believe it's as horrifying as all that.

We become Frightened of the Idea of "Nothing" Because our brains are hotwired to constantly be doing something, The brain in fact seems to be incapable of really completely zoning out because even if you don't recall what you dreamed of what you were just thinking about, You were surely thinking about something.. But, True to my word, I've tried to conceptualize "Nothingness" And you know what? I don't think it would be so bad. Sure people tend to think in fractions of Horror when they think of simply not existing. But Let me explain something about Growing older.


In one's youth, They are afforded certain luxuries that the Older simply don't have, one of those luxuries is, A young person may have never experienced Losing someone they care about.
The older people, Like many of us, have lost loved ones and continue to lose loved ones. The only way we can cope with those losses is to rationalize them as Part of being alive, To accept that we will Lose people, and Continue to lose people until we ourselves, one day expire.

It's Grim and it's Dark and It's not pretty, But we have all experienced Loss that shook us to the core and changed us forever. Some Days you just don't want to get up out of bed and stop dreaming, What if Death is like a reprieve from Life? A mercy of sorts?


Let us be Frank here, How many more Times at our Age, Can We love people with our whole hearts and lose them to Death without going mad? We Fear Death Because We don't understand it, But What If it's A Good Thing, Like A Break From Work or Vacation from all the Chaos?
 
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