Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

Ron67

Ignorance isn’t bliss!
It’s too early IMHO to think we are over the worst.In England the last 2 weeks have seen the lockdown eased and more people out and about (sadly not wearing masks).If there is no spike into the 3rd and 4th week I think we may be over the worst for the time being.I think but hope I’m wrong that this thing will come back with a bang as the cold season starts in September/October.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
It’s too early IMHO to think we are over the worst.In England the last 2 weeks have seen the lockdown eased and more people out and about (sadly not wearing masks).If there is no spike into the 3rd and 4th week I think we may be over the worst for the time being.I think but hope I’m wrong that this thing will come back with a bang as the cold season starts in September/October.

We are seeing a surge in cases in my state and it has not even fully opened back up yet...The business I work for has enforced their mask and eye protection policies regarding the coronavirus because of the surge of cases in this region...They are sending employees home who do not comply with the new policies, 4 people were sent home today and one employee said he was exposed to covid-19 over the weekend and was tested today...He is not allowed to return to work until the results come back in 2 to 3 days and if the test shows a negative reading...

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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
How retired chemistry teacher holds Dominic Cummings' fate in his hands after spotting him 30 MILES from Durham family home - as Gavin Williamson says PM's aide insists he only made ONE trip during lockdown

Robin Lees and his walk in Barnard Castle (bottom right) on April 12 could prove pivotal in forcing the Prime Minister's hand despite his astonishing defence of his friend, adviser and enforcer (top right, today) last night. The Durham local alleges he saw someone who 'looked like' Mr Cummings at the Teesdale town 30 miles from Durham that day, and the 'distinctive' number plate he took down corresponds to Mr Cummings' car.

Mr Cummings, 47, admits he took his wife Mary Wakefield and four-year-old son 260 miles north to his family's farm from London at the end of March, when she was suffering from coronavirus-symptoms. But he and Downing Street have remained silent over an alleged trip out during his northern isolation for a walk in the picturesque village on April 12 - his wife's 45th birthday.


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Can somebody explain to me what was wrong in what Cummings did?

1) What he broke was not a law, but a recommendation. That means one is allowed to use his own best judgment in protecting his family.

2) By driving his family 300 miles to Durham he never endangered any other member of the public with infection. If a family sits in a car with closed windows while driving on a motorway it can not infect anybody.

3) Chance that his family would contract coronavirus is much higher in densely populated London than on a remote countryside property owned by his parents. From that point of view, he did the best thing to protect lives of his loved ones.

4) The rule that he broke was too broad and not perfectly designed. If anybody had a second home where he can put up his family to save them from the spread of pandemic he should be able to do so. Current rule practically forces one to stay in the most contaminated zone even if they have options to move to less contaminated area.

Maybe I can not see some other aspect of this drama, but Cummings simply acted to protect his family, and, while doing so, he never increased the chance of exposure to the coronavirus for anybody else.
 

AlienView

Noble
I've changed my mind maybe 10X since this Covid19 nightmare was made the #1 story Worldwide.

- Sometimes thinking why haven't they done more?

Then just today I read this article - And then you have to ask WTF are they really trying to do ???

Antibody Tests Point To Lower Death Rate For The Coronavirus Than First Thought

"Mounting evidence suggests the coronavirus is more common and less deadly than it first appeared.

The evidence comes from tests that detect antibodies to the coronavirus in a person's blood rather than the virus itself.

The tests are finding large numbers of people in the U.S. who were infected but never became seriously ill. And when these mild infections are included in coronavirus statistics, the virus appears less dangerous.

"The current best estimates for the infection fatality risk are between 0.5% and 1%," says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security............."

Antibody Tests Point To Lower Death Rate For The Coronavirus Than First Thought



So the questions any reasonable persons would ask is:

1. Why did they not follow the other option presented in the beginning
which was to notify the public of the truth and encourage all older and persons with at risk medical conditions to self isolate and cater to this problem demographic rather than wreck the World's economies when right from the beginning they knew ti was a low kill rate disease for most people ??????

2. Where can you find the actual death rate for those people not in the high-risk
category ????

3. What is the motivation??? - Was it really to save lives ???


Maybe the whole dam pandemic, while possibly occurring naturally {or otherwise} has become an opportunity for the power elite to strengthen its control of the World's commerce and business and peoples lives ?????
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Worrying new graphs show how coronavirus is STILL surging in many US counties with infections spiking up to 900% in parts of Texas and Florida since April

Stunning, new graphics show that the novel coronavirus is still surging in several counties across the US. As states begin to reopen their economies, several cities have been seeing their daily COVID-19 infections increase. Daily infections in Harrison, Texas - a state that has been aggressively reopening - have spiked by 900 percent.

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That is the second coming, as promised by virologists.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Sweden has the highest death rate per capita than any country in the world this week, data shows

Sweden has the highest coronavirus death rate per capita than any country in the world over the past seven days.

The country, which refused to impose a lockdown, has seen 5.59 deaths for every million people per day on a rolling seven-day average in the week to May 29. That rate is an astonishing 11 times higher than the world average of 0.49 deaths for every million people over the same period.

Sweden's seven day rolling average is higher than any other country, followed by Brazil (4.51), San Marino (4.21), Peru (4.12) and the UK (3.78). It is also greater than other countries that have been hugely affected by the virus, including the USA (2.98), Belgium (2.49), Italy (1.55), Russia (1.02), and France (0.98).

Despite the rolling average, Sweden does not have the highest coronavirus death rate per million people since the outbreak started.

(more on the link)

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nivek

As Above So Below
Monkeys 'escape with COVID-19 samples' after attacking lab assistant

A gang of monkeys attacked a laboratory assistant and escaped with a batch of coronavirus blood test samples, it has been reported. The bizarre incident saw the troop of primates launch their assault near Meerut Medical College in Delhi, India.

According to local media, the animals then snatched COVID-19 blood test samples that had been taken from three patients and fled. One of the monkeys was later spotted in a tree chewing one of the sample collection kits, the Times of India reported - adding that test samples from the patients had to be taken again.

The undamaged kits were later recovered, the Meerut medical college superintendent, Dheeraj Raj, told AFP.

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nivek

As Above So Below
The tests are finding large numbers of people in the U.S. who were infected but never became seriously ill. And when these mild infections are included in coronavirus statistics, the virus appears less dangerous.

"The current best estimates for the infection fatality risk are between 0.5% and 1%," says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security............."

The mild cases are included in the statistics...

Coronavirus Update (Live): 6,023,032 Cases and 366,372 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

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nivek

As Above So Below
Today's stats thus far...

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AD1184

Celestial
I've changed my mind maybe 10X since this Covid19 nightmare was made the #1 story Worldwide.

- Sometimes thinking why haven't they done more?

Then just today I read this article - And then you have to ask WTF are they really trying to do ???

Antibody Tests Point To Lower Death Rate For The Coronavirus Than First Thought

"Mounting evidence suggests the coronavirus is more common and less deadly than it first appeared.

The evidence comes from tests that detect antibodies to the coronavirus in a person's blood rather than the virus itself.

The tests are finding large numbers of people in the U.S. who were infected but never became seriously ill. And when these mild infections are included in coronavirus statistics, the virus appears less dangerous.

"The current best estimates for the infection fatality risk are between 0.5% and 1%," says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security............."

Antibody Tests Point To Lower Death Rate For The Coronavirus Than First Thought



So the questions any reasonable persons would ask is:

1. Why did they not follow the other option presented in the beginning
which was to notify the public of the truth and encourage all older and persons with at risk medical conditions to self isolate and cater to this problem demographic rather than wreck the World's economies when right from the beginning they knew ti was a low kill rate disease for most people ??????

2. Where can you find the actual death rate for those people not in the high-risk
category ????

3. What is the motivation??? - Was it really to save lives ???


Maybe the whole dam pandemic, while possibly occurring naturally {or otherwise} has become an opportunity for the power elite to strengthen its control of the World's commerce and business and peoples lives ?????
There is a difference between the infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate. The latter is only among those who become a medical case (i.e. they present to the health care system in whatever country they become ill). The case fatality rate is necessarily larger than the infection fatality rate when people are missed by testing. The infection fatality rate has previously been reckoned to lie within the bounds in the article you mention. I cited a Lancet study more than two months ago in this thread which said as much. The British government's Chief Medical Officer, Chris Whitty, told a committee of MPs in early March "I have a reasonably high degree of confidence that one percent is at the upper rate of what the mortality rate is". An infection fatality rate of 0.5-1% is still not insignificant, and is very much higher for the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.

There isn't really a single fatality rate figure, even when accounting for what 'risk category' people fall into. For example, if hospitals were already overrun with Covid patients, such that people had to be turned away, or given palliative care only, then the infection fatality rate would be much higher than if there were capacity to treat everyone who needed it.
 

AD1184

Celestial
Good questions!
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Not terribly good questions, but here are some answers:

Inasmuch as maintaining a distance of at least six feet and wearing a mask 'work', they reduce the risk of transmission of the virus between people. Any one method works to reduce the amount of transmission, and in combination they work even more effectively. No one claims that either measure makes transmission impossible.

The lockdown is a retreat from a losing battle due to inadequate preparation. If people could have been persuaded (or required) to maintain distance from one another and to wear masks in public much earlier, then the lockdown may not have been necessary. As it was, in many places the number of concurrently infected people rose to such a high number that authorities did not know how else to deal with it, or they feared that such a situation was imminent and did not have any other measures in place that would prevent it.
 
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AD1184

Celestial
Can somebody explain to me what was wrong in what Cummings did?

1) What he broke was not a law, but a recommendation. That means one is allowed to use his own best judgment in protecting his family.
The law that Cummings broke was regulation six of the The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020:

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020
Restrictions on movement

6.—(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—

(a)to obtain basic necessities, including food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including any pets or animals in the household) or for vulnerable persons and supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household, or the household of a vulnerable person, or to obtain money, including from any business listed in Part 3 of Schedule 2;

(b)to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household;

(c)to seek medical assistance, including to access any of the services referred to in paragraph 37 or 38 of Schedule 2;

(d)to provide care or assistance, including relevant personal care within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding of Vulnerable Groups Act 2006(3), to a vulnerable person, or to provide emergency assistance;

(e)to donate blood;

(f)to travel for the purposes of work or to provide voluntary or charitable services, where it is not reasonably possible for that person to work, or to provide those services, from the place where they are living;

(g)to attend a funeral of—

(i)a member of the person’s household,

(ii)a close family member, or

(iii)if no-one within sub-paragraphs (i) or (ii) are attending, a friend;

(h)to fulfil a legal obligation, including attending court or satisfying bail conditions, or to participate in legal proceedings;

(i)to access critical public services, including—

(i)childcare or educational facilities (where these are still available to a child in relation to whom that person is the parent, or has parental responsibility for, or care of the child);

(ii)social services;

(iii)services provided by the Department of Work and Pensions;

(iv)services provided to victims (such as victims of crime);

(j)in relation to children who do not live in the same household as their parents, or one of their parents, to continue existing arrangements for access to, and contact between, parents and children, and for the purposes of this paragraph, “parent” includes a person who is not a parent of the child, but who has parental responsibility for, or who has care of, the child;

(k)in the case of a minister of religion or worship leader, to go to their place of worship;

(l)to move house where reasonably necessary;

(m)to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm.

(3) For the purposes of paragraph (1), the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises.

(4) Paragraph (1) does not apply to any person who is homeless.
Cummings and his defenders seem to be saying that his trip was covered by the 'reasonable excuses' in paragraph two of the regulation. As he put it at his press conference, there were 'exceptions' to the 'rules', but actually there are regulations and reasonable excuses.

However, 6(2)(i)(i) is for the access of childcare as a critical public service. Cummings did not seek any public childcare service at his destination in Durham. It could only be a reasonable excuse if he did not have any other option. Most people in the country faced with Cummings' situation in the past few months have not had the luxury of a second home, and have dealt with the matter by staying in their primary residence. It is not clear why Cummings was not able to do likewise. Cummings could have endangered others with Covid infection if he had been involved in an accident on his drive to Durham, or if he had become ill enough to require hospital treatment, like the Prime Minister, in a more rural area of the country.

"Essential travel does not include visits to second homes, camp sites, caravan parks or similar, whether for isolation purposes or holidays."

COVID-19 essential travel guidance
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
I went to town yesterday evening about 6pm, theres two restaurants I pass if I go to Wal-Mart, a steak house and IHOP, both had full parking lots...Drove on and went in Wal-Mart and noticed during my short time there, only about 10 percent of the people shopping wore masks, the other 90 percent did not and groups of people gathered talking close together with no masks...The store employees did wear masks, some wore face shields...

This when our state North Carolina reported its highest one-day spike of cases over Memorial Day weekend, and confirmed positive test results have been spiking in my area of the state too...Just in that same town I was in yesterday they had a spike in new cases along with the surrounding towns and counties...Virginia to the north made it mandatory to wear masks because of spikes in new cases, South Carolina to the south is showing spikes of new cases...Our state's are opening back up and I agree we should, we must open back up, BUT in doing so everyone needs to comply and wear masks, it protects those around us in public...North Carolina has 27,793 total confirmed cases with 11,910 of those being still active cases, we had over 1100 new cases yesterday and already have 944 new cases today...

I think now and into the coming weeks is a dangerous time, more so than a couple months ago when it first started here...I hope I'm wrong but the virus may spread like wildfire now that things are opening up and with people who are not wearing PPE...We had two people at work this week test positive for covid-19, fortunately they did not expose other employees, they were exposed over the last weekend and got tested and waited for results before returning to work...

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AD1184

Celestial
It's all right, folks. The coronavirus pandemic apparently ended to make way for the George Floyd protests.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
It's all right, folks. The coronavirus pandemic apparently ended to make way for the George Floyd protests.

The insanity in my country is over the top and surely this madness will herald in a fierce second wave of the coronavirus...

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Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
On the local TV news the other day there was a protester who had the selfish arrogance to say that the Covid-19 is "only a disease that old folks have to worry about."

I've been reading that obesity is one of the factors that effects the severity of Covid-19 cases. This spoiled brat white kid was noticeably large. He appeared to be in many ways the perfect stereotypical millenial.
 
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