Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

pepe

Celestial
I will not be getting it, I shall wait a while and see what toll it has on the first guineas if mass inoculation begins...

I once was listening to an account by a women who's boyfriend was lab ratting a drug for a pharmaceutical outfit and she explained how his head had doubled in size before he passed away.
 

AD1184

Celestial
Surely a means to detect how long the virus has remained active within any given individual can be devised so we are not 'recounting' someone who has remained positive for months?
It is scientifically possible to determine if the virus is active in someone, but, like with many other ways of finding useful information about what is going on with this virus, it is expensive and requires specialized equipment.

I would think if someone has remained positive for a couple months the virus would spread further in theirs bodies and cause more damage than someone who has been recently tested positive and previously had no virus within their body...
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I have explained already the difference between being SARS-CoV-2 'positive' and having an active infection. They are not the same thing.

Positivity is determined by the result of an RT-PCR test for SARS-CoV-2. Here is a video by a doctor that explains it:

 

nivek

As Above So Below
I have explained already the difference between being SARS-CoV-2 'positive' and having an active infection. They are not the same thing.

Yeah but could it be determined if an individual has an active infection for 2 months verses someone who has an active infection for 2 weeks?...

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nivek

As Above So Below
First possible U.S. case of COVID-19 reinfection

A 25-year-old man from Nevada may be the first documented case of COVID-19 reinfection in the United States, a Nevada State Public Health Lab-led team found. The man had first contracted the coronavirus in April, having seemingly recovered after he tested negative for the virus twice. Toward the end of May, he began experiencing symptoms again, was hospitalized and required ongoing oxygen support, CNN reports.

After being tested again, his results returned as positive for the virus. “If reinfection is possible on such a short timeline, there may be implications for the efficacy of vaccines developed to fight the disease. It may also have implications for herd immunity,” Mark Pandori, a member of the team at the University of Nevada Reno School of Medicine and Nevada State Public Health Laboratory that studied the case, said. “It is important to note, that this is a singular finding. It does not provide any information to us with regard to the generalizability of this phenomenon.”


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nivek

As Above So Below
Berlin police told an estimated 18,000 demonstrators, who complained of too much government interference, to go home on Saturday morning.

Thousands signed up to attend a rally on Saturday in the German capital of Berlin against coronavirus restrictions before it was banned by city authorities due to health concerns. The ban was later overturned by the city administrative court, which allowed the protest under the condition that protesters would social distance. Police said protesters failed to abide by court-mandated health safety rules. "Unfortunately, we have no other option," Berlin police wrote on Twitter. "We've approached the leader of the demonstration and informed him that his assembly will be dissolved by the police. All the measures taken so far have not led to compliance with the conditions."

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nivek

As Above So Below
Several U.S. states will not be following the federal health officials' new plan to reduce testing of those exposed to the coronavirus.

New guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has suggested that testing asymptomatic people may no longer be necessary. Despite this, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Texas, New Jersey and New York may continue to test asymptomatic people who may have been exposed to the virus, according to Reuters.

This week, the CDC make a statement saying people who are exposed to the virus but do not appear to be symptomatic may not need to be tested, shocking doctors and politicians and causing blame that the new guidelines may be politically motivated. Testing around the U.S. has dropped, even before the guidelines went into effect.

In late July, the U.S. tested over 800,000 people a day
. Last week, only 675,000 people were tested a day.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo assured that his state would not be abiding by the guidance. CNN and The New York Times both reported that U.S. public health officials were ordered by high-level members of the Trump administration to put the change into effect. The World Health Organization and many countries around the globe have advocated that early testing must be done.

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AD1184

Celestial
Yeah but could it be determined if an individual has an active infection for 2 months verses someone who has an active infection for 2 weeks?
In principle, but it depends what you mean. Viable virus particles can be recovered from someone who has an infection. This is costly work, and is only carried out in research studies, and not in the testing of the broader population.

You could test someone with an RT-PCR test and, if they test positive, attempt to recover viable virus particles from them. If you do, you do not know for how long they have had the virus. You would have to make a guess from contact tracing to figure out when the person caught the virus, and ask them from their history of symptoms to make a guess as to how long the infection has been active. In an asymptomatic person, you obviously cannot do the latter.

I don't think that there is any evidence that the infection itself can last two months or more. The disease can last for that length of time, but that is because of the damage from the virus and the immune response.
 

AlienView

Noble
THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS
Scientists Explore Why Some People Are Able To Live With An Infection Unscathed
August 29, 20206:00 AM ET

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One of the reasons Covid-19 has spread so swiftly around the globe is that for the first days after infection, people feel healthy. Instead of staying home in bed, they may be out and about, unknowingly passing the virus along. But in addition to these pre-symptomatic patients, the relentless silent spread of this pandemic is also facilitated by a more mysterious group of people: the so-called asymptomatics.

According to various estimates, between 20 and 45 percent of the people who get COVID-19 — and possibly more, according to a recent study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — sail through a coronavirus infection without realizing they ever had it. No fever or chills. No loss of smell or taste. No breathing difficulties. They don't feel a thing.

Asymptomatic cases are not unique to COVID-19. They occur with the regular flu, and probably also featured in the 1918 pandemic, according to epidemiologist Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London. But scientists aren't sure why certain people weather COVID-19 unscathed. "That is a tremendous mystery at this point," says Donald Thea, an infectious disease expert at Boston University's School of Public Health............."

Scientists Explore Why Some People Are Able To Live With An Infection Unscathed


You see that has been the main problem right from the beginning - A virus that is not usually deadly is,
however very 'stealth like' - Before the World new what was happening it was everywhere!!!

And I'll say it again - If crazed terrorists wanted to create an apocalyptic nigthmare to bring about chaos and
destruction- This Novel Coronavirus was a good choice! - But maybe I'm being overly paranoid?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
This thread linked below has much to say in regards to this current pandemic and how it's possibly being used in movements across the globe to make serious changes to the world and we must be careful how we proceed with this...

There are many valid points to consider in this thread...

Ushering in The Great Reset

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nivek

As Above So Below
Are we setting ourselves up for another pandemic?...

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Mass use of hand gels to control Covid risks creating superbug 'armageddon' as other bacteria and viruses build up resistance, researchers warn

The mass use of hand gels during the coronavirus pandemic may create a superbug 'armageddon' as other bacteria and viruses build up a resistance, researchers have warned.

Dr Andrew Kemp has said that the overuse of alcohol-based hand gels during the pandemic will allow other bacteria and viruses on our hands to adapt and survive gel use.

Dr Kemp, head of the Scientific Advisory Board on the British Institute of Cleaning Science, added that if this were to happen, it could lead to an 'armageddon situation', according to the Daily Express.

(More on the link)

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AD1184

Celestial
Welcome to 6 feet apart social distancing.... London
On the other hand, this is a graph of the number of people being admitted to hospital in London with Covid since the beginning of May (lockdown restrictions were lifted on the 4th of July):
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And a graph of the number of deaths over the same period:
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So, in London at least, it does not seem to matter at this point what people are doing.

I think when you have had a wave of Covid as bad as London did in the spring, then social distancing does not really matter any more.
 

AlienView

Noble
The Spanish Flu: How the World Recovered


You will notice the similartity between that pandemic and the one the World is in now.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
This is interesting...

A Supercomputer Analyzed Covid-19 — and an Interesting New Theory Has Emerged

(Excerpt)

In this sense, Covid-19 is like a burglar who slips in your unlocked second-floor window and starts to ransack your house. Once inside, though, they don’t just take your stuff — they also throw open all your doors and windows so their accomplices can rush in and help pillage more efficiently.

The renin–angiotensin system (RAS) controls many aspects of the circulatory system, including the body’s levels of a chemical called bradykinin, which normally helps to regulate blood pressure. According to the team’s analysis, when the virus tweaks the RAS, it causes the body’s mechanisms for regulating bradykinin to go haywire. Bradykinin receptors are resensitized, and the body also stops effectively breaking down bradykinin. (ACE normally degrades bradykinin, but when the virus downregulates it, it can’t do this as effectively.)

The end result, the researchers say, is to release a bradykinin storm — a massive, runaway buildup of bradykinin in the body. According to the bradykinin hypothesis, it’s this storm that is ultimately responsible for many of Covid-19’s deadly effects. Jacobson’s team says in their paper that “the pathology of Covid-19 is likely the result of Bradykinin Storms rather than cytokine storms,” which " had been previously identified in Covid-19 patients, but that “the two may be intricately linked.” Other papers had previously identified bradykinin storms as a possible cause of Covid-19’s pathologies.

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nivek

As Above So Below
Cuomo admits no plan to reopen NYC restaurants, enforce compliance: 'How is that gonna happen?'

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he does not have a plan to allow New York City restaurants to reopen indoor dining, blaming difficulties with enforcing coronavirus restrictions during a conference call on Thursday.

New York City Council Speaker Corey Johnson released a statement on Wednesday declaring "it's time" for New York City to ease back into indoor dining, citing neighboring New Jersey's decision to do so.

After months of surviving with outdoor dining and takeout and delivery, city restaurant owners say the coming colder weather could be fatal for their businesses. While owners have tended to blame Mayor Bill de Blasio for lacking a plan to reopen dining rooms, Cuomo said any decision would need to be made by the state government.

"That's not a decision that's going to be made by New York City," Cuomo said on Thursday. "They have no legal authority to make that decision. The state will make that decision, I happen to agree with the speaker. I'd like to see the restaurants open."

Having announced that casinos in the state and malls in New York City may reopen at limited capacity and with coronavirus regulations on Sept. 9, Cuomo said the state lacks the manpower to make sure restaurants are complying by any reopening guidelines and suggested that key discussions with local officials and the restaurant industry have not yet taken place.

(More on the link)

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nivek

As Above So Below
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SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
YUP.
Next is Covid-20.
One look and you got.
You're dead in 5 steps.

Coming soon...mandate, that everybody now will have to wear blindfolds.
 

AD1184

Celestial
Researchers at Oxford's Centre for Evidence Based Medicine and the University of the West of England have published a pre-print of a scientific paper (i.e. one that has been submitted to a journal for peer review but has not yet been published) which is arguing the point that I have been making in this thread for some time: that a lot of new 'positive' cases are not infectious carriers of the virus, but rather people who got over the infection some time ago but are still shedding unviable viral fragments that are detectable with an RT-PCR test.

A press article about the study:

Coronavirus tests 'may be picking up traces of dead virus'

The preprint itself can be found here:

Viral cultures for COVID-19 infectivity assessment. Systematic review

The authors recommend more effort is made to distinguish between people who are testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 on RT-PCR tests, and those who are actually infectious, by more routine testing by viral culture growth from samples in supposedly infected individuals, better training of PCR testers and the establishment of a cut off in the cycle threshold of detectability in the PCR test in order to declare that someone is positive for the virus. They write "An increasing body of evidence shows that such identification cannot be accurately achieved through the simplistic division of those who test positive and who do not on the basis of the results of RT-PCR [This is nevertheless how it is carried out in practice around the world - AD]. The sensitivity and specificity of RT-PCR needs comparing to the gold standard of infectiousness: the capacity to grow live virus from a specimen.

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"The purpose of viral testing is to assess the relation of the micro-organism and hazard to humans, i.e. its clinical impact on the individual providing the sample for primary care and the risk of transmission to others for public health. PCR on its own is unable to provide such answers.

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"A binary Yes/No approach to the interpretation RT-PCR unvalidated against viral culture will result in false positives with segregation of large numbers of people who are no longer infectious and hence not a threat to public health."

They point out that viral shedding in the upper respiratory tract detectable by RT-PCR testing has been observed to occur up to 83 days after the onset of symptoms, but that the presence of viable virus, necessary for someone to be infectious to others, occurs only for a maximum of 8 days after the onset of symptoms.
 

AD1184

Celestial
Researchers at Oxford's Centre for Evidence Based Medicine and the University of the West of England have published a pre-print of a scientific paper (i.e. one that has been submitted to a journal for peer review but has not yet been published) which is arguing the point that I have been making in this thread for some time: that a lot of new 'positive' cases are not infectious carriers of the virus, but rather people who got over the infection some time ago but are still shedding unviable viral fragments that are detectable with an RT-PCR test.

A press article about the study:

Coronavirus tests 'may be picking up traces of dead virus'

The preprint itself can be found here:

Viral cultures for COVID-19 infectivity assessment. Systematic review

The authors recommend more effort is made to distinguish between people who are testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 on RT-PCR tests, and those who are actually infectious, by more routine testing by viral culture growth from samples in supposedly infected individuals, better training of PCR testers and the establishment of a cut off in the cycle threshold of detectability in the PCR test in order to declare that someone is positive for the virus. They write "An increasing body of evidence shows that such identification cannot be accurately achieved through the simplistic division of those who test positive and who do not on the basis of the results of RT-PCR [This is nevertheless how it is carried out in practice around the world - AD]. The sensitivity and specificity of RT-PCR needs comparing to the gold standard of infectiousness: the capacity to grow live virus from a specimen.

[...]

"The purpose of viral testing is to assess the relation of the micro-organism and hazard to humans, i.e. its clinical impact on the individual providing the sample for primary care and the risk of transmission to others for public health. PCR on its own is unable to provide such answers.

[...]

"A binary Yes/No approach to the interpretation RT-PCR unvalidated against viral culture will result in false positives with segregation of large numbers of people who are no longer infectious and hence not a threat to public health."

They point out that viral shedding in the upper respiratory tract detectable by RT-PCR testing has been observed to occur up to 83 days after the onset of symptoms, but that the presence of viable virus, necessary for someone to be infectious to others, occurs only for a maximum of 8 days after the onset of symptoms.
The Independent, which imagines itself a sophisticated newspaper, has covered this story with the scientifically illiterate headline:
"Coronavirus: Tests could be detecting dead virus cells, research suggests"

Coronavirus tests could be detecting dead virus cells, research suggests
 
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