Conspiracy Theory Omega, On The Alien Grey.

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I've been thinking about Aliens a lot, for a really long time. And I have some questions about What we think aliens are, And What Extraterrestrial life is classified as really.

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What I am getting at is, These Particular Kinds of Speculations Do tend to hit a brick wall in Logical and critical thinking. Wouldn't it be perfect, if a Truly extraterrestrial species were so similar to us? It would be unprecedented uncanny... Unlikely

As we search for extraterrestrial life, We always limit our Searches, radio signals That fall within Similar templates to ours, Within certain ranges, broadcast from hydrogen environments Able to "just out of the convenience of intellectualism able to comprehend us"...

The problem seems to be that we aren't really looking for aliens. We are literally looking for US. I mean, What are the Odds, That A truly extraterrestrial species could come here and Not only walk in a bipedal way and breathe our atmosphere But immediately be able to purportedly, Diplomatically work out trade deals with us concerning technology? Which by the freaking way was so extraordinarily similar to our own technology that we were able to use a great deal of it through reverse engineering?

When you Examine the conceived nature of their method of transport, you begin to realize that even their understanding of Physics Mimics our own, They use these Craft that Accelerates at unimaginable speeds to What? Literally Exploit Einsteins Time dilation?

It Literally begs the Question, Just how alien are these Guys? No, These Guys aren't alien.. People often ask the same question, If Time Travel were possible, Why haven't we seen time Travelers.

I believe the Greys a from A Different time, Thousands of years? Millions maybe? But It's clear, They have Far too much in common with us, Even to the point of alleged hybridization, To be anything other than Humans. Just a few thoughts SP.

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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Yeah, you are just layering one speculation over the other. Sure that it is going to heart your head because a number of unruly variations is going to escalate like maggots into moths.

You know science. Put it on background of science and you don't anymore have unlimited number of variations. Science severely restricts what's possible and probable.

I don't think it's important in which shape & form they come. It's important what resources are they after and what opportunities are available to them. And science tells us a lot about that.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Science severely restricts what's possible and probable.

What did Spock say? 'Only human arrogance would assume the message must be meant for Man'
Not going down the Deep hole there with whales, just suggesting that our own need to anthropomorphize might limit our vision a little. Nature has a way of thumbing her nose at what we think should or shouldn't be possible, like asexual reproduction or exotic life clinging to volcanic vents on the sea floor. Of course, Science is why we know about that in the first place.

Look at the biodiversity on this planet. Quite the range of environments, survival mechanisms that lead physical characteristics, specialized capabilities, etc.

I think we won't know until we know and until then all bets are off.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I think we won't know until we know and until then all bets are off.

I don't really agree with that statement. It's "emperor's new clothes", again and again, and again.

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We actually already know, through scientific knowledge, without the slightest need for disclosure by governments. But for purely anthropocentric reasons we are pretending that we don't know and demand aliens to play us a lap dance. I mean, there is 200,000 investigated UFO and alien sightings on US and French publicly available databases. A huge number of these cases perfectly conform with our scientific know-how.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I don't really agree with that statement. It's "emperor's new clothes", again and again, and again.

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We actually already know, through scientific knowledge, without the slightest need for disclosure by governments. But for purely anthropocentric reasons we are pretending that we don't know and demand aliens to play us a lap dance. I mean, there is 200,000 investigated UFO and alien sightings on US and French publicly available databases. A huge number of these cases perfectly conform with our scientific know-how.
I don't know brother, I think a lot of us here Study Science and Ufology... If we knew without a doubt for an absolute fact, Then we wouldn't need that Lapdance the Aliens allegedly "promised" us in that Shady bar that night... I'm just saying, People often get popular scientific opinion thrown into the Empirical pile of data. We really don't have that proof... There are a lot of ways to regard the question. Do Michio Kaku and Neil Degrasse Tyson believe there are aliens out there? sure, Does that make it a Scientific empirical fact that an Andorian Owes me a lap dance?

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I'm gonna say yes, But that's only because I want the Lapdance, That still doesn't make it empirical fact though brother.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Consider for a moment, How much we believe we know of the secrets locked behind closed doors. If we are so sure we know, Then Why do we need a Disclosure? To prove to the all of three nonbelievers left? We don't know What we know, Between Disinformation and bold assumption, we proclaim to have a full picture, but, If we really knew every secrets the governments keep from us, Then why do they even bother to keep secrets?


Script flipping moment, Is it possible governments around the world allow us to believe we know their secrets because they can't bare the thought of telling us, It's official We are alone in the cosmos?

I'm not saying that's the case. I'm only saying, If we Actually knew all their secrets, Then, Wouldn't we know that we knew? You know? They Sure do have secrets, but Maybe they just don't want to deny the possibility of Extraterrestrial life, Maybe they are as hopeful about it as we are?


I know that If I knew for a fact that we were alone in the universe, I would never want to tell people that... Do you know why? Because I would go down in history as a boring old dusty professor that killed everyone's dreams.


In a roundabout kind of way, What I'm getting at is, I don't believe the government knows What The Unidentified Flying objects are. I don't necessarily believe we have ever captured one, I think they would be so advanced that Capturing one with our technology would be completely impossible. I think governments around the world, May fear a security threat that they themselves don't fully understand.. But I know that If we had extraterrestrials seized technology, We would have more evidence slipping through the cracks than we do. Because the kind of fame that would come with a public leak like that would be a powerful incentive for anyone to come forth.
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Consider for a moment, How much we believe we know of the secrets locked behind closed doors. If we are so sure we know, Then Why do we need a Disclosure? To prove to the all of three nonbelievers left? We don't know What we know, Between Disinformation and bold assumption, we proclaim to have a full picture, but, If we really knew every secrets the governments keep from us, Then why do they even bother to keep secrets?


Script flipping moment, Is it possible governments around the world allow us to believe we know their secrets because they can't bare the thought of telling us, It's official We are alone in the cosmos?

I'm not saying that's the case. I'm only saying, If we Actually knew all their secrets, Then, Wouldn't we know that we knew? You know? They Sure do have secrets, but Maybe they just don't want to deny the possibility of Extraterrestrial life, Maybe they are as hopeful about it as we are?


I know that If I knew for a fact that we were alone in the universe, I would never want to tell people that... Do you know why? Because I would go down in history as a boring old dusty professor that killed everyone's dreams.

OK, I did structural engineering. For two years they thought us mathematics and stress analysis that went into it. Then once we knew how do the calculations, they did a live experiment for us. And, guess what, in that experiment calculations matched the experiment with a small error.

If I took anything away from uni was that maths is reality.

When witness says that he got crackling on the radio, we know crackling on that radio while UFO was next to his car, can be only caused by an oscillating EM field. When an engineer operating the 115m (350ft) deep Castelo de Bode arch-gravity hydroelectric dam in Portugal said that water pressure dropped for few seconds while UFO was above the dam we know from general relativity that such a machine would create a gravitational field that can do that by lifting water and reducing it's weight.

There are hundreds of examples like that.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
OK, I did structural engineering. For two years they thought us mathematics and stress analysis that went into it. Then once we knew how do the calculations, they did a live experiment for us. And, guess what, in that experiment calculations matched the experiment with a small error.

If I took anything away from uni was that maths is reality.

When witness says that he got crackling on the radio, we know crackling on that radio while UFO was next to his car, can be only caused by an oscillating EM field. When an engineer operating the 115m (350ft) tall Castelo de Bode arch-gravity hydroelectric dam said that water pressure dropped for few seconds while UFO was above the dam we know from general relativity that such a machine would create a gravitational field that can do that by lifting water and reducing it's weight.

There are hundreds of examples like that.
No, I get that, But Hear me out brother, There is a counter-cultural aspect to all of this. When people Write a Great song, They get notoriety for the effort. When Someone Writes Really well they get notoriety for being an accomplished author.
You Misunderstand, I am not proclaiming that Extraterrestrials Aren't Real, I'm asserting that In all of those Reported cases, " Most of them are fabrications" If even one is legitimate then that's reality transforming information. However. Consider for just a moment, If every one of those cases turned out to be Truth, Then we should be able to run into aliens when we step out of our homes to get the newspaper. A lot of people Don't know That Two of the most popular Abduction cases to ever transpire were from aspiring science fiction authors. Both Travis Walton and Witley Streiber were aspiring Science fiction authors before their " incidents "

I believe there is something out there. The Question people should be asking is. Has it been here? Have we actually interacted with it? Is interaction even possible?

I believe Extraterrestrial life is a thing. Even really really advanced extraterrestrial life, But Hear me out here. If there was even a little truth to even most reported cases, We should all be able to look up at the night sky and see for ourselves how they are here.

Millions of reported cases Globally over the last seventy-five years. And yet, The bleeding edge of science is spending billions of dollars annually worldwide trying to find them? Why, When Anyone should just be able to go outside on a clear night and observe them?
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
If you look at it objectively, WE are aliens.

Animals had it made before we got here.

The human is the only thing on this planet with the ego to think everything is here for our taking. And the takers take take take take take. Possibly to our own demise.

If we are aliens, I am not so sure we are superior. We are probably not supposed to be here.

Perhaps we crashed here or got stuck here somehow. And what survived is not what crashed here.

I bet we are a real curiosity freak show to the originals now.

If anything. They probably want to make sure that whatever happened to us doesn't happen to them.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
If you look at it objectively, WE are aliens.

Animals had it made before we got here if you think about it.

The human is the only thing on this planet with the ego to think everything is here for our taking. And the takers take take take take take. Possibly to our own demise.

If we are aliens, I am not so sure we are superior. We are probably not supposed to be here.

Perhaps we crashed here or got stuck here somehow. And what survived is not what crashed here. I bet we are a real curiosity freak show to the originals now.

If anything. They probably want to make sure that whatever happened to us doesn't happen to them.
It does seem that we are unique to almost every other kind of life on the planet. I am more in the camp that we were engineered. But Que Sera Sera.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Then I am not impressed with the engineers.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, You can't have Death, Without Life, Sadness without Happiness.

If there where such things as Eternal Life and Boundless joy, Without the Contrasts of Sadness and Death, Then Those things would Lose a lot of their Function.

Is it a Disgruntled Creator That cares little for his Creation? Or, Is it an unsatisfied creation that Exclaims Dissatisfaction with his environment?

Philosophy moment, One thing we humans have been doing since the beginning is transforming our surroundings, Our environment, and Changing our circumstances with Effort. if we are unhappy, Unfulfilled, is this the Creators Fault? or creations? people Want To Blame An engineer, Or Even to some outside Extinct, God for the way things are. We Made Civilization and every law and social structure upon it. The World is the way it is because we made it that way brother.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Piss on Science, that's Batgirl, isn't it?
That is pretty funny, but poignant.

Science has never been the problem. The problem is how scoence is abused by egotistical market banter and disinfirmation propogated by self gratifying egotistical sociopaths.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, You can't have Death, Without Life, Sadness without Happiness.

If there here such things as Eternal Life and Boundless joy, Without the Contrasts of Sadness and Death, Then Those things would Lose a lot of their Function.

Is it a Disgruntled Creator That cares little for his Creation? Or, Is it an unsatisfied creation that Exclaims Dissatisfaction with his environment?

Philosophy moment, One thing we humans have been doing since the beginning is transforming our surroundings, Our environment, and Changing our circumstances with Effort. if we are unhappy, Unfulfilled, is this the Creators Fault? or creations? people Want To Blame An engineer, Or Even to some outside Extinct, God for the way things are. We Made Civilization and every law and social structure upon it. The World is the way it is because we made it that way brother.

Sad but rings of truth.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Okay... some rhings are impresive, such as our art...
And dang. Some of us are just really gorgeous!
Agreed, I've lived a long time and Seen some really Beautiful women. But some are captivating, so beautiful you won't see another like them in our lifetimes. The world is full of Unknowable truths.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
OK, I did structural engineering. For two years they thought us mathematics and stress analysis that went into it. Then once we knew how do the calculations, they did a live experiment for us. And, guess what, in that experiment calculations matched the experiment with a small error.

If I took anything away from uni was that maths is reality.

When witness says that he got crackling on the radio, we know crackling on that radio while UFO was next to his car, can be only caused by an oscillating EM field. When an engineer operating the 115m (350ft) deep Castelo de Bode arch-gravity hydroelectric dam in Portugal said that water pressure dropped for few seconds while UFO was above the dam we know from general relativity that such a machine would create a gravitational field that can do that by lifting water and reducing it's weight.

There are hundreds of examples like that.

Tons and tons of circumstantial evidence, eyewitness testimony means that we tons of that stuff, not proof of extraterrestrial visitation. Plenty of just cause to find out if we are though and I agree it's possible, even probable, that various governments might have knowledge the rest of us don't. Don't want to open up that nuts&bolts vs anything else can of worms here.

I'm perfectly willing to look through the telescope. Mainstream Science hasn't always been so willing, and hasn't always been right.

What about all the people who claim alien abduction? Seems like that constitutes a large number of cases, reports, what have you. If we're going to look at the sheer amount of reports, testimony etc. we can't exclude that group. Or shouldn't anyway if we're being honest. Just out of thin air, I've wondered if we have been contacted and aren't understanding that we have. The 'yelling at the fish bowl and what does the fish think' idea.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Agreed, I've lived a long time and Seen some really Beautiful women. But some are captivating, so beautiful you won't see another like them in our lifetimes. The world is full of Unknowable truths.
I have met a few women in my life that blew my socks off.. not only gorgeous but always have the perfect answers or reponses to everything... so full of genuine love that it brings tears because it is so refreshing and inspiring.
They give real honest loving hugs... that warmed me to my soul.

Changed me for the better.
Recently I commented on that.. I told her that it felt like a real hug. That, many people seem to take hugs... but she gives them. Really gives them...

She said, "Of course. Why wouldn't it be?"

One hug... can make a real difference in a persons life... especially when truly given.
 
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