Leaked Photo Surfaces of Purported Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

1963

Noble

John Greenwald is a legend in my particular field of interest and a man that I personally trust as a great source of uncontaminated information... in other words, a 'reliable-go-to-guy' for the real juice! :Thumbsup:

Cheers.
 

1963

Noble
Oh wow. Never saw him before, always listened to the podcast.
Yeah PF, he's a good bloke, we're friends on twitter and FB etc... he always answers and is a solid honest and pleasant guy that just happens to be of just about the same mind-set as myself. .. although I have all of his curiousness and desire for the truth in this field, and he has all of the skill, time and knowhow to actually do something worthwhile about the quest for solid information! :Thumbsup:

Cheers Buddy.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Yeah PF, he's a good bloke, we're friends on twitter and FB etc... he always answers and is a solid honest and pleasant guy that just happens to be of just about the same mind-set as myself. .. although I have all of his curiousness and desire for the truth in this field, and he has all of the skill, time and knowhow to actually do something worthwhile about the quest for solid information! :Thumbsup:

Cheers Buddy.

Agreed. His podcast can be a tad dramatic sounding but I think he's performing a real service here and has been for quite a while. I prefer audio as I usually have headphones or a speaker on while I'm doing something. I know there has been talk here of his behavior on various media outlets - which I could care less about because I am not part of that.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Yeah PF, he's a good bloke, we're friends on twitter and FB etc... he always answers and is a solid honest and pleasant guy that just happens to be of just about the same mind-set as myself. .. although I have all of his curiousness and desire for the truth in this field, and he has all of the skill, time and knowhow to actually do something worthwhile about the quest for solid information! :Thumbsup:

Cheers Buddy.

Well, you pushed me over the edge and I got the app and will follow him. If you notice a profusion of videos posted here it's because this also finally got me to do that too. So it's all your fault :)

Has to start somewhere. For me it was the Paracast some unknown # of years ago when podcasting just wasn't what it is now - I used it as an anti-insanity therapy for heavy duty commuting, service truck stuff.
 

nivek

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I know there has been talk here of his behavior on various media outlets

Thats an understatement lol, the way he's been hammering at Ryan Bledsoe is disgusting...He's arrogant and thinks his shyte doesn't stink, very egotistical, if you disagree with anything he says, if he can't shout you down he will block you on social media...He has a cultish following on Discord, an invite only group of his fans who goes out and gives those a hard time who question the mighty JG, how dare anyone disagree with him...He blocked me on social media back when TTSA first started, he was bad mouthing them out the gate and all I said to him was maybe lighten up a bit and give them a chance to do something first before condemning them...JG has done a lot of great work but its all overshadowed by his arrogance which I have no time for...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Thats an understatement lol, the way he's been hammering at Ryan Bledsoe is disgusting...He's arrogant and thinks his shyte doesn't stink, very egotistical, if you disagree with anything he says, if he can't shout you down he will block you on social media...He has a cultish following on Discord, an invite only group of his fans who goes out and gives those a hard time who question the mighty JG, how dare anyone disagree with him...He blocked me on social media back when TTSA first started, he was bad mouthing them out the gate and all I said to him was maybe lighten up a bit and give them a chance to do something first before condemning them...JG has done a lot of great work but its all overshadowed by his arrogance which I have no time for...

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Oh Gawd. No idea who Ryan Bledsoe is and this is why I don't want to be involved in any of that. Always someone I should be aware of who I am not who is doing fine work - but inevitably has conflict with someone or some group. Thing is, these topics had that undercurrent of catshit to begin with and the gadgetry just enabled it all. I like the FOIA work JG has done, he appears to be pretty free with the information he's posted over the years and I've heard some ego but nothing extraordinary or over the top, par for the course really, from his podcast. More foolishness from Gene S in that regard and I still listened to him for years :)
 
John may be right, maybe theyre playing with us using McMillan to leak easily debunkable stuff, while saying or claiming other things to him, thus confusing everyone. Intelligence games. Thats the problem with unverifiable anonymous leakers and sources, you dont know what their agenda really in the end is.
 
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nivek

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John may be right, maybe theyre playing with us using McMillan to leak easily debunkable stuff, while saying or claiming other things to him, thus confusing everyone. Intelligence games. Thats the problem with unverifiable anonymous leakers and sources, you dont know what their agenda really in the end is.

All good points there and with recent revelations concerning the UAPTF and this image fiasco John may be right about that and they could be being used to dump disinformation and crap TTSA won't touch either lol...

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nivek

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Oh Gawd. No idea who Ryan Bledsoe is and this is why I don't want to be involved in any of that. Always someone I should be aware of who I am not who is doing fine work - but inevitably has conflict with someone or some group. Thing is, these topics had that undercurrent of catshit to begin with and the gadgetry just enabled it all. I like the FOIA work JG has done, he appears to be pretty free with the information he's posted over the years and I've heard some ego but nothing extraordinary or over the top, par for the course really, from his podcast. More foolishness from Gene S in that regard and I still listened to him for years :)


Yeah I don't hate the guy, he's done fabulous work, he's emotionally immature and it shows in his interactions...I read his reports and articles but I really don't watch anyone's podcasts on a regular basis anymore though, I just don't have time to burn on that continuously, but have a little indulgence when a good podcast comes along though lol...

Speaking of which Joe Rogan just did a good one with Vallee and James Fox right here:

The Phenomenon 2020

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nivek

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Nice find, I just asked about this here:



Why am I not surprised I get no comment concerning my query...Sigh, losing more faith in this group by the day...Surely they had to know the photo was in circulation earlier this year...

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nivek

As Above So Below






 
a 'reliable-go-to-guy' for the real juice! :Thumbsup:
Okay well Mr Reliable dropped the balloon on this one - he's citing this article by Anne Davis, but evidently he didn't notice that she's talking about latex party balloons (which can go up above 30K feet), not Mylar balloons - which can't expand as they rise and therefore can't rise above about 8,000 feet. The revealing portion of the text is this:

"Because density is altered by altitude, the helium balloon can reach a height of 9,000 meters, or 29,537 feet. Anything higher than this altitude will cause the helium within the balloon to expand and the balloon to pop."

A little further down she says it explicitly:

"Helium can very easily escape from the balloon through gaps in the rubber polymers used in the balloons' construction"

She's talking about latex helium balloons which expand, not Mylar helium balloons which don't.

There's actually a scientific study on this from 1992, where they empirically determined the maximum altitude for both types of helium-filled party balloons; latex and Mylar:

Balloon Study

Now at this point I don't really care if that object in the photo is something prosaic or if it's something genuinely interesting; I just want to know which one it is. Maybe it is a balloon of some kind.

My point is simple: it's not a helium-filled Mylar Batman balloon like everyone (including JG) is pointing to like it's the answer, because that explanation is physically impossible.

Or maybe the photo itself is faked - a good Photoshop hoax, made by inserting a blurry image of a Mylar Batman balloon into a photo taken of a clear sky above 30K feet in altitude.

There are lots of possibilities, but that Mylar Batman balloon at that altitude isn't one of them.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
This is why people like me prefer to watch this all go by. Only difference between now and years ago is the immediacy of the infighting. It stopped being about the object in the picture ten seconds after it appeared in public - apparently again- and started being about personalities.

Sort of related to this. I was listening to this yesterday: 099 - E-2 Hawkeye – The Fighter Pilot Podcast

At roughly the 1 hour and again at 1:19 NFO Alan Schiaffino talks about the Nimitz incident, as does the host 'Jello' who was on board at the time too. The newly minted Captain is obviously very excited to be asked about the incident. One of the Hawkeye crewmembers claims to have had a very close range look at it and that their sensor data was taken from them upon return.

Is it just me or did I pick up on something ? Personalities again maybe? I'd like to ask Aiello about it after buying him two or three too many drinks.
 

1963

Noble
Okay well Mr Reliable dropped the balloon on this one - he's citing this article by Anne Davis, but evidently he didn't notice that she's talking about latex party balloons (which can go up above 30K feet), not Mylar balloons - which can't expand as they rise and therefore can't rise above about 8,000 feet. The revealing portion of the text is this:

"Because density is altered by altitude, the helium balloon can reach a height of 9,000 meters, or 29,537 feet. Anything higher than this altitude will cause the helium within the balloon to expand and the balloon to pop."

A little further down she says it explicitly:

"Helium can very easily escape from the balloon through gaps in the rubber polymers used in the balloons' construction"

She's talking about latex helium balloons which expand, not Mylar helium balloons which don't.

There's actually a scientific study on this from 1992, where they empirically determined the maximum altitude for both types of helium-filled party balloons; latex and Mylar:

Balloon Study

Now at this point I don't really care if that object in the photo is something prosaic or if it's something genuinely interesting; I just want to know which one it is. Maybe it is a balloon of some kind.

My point is simple: it's not a helium-filled Mylar Batman balloon like everyone (including JG) is pointing to like it's the answer, because that explanation is physically impossible.

Or maybe the photo itself is faked - a good Photoshop hoax, made by inserting a blurry image of a Mylar Batman balloon into a photo taken of a clear sky above 30K feet in altitude.

There are lots of possibilities, but that Mylar Batman balloon at that altitude isn't one of them.
Okay well Mr Reliable dropped the balloon on this one - he's citing this article by Anne Davis, but evidently he didn't notice that she's talking about latex party balloons (which can go up above 30K feet), not Mylar balloons - which can't expand as they rise and therefore can't rise above about 8,000 feet. The revealing portion of the text is this:

"Because density is altered by altitude, the helium balloon can reach a height of 9,000 meters, or 29,537 feet. Anything higher than this altitude will cause the helium within the balloon to expand and the balloon to pop."

A little further down she says it explicitly:

"Helium can very easily escape from the balloon through gaps in the rubber polymers used in the balloons' construction"

She's talking about latex helium balloons which expand, not Mylar helium balloons which don't.

There's actually a scientific study on this from 1992, where they empirically determined the maximum altitude for both types of helium-filled party balloons; latex and Mylar:

Balloon Study

Now at this point I don't really care if that object in the photo is something prosaic or if it's something genuinely interesting; I just want to know which one it is. Maybe it is a balloon of some kind.

My point is simple: it's not a helium-filled Mylar Batman balloon like everyone (including JG) is pointing to like it's the answer, because that explanation is physically impossible.

Or maybe the photo itself is faked - a good Photoshop hoax, made by inserting a blurry image of a Mylar Batman balloon into a photo taken of a clear sky above 30K feet in altitude.

There are lots of possibilities, but that Mylar Batman balloon at that altitude isn't one of them.
Hi Thomas, Yes I already posted that link in an earlier post in which I said that it couldn't have been 'A Mylar Balloon' at the altitude ascribed to it, and I thought that i'd made my opinion that this whole 'episode' was in fact just another intentional 'obfuscatory disinformation mess' designed to throw yet another spanner in the workings of the UFO community by 'the bogeymen' ! ... for instance, I have since learned that the metadata on the photo does not add up at all, and that despite the photo being touted as being from 2018 .. the data contradicts this by proving that it wasn't taken until a year later! ... The defence of this disparity from McMillan was that "it was a photo of a photo" ... to which there have been several 'experts' that have denied this possibility. ... there is also the glaring fact that this 'great breaking news with brand new photographic evidence' is in fact a total misnomer, because this photograph has been around and posted online in May by Blake S Taylor ... again without explanation or metadata to check details with!
So no my friend, I do not argue with the fact that it couldn't be a mylar balloon at 30k ft, but I do think that the picture is of the 'Batman Balloon' that I have been posting since shortly after seeing the picture, but not taken at the altitude that the report states! ... Anyway mate as always I could be wrong, but it's my belief that this case is only of interest because of the 'triangular UFO photo' that had been announced to be coming our way , as in fact been replaced with this piss-poor stir-causing disinformation article that has accomplished it's goal by weakening the credibility of the community and some of it's members. ... And yes, JG was in error by using the wrong ballooning statistics, but the general gist of "this could just be an intentional bit of disinformation' that he was getting at, is in sink with my own personal discernment of this situation. ... And anyone can make mistakes, and I said he was reliable, not flawless [who is?] and have not yet come across the arrogance or vindictiveness that our friend Nivek has seen from him so i'll stand by my assessment of John being a genuine guy. ... for now anyway. :Thumbsup: ... Here is Kieth Basterfields up to date assessment of this ... Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - scientific research: A history of, and some comments about, a purported UAP photograph (ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com)

Cheers Buddy.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Hi Thomas, Yes I already posted that link in an earlier post in which I said that it couldn't have been 'A Mylar Balloon' at the altitude ascribed to it, and I thought that i'd made my opinion that this whole 'episode' was in fact just another intentional 'obfuscatory disinformation mess' designed to throw yet another spanner in the workings of the UFO community by 'the bogeymen' ! ... for instance, I have since learned that the metadata on the photo does not add up at all, and that despite the photo being touted as being from 2018 .. the data contradicts this by proving that it wasn't taken until a year later! ... The defence of this disparity from McMillan was that "it was a photo of a photo" ... to which there have been several 'experts' that have denied this possibility. ... there is also the glaring fact that this 'great breaking news with brand new photographic evidence' is in fact a total misnomer, because this photograph has been around and posted online in May by Blake S Taylor ... again without explanation or metadata to check details with!
So no my friend, I do not argue with the fact that it couldn't be a mylar balloon at 30k ft, but I do think that the picture is of the 'Batman Balloon' that I have been posting since shortly after seeing the picture, but not taken at the altitude that the report states! ... Anyway mate as always I could be wrong, but it's my belief that this case is only of interest because of the 'triangular UFO photo' that had been announced to be coming our way , as in fact been replaced with this piss-poor stir-causing disinformation article that has accomplished it's goal by weakening the credibility of the community and some of it's members. ... And yes, JG was in error by using the wrong ballooning statistics, but the general gist of "this could just be an intentional bit of disinformation' that he was getting at, is in sink with my own personal discernment of this situation. ... And anyone can make mistakes, and I said he was reliable, not flawless [who is?] and have not yet come across the arrogance or vindictiveness that our friend Nivek has seen from him so i'll stand by my assessment of John being a genuine guy. ... for now anyway. :Thumbsup: ... Here is Kieth Basterfields up to date assessment of this ... Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - scientific research: A history of, and some comments about, a purported UAP photograph (ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com)

Cheers Buddy.

I just listened to the most recent Black Vault episode that talks about this. JG sums up my thoughts on all this pretty well.

Just to put my spin on it; nothing much has changed since I first started bringing UFO magazines and supermarket rags to grade school to talk about. The only reason the DoD changed it's reporting procedures is because of the profusion of terrestrial UAVs. There really are a lot of weird terrestrial things flying around and a policy that inhibits reports of sightings is one that leaves various assets at potential risk. They're playing the same game they always have; maskirovka. Expecting a straight answer from that direction is nuts. I don't doubt there is a real extraterrestrial component to this and that they probably have secrets locked away but am not holding my breath to find out. And even if they opened the hanger doors and let us all see - there would be ten seconds of stunned silence before the infighting and carping and bitching started all over again. And many still wouldn't believe it.

This is why I say our best hope is Ariel School or Father Gill type incidents, especially now with the profusion of phones/cameras and instant communication. Not exactly a White House lawn landing - preferable I would think.
 
Hi Thomas, Yes I already posted that link in an earlier post in which I said that it couldn't have been 'A Mylar Balloon' at the altitude ascribed to it, and I thought that i'd made my opinion that this whole 'episode' was in fact just another intentional 'obfuscatory disinformation mess' designed to throw yet another spanner in the workings of the UFO community by 'the bogeymen' ! ... for instance, I have since learned that the metadata on the photo does not add up at all, and that despite the photo being touted as being from 2018 .. the data contradicts this by proving that it wasn't taken until a year later! ... The defence of this disparity from McMillan was that "it was a photo of a photo" ... to which there have been several 'experts' that have denied this possibility. ... there is also the glaring fact that this 'great breaking news with brand new photographic evidence' is in fact a total misnomer, because this photograph has been around and posted online in May by Blake S Taylor ... again without explanation or metadata to check details with!
So no my friend, I do not argue with the fact that it couldn't be a mylar balloon at 30k ft, but I do think that the picture is of the 'Batman Balloon' that I have been posting since shortly after seeing the picture, but not taken at the altitude that the report states! ... Anyway mate as always I could be wrong, but it's my belief that this case is only of interest because of the 'triangular UFO photo' that had been announced to be coming our way , as in fact been replaced with this piss-poor stir-causing disinformation article that has accomplished it's goal by weakening the credibility of the community and some of it's members. ... And yes, JG was in error by using the wrong ballooning statistics, but the general gist of "this could just be an intentional bit of disinformation' that he was getting at, is in sink with my own personal discernment of this situation. ... And anyone can make mistakes, and I said he was reliable, not flawless [who is?] and have not yet come across the arrogance or vindictiveness that our friend Nivek has seen from him so i'll stand by my assessment of John being a genuine guy. ... for now anyway. :Thumbsup: ... Here is Kieth Basterfields up to date assessment of this ... Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - scientific research: A history of, and some comments about, a purported UAP photograph (ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com)

Cheers Buddy.
Yeah I agree that, given the complete absence of anything to indicate that this photo is in any way related to the UAPTF report, or that it's anomalous in any sense at all, the best theory that I can see is that Tim McMillan got punked by an anonymous source - probably some IC insider employed to discredit people like Tim McMillan and the ufo field in general. It's always bad practice to rely upon anonymous sources, and incidents like this one...and the factless >4-year RussiaGate fiasco...prove that.

Even more bewildering is the proliferation of articles referring to the blob in question as a "cube"...that object in no way resembles a cube. Nor does it resemble a black triangle with rounded edges and hemispherical lights underneath. So it appears to have no relation to the UAPTF report whatsoever.

In fact the only thing that makes this photo in any way noteworthy, is that it was taken in the cockpit of a fighter jet, and shows some anonymous blob at high altitude.

But equally annoying to me as the absence of any reason to care about this photo, are the net-wide and facile declarations of simpletons who are absolutely convinced that the blob in question is that Batman Mylar party balloon. A casual acquaintance of mine recently took this photo to the photo analytics wing of an air force intelligence unit, and they estimated the altitude of the photo at around 45K feet - significantly above my initial altitude estimate of 35K feet. And yet lots of people (such as JG) are assuming that this photo depicts a Mylar party balloon at this kind of altitude - and they're spreading that fake news like a virus all over the internet. That really irks me, because spreading falsehoods does a disservice to the search for truth...whatever it may be.

More people need to realize that there are far more extensive forces within the US intelligence community that want to hide the truth and discredit this field of inquiry, than there are patriots willing to reveal the truth to the public.

If anything good is to come of this fiasco, it will require that people like Tim McMillan adopt a higher standard of proof than just some lone ahole anonymous source in the IC "leaking" a red herring to make us all look like idiots.

The truth is out there. But it's going to take a whole lot more than lazy reporting and unverifiable info from anonymous sources, in order to find it.
 

nivek

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