Reincarnation

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Hi guys, late to the party again lol, firstly I would like to state that I am by no means any kind of 'expert' on this branch of the unexplained, and though I have recognised it's gravitas as pertaining to 'the meaning of life' from way-back in my history, I have chosen to dedicate my meagre 'life-studying-time' to other aspects of the 'extraordinary' [i.e. the ETH], but that is not to say that this intriguing aspect of the paranormal world has totally passed me by. I have read several books, many articles and watched my share of T.V shows featuring a goodly array of these tales of 'reincarnation', and found some of them to be pretty compelling.
And as I see it, as in most 'paranormal claims' , whichever field Scientists ask for data to be both consistent and reproducible. So in order for science to accept accounts of reincarnation or life after death, they would have to be able to verify those results - and their doctrine is that it would have to be consistent and reproducible under laboratory conditions. [which anyone knows is not always practicable] In terms of reincarnation, proponents would have to be able to forensically verify the details of the previous life, with corroborated evidence from people who knew that person, or could demonstrate that the child or new individual would be able to verify specific details that no one else could know. [which is entirely antithetical as there by definition must be someone or something to corroborate the proposed information] . In terms of life after death, it would be required to have the person “who is still in existence” to be able verify details about their lifetime, or be able to offer “new information” from that perspective that is verifiable or forensically accurate.
I am not what you would call 'a big fan' of regressive hypnosis as I have previously stated in conjunction with 'Alien-Abduction cases' because of my belief that there is too much wiggle-room for autosuggestion, false-interpretation and suggestibility, and similarly Science does not consider things valid if there’s a possibility of bias (particularly hypnosis) or that the results are not consistent and reproducible. That being said - if the results were consistent and reproducible, then those results would surely be identified as being data If the reincarnation cases had verifiable information that could only be known to the subject and not to the mesmerist. .. Even so, I see the potential for collaboration between the two parties given the possible monetary and prestigious-celebrity rewards.
However, all that said... I am [as some of you may already know] not what you might exactly label "a scientifically-proven sort of guy', inasmuch as I believe that I am more practical and honest than that! … If this sounds inflammatory and unsophisticated , then so-be-it! … For me, science is and always has been a great tool that mankind has been trying to perfect throughout history, as far back as any of the ancients that you might like to mention, and all the way through to the present day. It has been an invaluable tool and it's various discipline's have been utilised to make many great forward-moving advances in humanities progression . All great stuff!, but just as the practicality of science has been used to aid the discardment of religion and the need for god, then in that same vein of practicality science itself should not be substituted in that position of omniscience when being interpreted by entities that posses a very limited, flawed and biased understanding of the whole creation on both a cosmic and local scale. In other words I believe that sometimes we don't have to fully understand just why, how and where things are, for our common sense to know that it just is!... And though i'm not quite prepared to exclaim that "for sure, reincarnation is real", I will say that "I just don't know how abundant it might be... but I am presently of a mind that it is a reality and some cases I have seen are proof enough for me!" no matter the scientific stance.

Cheers.

Well said.

I find it strange to say this because I wouldn't describe myself as spiritual and am not religious but the thought of no 'need for god' seems a bit unsettling. No matter how secular you are what you imagine might be beyond the edge of the campfire can still keep you up at night.
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
I always got the impression shadow people are one of George Noory's favorite topics.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
That's one of the best ones here in the West. The young man met the pilot's sister and surviving comrades. They're all convinced it's him.

USS Natoma Bay

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Kchoo

At Peace.
When you die, your gone. Yes, SOME of the impact of your existence lingers.
However, in a hundred years, no one will care who you are or what you did, and your impact is mitigated.

COSMIC energy may be recycled, and tiny particles of you may be re-formed into another lifeform... but, YOU wont be coming back. Nor do you go and sit on a cloud and play a harp...
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
When you die, your gone. Yes, SOME of the impact of your existence lingers.
However, in a hundred years, no one will care who you are or what you did, and your impact is mitigated.

COSMIC energy may be recycled, and tiny particles of you may be re-formed into another lifeform... but, YOU wont be coming back. Nor do you go and sit on a cloud and play a harp...

Tell that to James Leininger/Huston. That one's not so easy to explain
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Tell that to James Leininger/Huston. That one's not so easy to explain

Nihilism isn't concerned about particulars, they typically think all people come into this world for the same reasons and same purposes and all will die the same way...

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Kchoo

At Peace.
If advanced technologist downloaded James' mind and recreate this coding in another human, then I SUPPOSE that would be a form of reincarnation-
James 4th as the case may be- IF aliens decided to make him a subject of that kind of experiment- Seems more likely than a spontaneous reincarnation.

?......

So.. nihilism suggests that everything is pointless.. But, there must be a point somewhere, otherwise why would these types of things happen?
:)

Maybe there is an afterlife.
I had an 'OBE' when young, and wondered, but see no scientific evidence of such.

But, MAYBE we, or some, ARE given a choice to move on to an afterlife or to come back if they feel they have something more to contribute? That might explain the occasional case like James the 4th.

I see little value in becoming a ghost, or a spirit. It just doesn't seem like it has much impact on anything.

IF it did... the world should be a much more awesome place due to all that wisdom that would be bestowed to us by our ancestors! :)
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I only look at it one way: part of that dead pilot certainly seems to be part of that kid. No idea about the mechanism involved or the reasoning behind it.
 

JahaRa

Noble
If advanced technologist downloaded James' mind and recreate this coding in another human, then I SUPPOSE that would be a form of reincarnation-
James 4th as the case may be- IF aliens decided to make him a subject of that kind of experiment- Seems more likely than a spontaneous reincarnation.

?......

So.. nihilism suggests that everything is pointless.. But, there must be a point somewhere, otherwise why would these types of things happen?
:)

Maybe there is an afterlife.
I had an 'OBE' when young, and wondered, but see no scientific evidence of such.

But, MAYBE we, or some, ARE given a choice to move on to an afterlife or to come back if they feel they have something more to contribute? That might explain the occasional case like James the 4th.

I see little value in becoming a ghost, or a spirit. It just doesn't seem like it has much impact on anything.

IF it did... the world should be a much more awesome place due to all that wisdom that would be bestowed to us by our ancestors! :)
My OBE's and other experiences cause me to know that we are more than the sum of our physical parts. There is no way we can know what those non-physical connections we have are, what purpose they serve, why we are experiencing being a human on planet earth or what is actually real about our non-physical experiences. There is no perspective as long as we inhabit a human body. All we can get are glimpses and very little context to glean any meaning.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
Im kinda mixed on the whole afterlife thing. Im in a position that its unknown and better left that way. The concept of soul is also an odd one. Where does it come from, are souls born out of something? Can they cease? Do animals also have souls?

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There is a soul/life force energy to all life.
They come from a source we are a long way from understanding, though many of the religious think they do.
They can never cease.

IMHO
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Just came across this browsing around...

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Kchoo

At Peace.
My OBE's and other experiences cause me to know that we are more than the sum of our physical parts. There is no way we can know what those non-physical connections we have are, what purpose they serve, why we are experiencing being a human on planet earth or what is actually real about our non-physical experiences. There is no perspective as long as we inhabit a human body. All we can get are glimpses and very little context to glean any meaning.

Me and you, you and me.
I was good dare to be bettered
So to you who is me I wrote this letter
I had a life you do not live
You live the life I will not

Succeed you can
Or deal with me again
Not a dream you were there
As you and I are tethered
 
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Rick Hunter

Celestial
I've come to conclude my life is a daily soap opera currently in season 43. Every day is a new episode with a different script handed to me. I have no input on what happens in the script, I can only play it the best I can. Just like on television, I make good and bad choices and deal with the consequences. I sincerely hope that, when this one concludes, I will have impressed the audience enough to be invited to star in another one. I'm not entirely joking about this!
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I know what you mean. I get it.

You think we have wiring to make us feel this way for some obscure evolutionary purpose?

Or is it like being in a tunnel under a river and sensing water pressure on the wall ?
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I tend to look at the 'yous' and 'Is' as different facets of our personalities. I look back at old video and think 'I'm not that person anymore' but a detailed analysis would reveal the teeth and scars match so yeah, it's still me. The idea that there is more to our existence than what we see here is comforting but there is an awful lot of supposition in there, and as I've said that sort of thinking might be present for more mundane evolutionary reasons. Otherwise we'd be a species of complete sociopaths like our Neandertal cousins were supposed to be. And I hadn't noted any around to chat with about this.

Assuming there really is some hidden mechanism at work another comforting thought is that we are very special and our lives have been preplanned and we are here to learn and grow. Well, that certainly sounds nice and that's why it's on so many brochures. What would you say to James Leininger about that though? You know what that and all other 'remembrance of past life' cases says to me? It says that if you stop to think about it it's a system with billions of pieces that would have to have a tremendous amount of daily turnover. They used to point to the Saturn V rockets and Space Shuttles as they sat on the pads prior to launch and talk about the X million number of parts that all have to work perfectly and even an infinitesimal error rate still adds up to a notable number of bits that don't. Statistically a certain number just won't - unavoidable in such a complex system. I'm a little worried that Life-Death-Life cycle cases like James Leininger are the statistical error and they're just stuck in the damned pipe somehow. Maybe that's a lifetime of repairing things talking. Maybe ghosts are some residual from the process.

The other thought is that if we have lived umpteen previous lives then everything that makes up the current 'You' or 'I' if it really does survive bodily death is really only one piece of a more complex entity.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
I've come to conclude my life is a daily soap opera currently in season 43. Every day is a new episode with a different script handed to me. I have no input on what happens in the script, I can only play it the best I can. Just like on television, I make good and bad choices and deal with the consequences. I sincerely hope that, when this one concludes, I will have impressed the audience enough to be invited to star in another one. I'm not entirely joking about this!

Guide others around you as they need direction.

Be honest about what you are feeling with sincere gratitude towards your feelings.

Put a foot solidly on the ground and state your position- setting limits where they need to be.

Contain your words of protective leadership with tones caring as if they are you.

Make them know you and by knowing you, they will acknowledge and respect you.

And the script around will change to suit your lead role. .
 

nivek

As Above So Below
we are very special and our lives have been preplanned and we are here to learn and grow. Well, that certainly sounds nice and that's why it's on so many brochures.

There's a lot of daydreaming and imagination that goes into making those brochures lol...Some people have a difficult time seeing themselves as they truly are at any given moment, and for some its downright impossible...Their lives, their minds, have stirred in so much imagination and wishful thinking over the years, along with a few piles of one's own bs...Later in life its difficult to separate the real bits from the made up bits after so much mixing and blending...That makes one I observing another I so much more difficult, the water is muddied, a puddle of one's own doing, but it makes for good brochures...

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