The State of Ufology

nivek

As Above So Below
I received an email a couple of days ago from Richard Dolan. On 5/20 he was holding a teleconference for the complete day. It included an “exclusive” interview with Luis Elizondo on UFO Secrecy. The price for a whole day of chatter, a mere $139. They must not have gotten the response they were expecting. I received a “It’s Your Last Chance” email.

If anyone is interested you have 30 days to listen repeatedly for your $139. Just go to Dolan’s website. I’m afraid I will have to pass.

Richard Dolan will be on Coast to Coast this evening discussing recent news and disclosure...

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Luis says hes filing an IG complaint about the Pentagon's lies about him. There might be something brewing in the background to try to take him down. Wonder if he's about to become a martyr for the UFO disclosure.
Ex-official who revealed UFO project accuses Pentagon of 'disinformation' campaign

He's already been talking about that theyre watering down the report that should be due next month. Sabotaging and resisting it, and another IG evaluation is already looking at them. I would not be surprised if not much would be there anyway, all the juicy stuff might have already been moved to the hands of private enterprises, and the government can't really touch those, unfortunately.

I would also not be that shocked, if in the end we end up with another Condon report. But hopefully this time because of general distrust and the social media and internet, it will not be that easy to just sweep this all under the rug again. The more you tighten your grip, the more people will slip through your fingers to the doubter side.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
If the report simply clarifies what AATIP was and Elizondo's role was specifically I'd be happy. It probably won't. John Greenewald probably has a fair take on it. The past couple of episodes of The Black Vault have covered this.
 

Cosmic Cat

Honorable
They can hold their breath till the cows come home but the only thing that will be disclosed is only what they want them to see....UFO Fanatics are creaming in their fruit of the looms over this bill that requires the government to report UFOS! News flash! All they have to do is attach classified to it and game over!

As far as secret goes which I always hear just what secret are they covering up or hiding? What would anyone in the general public do with the info if it were disclosed? Make a fake ass You Tube Video! And there are millions of amateur astronomers out there looking at the sky everyday and yet they see nothing! Kind of suspect if you ask me..

All this shit with the military is only a software glitch...
 

Cosmic Cat

Honorable
Luis says hes filing an IG complaint about the Pentagon's lies about him. There might be something brewing in the background to try to take him down. Wonder if he's about to become a martyr for the UFO disclosure.
Ex-official who revealed UFO project accuses Pentagon of 'disinformation' campaign

He's already been talking about that theyre watering down the report that should be due next month. Sabotaging and resisting it, and another IG evaluation is already looking at them. I would not be surprised if not much would be there anyway, all the juicy stuff might have already been moved to the hands of private enterprises, and the government can't really touch those, unfortunately.

I would also not be that shocked, if in the end we end up with another Condon report. But hopefully this time because of general distrust and the social media and internet, it will not be that easy to just sweep this all under the rug again. The more you tighten your grip, the more people will slip through your fingers to the doubter side.

Nothing to report..Elizondo got all pissed off and took his ball and went home....Contrary to what some believe he's no god and just because some one was in the Pentagon does not mean they had access to anything..Elizondo never f'ing saw the AATIP program, its bullshit that he ran it.
 
Of course not, proving that definitively requires more than pics. It remains as a possibility though, especially when you look at the history of the subject, what these things allegedly can do and have been doing a long time, around the globe.

"All this shit with the military is only a software glitch..."

Well this is a handwave if I ever saw one. They must have had a lot of glitches and incompetent personnel if true, makes me worry for the US military.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Nothing to report..Elizondo got all pissed off and took his ball and went home....Contrary to what some believe he's no god and just because some one was in the Pentagon does not mean they had access to anything..Elizondo never f'ing saw the AATIP program, its bullshit that he ran it.

I wonder why he even got involved with the likes of Tom Delonge, that's like mixing oil and water lol...

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Cosmic Cat

Honorable
Of course not, proving that definitively requires more than pics. It remains as a possibility though, especially when you look at the history of the subject, what these things allegedly can do and have been doing a long time, around the globe.

"All this shit with the military is only a software glitch..."

Well this is a handwave if I ever saw one. They must have had a lot of glitches and incompetent personnel if true, makes me worry for the US military.

Mam made dude...And it can fail and it does....Sure I believe the pilots maybe seeing something no doubt.....But until it can be proven that what "I am seeing" is vehicles from another planet its all high powered science fiction....Remember what the "U" in UFO stands for "Unidentified"...
 

Cosmic Cat

Honorable
At least not publicly...

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You see there is the catch to me......They can hide this shit from US Presidents, Senators, Heads of State etc.., and nothing is said...So what makes John Q Public think that it's owed an explanation? They are not! The military is concerned about our pilots safety and so should the public since it could be their sons or daughters flying around up there..
 

August

Metanoia
Some say its Chinese drones well I find that hard to believe if you take a look at the Chinese Mars explorer trashcan they landed on Mars. These Tic Tac's can do 18,000 mph with no sonic booms, drop en masse from 80,000 ft to sea level in 1 second flat and dive into the ocean at over 100 mph and still do 100 mph when under the water (?) . Some are a bit bigger than drones they are fighter aircraft size according to the US Navy pilots that witnessed them. Are the Chinese and Russians being pestered by these Tic Tac things (?) if they are then the answer is no one that we know of have these things.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The idea of UFOs being alien spaceships has been incredibly useful to the US military for very terrestrial and mundane purposes. Also proven useful to frauds and other predators. There's the phenomenon itself, then there's our reaction to it. Two different things. The sincere are mixed with those who are not. So we form our own reactive groups and snipe at one another while whatever it is continues about its business without any organized effort on our part to figure out what, if anything, it really is.

There have been too many strange reports going back too far to casually dismiss this. Problem is it's like panning for gold. You have to go through a lot of nothing to get to the good bits. Short of a landing and a wave hello what sort of proof could anyone expect that would actually be accepted as proof of alien visitation? An airplane full of nuns who took HD video of a giant skyscraper sized space ship would still have people calling them liars, or deceived, or whatever.

As I've said, UFOs buzzing US Navy warships in the same general training area sounds like a military adventure of some kind, not ET. TTSA seemed like a good way to fund Lue's retirement but that didn't seem to work out, maybe speaking out on his own will help get the bills paid. He has Knapp and Corbell to help with that. To poach John Greenewald, Bigelow had his sweetheart deal and I think the motivations behind his interests might have been sincere. If you had money and connections you'd do something like that too.

How much differently would we look at all this if Charles Berlitz and Bill Moore hadn't written The Roswell Incident? Or if Whitley Streiber failed to write Communion ? What if George Knapp had simply had a cold one day and failed to ever hook up with Colm Kelleher? Just a caution that we often take our ideas about this from pop culture
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
How much differently would we look at all this if Charles Berlitz and Bill Moore hadn't written The Roswell Incident?

... and while I'm thinking about it Moore actually came right out at a convention in front of his peers and said it was all BS, that they had all been duped. Angry muttering, disbelief. He must be a disinformation agent.

How would ufology be different if everyone in that room had believed him? I think ufology is the primary impediment to ufology
 

JahaRa

Noble
Of course not, proving that definitively requires more than pics. It remains as a possibility though, especially when you look at the history of the subject, what these things allegedly can do and have been doing a long time, around the globe.

"All this shit with the military is only a software glitch..."

Well this is a handwave if I ever saw one. They must have had a lot of glitches and incompetent personnel if true, makes me worry for the US military.
You should worry. I was in the U.S. Army for 3 years and there is a lot of incompetence (officers as well as enlisted). And while that incompetence is going on there are experiments done on unsuspecting enlisted people, medical, chemical, mental experiments and once you are chosen for an experiment there is no getting out of it. And then there is the element of window dressing units that have a back room where something totally different is going on while the rest of the unit is told to pretend like they are doing their job, but there is no real job. I was in a unit like that in Germany, it's real purpose at that time was to hide spies.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
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nivek

As Above So Below
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North Korean Defector Shares Fascinating Perspective on UFOs and Extraterrestrials

While the UFO phenomenon and the possible existence of aliens are wildly popular subjects in numerous countries around the world, a North Korean defector says that residents of the hermit kingdom are largely either uninterested or outright unaware of these topics. The fascinating perspective was shared by Hyun-seung Lee, who fled the country in 2014, as part of a series known as 'Ask a North Korean' from the website NK News. Questioned as to whether or not North Koreans believe in UFOs, he explained that "very few people" in the country care about the subject and provided some remarkable insight into why that is the case.

According to Lee, while state-run television in the country "has occasionally screened foreign science documentaries containing UFO stories," residents are unable to independently obtain any books or movies about the subject. Additionally, he noted that schools in North Korea do not teach students very much about space aside from "planets and that's about it." Although this has changed somewhat as the country has begun developing intercontinental ballistic missiles and satellites, Lee says that "most North Korean people are not that interested" in space or the possibility that there could be alien beings living somewhere out in the universe.

While some residents who have been afforded the opportunity to study abroad may be aware of the phenomenon, the defector revealed that 'the word 'UFO' likely isn’t even part of the vocabulary of the average North Korean." Similarly, Lee said, if someone were asked what they thought about extraterrestrials "most people would simply draw a blank." Thinking back to his time in school, the defector could not recall "ever discussing the possibility of extraterrestrial life with anyone during my years as a student in North Korea." While one might suspect that perhaps the topic is simply verboten in public, the defector said that this is not the case, stressing that "it's not even something North Koreans talk about in secret."

Beyond the lack of available information concerning UFOs and aliens, he indicated that speculating about these subjects is understandably a luxury that most residents of the hermit kingdom simply cannot afford given the daily hardships they face. "Most North Koreans spend morning to night concerned with how they can trade on the market to scrape by amid government-enforced compulsory labor," Lee mused, "when do they have time to take an interest in extraterrestrials?" The defector's insights provide a sobering glimpse into a world wherein there is no debate over UFOs and aliens, since they simply do not exist in the minds of the average person.


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