nivek
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On the sci-fi show The Orville, in one episode, an alien referenced humans as the hillbillies of the galaxy lol...
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The State of Ufology
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On the sci-fi show The Orville, in one episode, an alien referenced humans as the hillbillies of the galaxy lol...
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Metanoia
There is a barbed wire fence out by the orbit of Pluto with a sign saying 'Keep Out'.
nivek
As Above So Below
Here's an interesting survey, more people are associating UFOs with aliens...
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Larger Minority in U.S. Says Some UFOs Are Alien Spacecraft
More Americans are taking UFOs seriously than just two years ago. When asked which of two theories better explains UFO sightings, 41% of adults now believe some UFOs involve alien spacecraft from other planets, up eight points from 33% in 2019. Half of Americans, down from 60% in 2019, remain skeptical, saying all UFO sightings can be explained by human activity or natural phenomena. Another 9% are unwilling to venture a guess.
The recent change spans a period when UFOs have received significant coverage in mainstream news publications. This includes a spate of articles in 2019 focused on leaked footage of mysterious flying objects taken by Navy pilots. While the Department of Defense has not suggested these or any UFOs involve alien visitors, the Navy has acknowledged the leaked video is authentic, and in 2020, it commissioned a task force to study "unidentified aerial phenomena" (UAP).
The latest Gallup results are based on a telephone poll conducted July 6-21. This was less than a month after the Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued its preliminary report on UAPs, stating that the various types of incidents examined likely fall into one of five categories: "airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, [U.S. government] or U.S. industry development programs, foreign adversary systems and a catchall 'other' bin." The 2019 survey was conducted Aug. 1-14, several months after the Navy UFO footage was first leaked.
Gallup's History of Measuring Americans' Views on UFOs
From 1973 to 2019, Gallup tracked whether Americans thought UFO sightings involved "something real," as opposed to "just people's imaginations." This wording found between 47% and 57% believing they were real, including 56% in 2019. However, it wasn't clear from the question whether "real" meant people thought UFOs involved alien visitors or earthly objects such as drones, military planes or unusual cloud formations.
To address that uncertainty, in a separate 2019 poll, Gallup first asked whether any UFOs have been alien spacecraft, with no questions about UFOs immediately preceding it in the survey. Today's update replicated that methodology, thus providing a reliable trend.
College Graduates No Longer the Most Skeptical
Belief that alien spacecraft have visited Earth has risen among most societal subgroups since 2019, with slightly larger increases seen among men and among middle-aged and college-educated adults compared with their counterparts.
The rise in this view among college-educated adults is particularly notable because it may reflect their greater attention to news compared with adults who are not college educated.
The new poll also shows men moving ahead of women in believing that some UFOs have been alien visitors to Earth. Forty-four percent of men now take this position, up from 34% in 2019. By contrast, 38% of women currently hold this view, little changed from 33%.
Middle-aged adults' belief in visits by alien spacecraft increased the most of all age groups, rising 13 points to 45%. Their views now match those of adults aged 18 to 34, while contrasting with the 37% of adults 55 and older.
The views of White and non-White adults, as well as Republicans and Democrats, have been similar to the national average in both years that Gallup has asked the question.
Bottom Line
With more mainstream news coverage of UFOs in recent years, and the government taking sightings more seriously, the idea that UFOs could be alien spacecraft doesn't seem as far-fetched to Americans as it did even two years ago. Meanwhile, the government seems more focused on determining if the threat is coming from foreign governments rather than other planets, and half of Americans continue to presume there is an Earth-based explanation for all such sightings.
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Larger Minority in U.S. Says Some UFOs Are Alien Spacecraft
More Americans are taking UFOs seriously than just two years ago. When asked which of two theories better explains UFO sightings, 41% of adults now believe some UFOs involve alien spacecraft from other planets, up eight points from 33% in 2019. Half of Americans, down from 60% in 2019, remain skeptical, saying all UFO sightings can be explained by human activity or natural phenomena. Another 9% are unwilling to venture a guess.
The recent change spans a period when UFOs have received significant coverage in mainstream news publications. This includes a spate of articles in 2019 focused on leaked footage of mysterious flying objects taken by Navy pilots. While the Department of Defense has not suggested these or any UFOs involve alien visitors, the Navy has acknowledged the leaked video is authentic, and in 2020, it commissioned a task force to study "unidentified aerial phenomena" (UAP).
The latest Gallup results are based on a telephone poll conducted July 6-21. This was less than a month after the Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued its preliminary report on UAPs, stating that the various types of incidents examined likely fall into one of five categories: "airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, [U.S. government] or U.S. industry development programs, foreign adversary systems and a catchall 'other' bin." The 2019 survey was conducted Aug. 1-14, several months after the Navy UFO footage was first leaked.
Gallup's History of Measuring Americans' Views on UFOs
From 1973 to 2019, Gallup tracked whether Americans thought UFO sightings involved "something real," as opposed to "just people's imaginations." This wording found between 47% and 57% believing they were real, including 56% in 2019. However, it wasn't clear from the question whether "real" meant people thought UFOs involved alien visitors or earthly objects such as drones, military planes or unusual cloud formations.
To address that uncertainty, in a separate 2019 poll, Gallup first asked whether any UFOs have been alien spacecraft, with no questions about UFOs immediately preceding it in the survey. Today's update replicated that methodology, thus providing a reliable trend.
College Graduates No Longer the Most Skeptical
Belief that alien spacecraft have visited Earth has risen among most societal subgroups since 2019, with slightly larger increases seen among men and among middle-aged and college-educated adults compared with their counterparts.
The rise in this view among college-educated adults is particularly notable because it may reflect their greater attention to news compared with adults who are not college educated.
- The percentage of college graduates believing some UFOs have been alien spacecraft is up 10 points, from 27% in 2019 -- the lowest that year for any major demographic group -- to 37% today.
- Adults with some college education show a similar, nine-point increase in belief -- from 40% to 49%.
- Belief rose just four points -- not a statistically significant change -- to 39% among those with no college education.
The new poll also shows men moving ahead of women in believing that some UFOs have been alien visitors to Earth. Forty-four percent of men now take this position, up from 34% in 2019. By contrast, 38% of women currently hold this view, little changed from 33%.
Middle-aged adults' belief in visits by alien spacecraft increased the most of all age groups, rising 13 points to 45%. Their views now match those of adults aged 18 to 34, while contrasting with the 37% of adults 55 and older.
The views of White and non-White adults, as well as Republicans and Democrats, have been similar to the national average in both years that Gallup has asked the question.
Bottom Line
With more mainstream news coverage of UFOs in recent years, and the government taking sightings more seriously, the idea that UFOs could be alien spacecraft doesn't seem as far-fetched to Americans as it did even two years ago. Meanwhile, the government seems more focused on determining if the threat is coming from foreign governments rather than other planets, and half of Americans continue to presume there is an Earth-based explanation for all such sightings.
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Standingstones
Celestial
I wonder how many people have been given to the thought that there maybe so-called “aliens” that have been living here on the Earth for much longer than humans have existed?
Todd Feinman
Show us the satellite pics...
As someone who has experienced real UFOs and not just researched them, I gotta say that, ironically, UFOs have alienated me from my fellow humans. People are totally clueless about what has been going on with the UFO situation. And, it has been all over the media. And UFO witnesses have been telling people about their experiences for decades. People are humanocentric and ignorant, and unwilling to change their minds these days --and technology has exacerbated the situation. And then there are the hoaxers and liars and folks with mental problems... It is frustrating. I see why Vallee retreated. I'm to the point where I don't care if other people know about it anymore... I know that is awful, but after a decade of talking and arguing with people about it, in the end I wonder why I am trying like so many others to tell my fellow humans about it. Are other people worth trying to discuss this serious situation with? We aren't such a great species, you know.. Other animals would be happier without us --except for cats and dogs of course. We've turned the earth into a polluted place of mass extinction and we want aliens to shake our hands, I find that a lot of people don't care about the UFO situation and are willfully ignorant --like so many other situations we are in on this planet --if it doesn't bother them and their immediate happiness then they don't care.
Today the UFO field is a feeding frenzy of UFO researchers trying to get attention and not many of them are listening to each other. I'm to the point where I think am going to move on from talking about UFOs with people. If they care they can look into it for themselves.
Today the UFO field is a feeding frenzy of UFO researchers trying to get attention and not many of them are listening to each other. I'm to the point where I think am going to move on from talking about UFOs with people. If they care they can look into it for themselves.
nivek
As Above So Below
J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
In response to the title of this thread "The State of Ufology". If I remember correctly the State flower is Sagebrush.
J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
Excellent post. Are you still around?
Todd Feinman
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Hi J Randall,
Yes, I frequently read the posts here. I don't post a lot on forums right now, as I've done it heavily for a number of years, and regarding UFOs, I think I've said everything I can about them. I go to Metabunk now and again, and have come to appreciate the work they do debunking hoaxes. I am equally fascinated with their psychology. They are, of course wrong about UFOs, and I think that will become evident to them over time. Not bad folks, though, and so clever that they are caught in their own trap. They need to leave the door open to the possibility that UFOs are truly anomalous, but their minds are already made up, in many cases.
I still feel the same way when I made that post. A lot of people don't even care about UFOs, then there are the debunkers, and then loony toons folks. That's not a fun environment for folks who really have experienced anomalous events.
Todd Feinman
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I hope everyone here has been well.
J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
Much the same sentiment here. Earthly matters like the COVID corruption that shone a light on the WEF and the agencies and Governments captured by them and those oligarchs bent on authoritarian control have become more of a concern ( for me ). Amazingly, that can be seen happening right in front of people's faces, and there are still those who call it a "conspiracy theory".
Looking at all perspectives and evidence is a crucial aspect of critical thinking.
There's something to elaborate on.
Before we can decide who's right or wrong about UFOs, we need to be working on the same set of definitions, and there isn't a consensus on what the term "UFO" means — even among those who call themselves ufologists. I spent years in a not entirely futile attempt to create such a consensus, and in doing so, define the term "UFO" simply as a label for alien craft, where the word "alien" is defined as being from beyond the boundaries and constructs of human civilization. I do not agree with the superficial and spurious claim that because the "U" in UFO stands for "Unidentified" — that UFOs could be virtually anything that is simply unidentified and in flight.
I ran across that bunch in what was the James Randi Educational Foundation forum.
There's a full spectrum — that's for sure.
I believe that many people have had experiences beyond the mundane — including UFO sightings ( perhaps even contact in some form ).
It sounds like you might be one yourself?
nivek
As Above So Below
Indeed, here is a thread on the WEF:
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Todd Feinman
Show us the satellite pics...
Agree with all of the above! And yes, I've seen UFOs twice. Yourself? I think you might have?
Some years ago I started using the term "non-human technology" of course smartass skeptics suggested beaver dams and whatnot
I don't think real encounters with UFOs are that common; much more uncommon than people think.
Here is what I've experienced:
alienexpanse.com
People should pay attention; given the circumstances, the first encounter was very interesting, and sheds some interesting light on the phenomenon. Also there are two corroborative sightings of the objecfs I saw, and two others from different times and places.
The second experience is when I saw a Tic Tac. Let me know if you have any questions about these experiences. Let me know if you have encountered UFOs yourself!
Some years ago I started using the term "non-human technology" of course smartass skeptics suggested beaver dams and whatnot
I don't think real encounters with UFOs are that common; much more uncommon than people think.
Here is what I've experienced:
On 60th anniversary of McMinnville UFO sighting: 2010
On May 14, 2010, I had a UFO experience. My dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer (he's okay now), and he was to get robotic surgery soon. For a week I had been traveling from Eugene, Oregon each day to work in Lake Oswego, and then driving all the way back to Eugene to stay with my parents...
The second experience is when I saw a Tic Tac. Let me know if you have any questions about these experiences. Let me know if you have encountered UFOs yourself!
J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
Very interesting. I'll reply in further detail later. My sighting was in the Columbia Valley back in the mid 1970s.Agree with all of the above! And yes, I've seen UFOs twice. Yourself? I think you might have?
Some years ago I started using the term "non-human technology" of course smartass skeptics suggested beaver dams and whatnot
I don't think real encounters with UFOs are that common; much more uncommon than people think.
Here is what I've experienced:
People should pay attention; given the circumstances, the first encounter was very interesting, and sheds some interesting light on the phenomenon. Also there are two corroborative sightings of the objecfs I saw, and two others from different times and places.On 60th anniversary of McMinnville UFO sighting: 2010
On May 14, 2010, I had a UFO experience. My dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer (he's okay now), and he was to get robotic surgery soon. For a week I had been traveling from Eugene, Oregon each day to work in Lake Oswego, and then driving all the way back to Eugene to stay with my parents...
The second experience is when I saw a Tic Tac. Let me know if you have any questions about these experiences. Let me know if you have encountered UFOs yourself!
Todd Feinman
Show us the satellite pics...
I look forward to it!! I have met a number of people over the years who have had some amazing experiences with UFOs.
Todd Feinman
Show us the satellite pics...
Do you meant the Columbia River Gorge --toward WA??
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD-qcSdsg4
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J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
1975 - Glowing Orb
Total Witnesses: 3
Location: Lake Windermere British Columbia.
Date: June 1975
During June of 1975, I was with my girlfriend Karen at her parent's ranch on the west side of Lake Windermere in British Columbia Canada. Her parents were gone and I was staying overnight with her and another younger friend of hers. The three of us were sitting together on the couch listening to Led Zeppelin Two in the dark while looking eastward out the picture window toward the mountains a little north of the Fairmont Hot Springs Resort — which is located on the east side of the Columbia Valley — a hotspot for anomalous and paranormal activity.
Just after midnight a glowing blue-white orb sprung up from behind the mountain range across the lake, bounced down the side of the mountain in three big arcs, landed in the forest at the base of the mountain, and went dark. We were all stunned and didn't know what to say. We looked at each other and Karen said, "did you see that?" We were already nodding.
The sphere itself was about as wide as a Volkswagen beetle as seen from the side. It had a plasma like glow surrounding it, but at our distance ( about 3 kilometers ), we couldn't make out any surface details. After landing, it stayed on the ground until about 2:00AM. Then it lit up, ascended straight up to about 300 meters, stopped instantly for about two seconds, then traced a graceful infinity symbol about 300 meters wide at a about a 30 degree angle to the right ( south ) of its starting point. It traced the symbol precisely in the same place four times in about 7 seconds, leaving a glowing trail of light behind, not unlike the effect of waving a glow-stick in the dark.
Then it stopped instantly and settled back into the forest in exactly the same spot it had taken off from — and went dark again. After that I was determined to stay awake all night so that in the morning I could get an exact fix on where it went down. The third time it came up it was around 4:00AM. By then both of the girls had nodded off. The orb repeated the same maneuver as it had the first two times, then settled back into the forest and went dark again.
It looked much like this . . .
Around 6:00AM the light of dawn began to illuminate the valley well enough to make out where the orb had landed. So I went outside to get a better look, and just as I stepped out onto the landing, the orb came up again. It rose vertically to about 300 meters and stopped instantly. Only instead of repeating the infinity symbol maneuver, it turned bright white and instantly accelerated north up the valley as far as I could see.
Quite literally, from where I was standing it traveled over 25 kilometers in about 1 second ... from a dead stop. No human technology has anything that comes close to that kind of performance. Given the precise repetitive maneuvers that it had performed earlier, there is also no way that it was a random natural phenomenon. I am convinced that it was intelligently controlled.
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Todd Feinman
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Fascinating! Thank you for sharing your experience.. A lot of people don't know just how bizarre UFOs really are; many have Star Trek-like conceptions of them, but they are so very different (alien to) anything one is used to. They scare the hell out of other animals too --probably for the same reasons..
Thanks, JR. How does it feel to have seen one? Kind of a double-edged sword, eh?
Thanks, JR. How does it feel to have seen one? Kind of a double-edged sword, eh?
J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
This seems like a safe space to share such experiences.
Interesting thought. I never considered that perspective before.
It's odd that they should scare animals, but there are too many reports to ignore it. Perhaps there is some ultrasonic frequency they emit.
By the time I'd seen one for myself, I'd already read several books on the subject — Including The Report On Unidentified Flying Objects by Edward Ruppelt. My older brother and his wife introduced me to the subject after they had witnessed one in Calgary years before. So as soon as I saw the object I knew exactly what it was. This was not one of those cases where it could have been a misidentification of a manmade object or natural phenomenon. My main feelings were firstly excitement, then when it zipped away, I felt disappointed that I hadn't been given the chance to get a close-up look.
There was one point during the first time it reappeared that the three of us were all a bit frightened. I don't usually mention this part because it sounds "out there" — but here it is. I'd read enough about UFOs to know of reports where there seemed to be telepathic communication, so I said to Karen and Kelly to look at it and "think for it to come closer" — and when the three of us did that together, just before it descended back into the forest, it stopped and looked as if it was moving slowly directly toward us. We got spooked and stopped our attempt to communicate with it. Then it went back down into the forest.