How is The Coronavirus affecting your life?

michael59

Celestial
Kim Iversen makes the case for rethinking COVID-19 immunity after a new report appears to cast doubt on the immuno-response of vaccine immunity.


 

dr wu

Noble
Is Kim Iversen a good news source (YouTuber)? - Quora
Kim has more recently been in the business of spreading misinformation about Covid-19 vaccine effectiveness. Really sad to see someone with real prospects for being a legitimate journalist go down the rabbit hole of being willing to say anything to milk the conspiracy theorist contingent of American society. In this case of COVID-19, real people will die because of her misinformation videos (the woman who lives in the apartment across the hall from me refused to get vaccinated because of Kim’s demonstrably false claims in her YouTube videos about COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness).

That sounds like 'schmuckery' to me..... :rolleyes:
Maybe she needs to see this article.....perhaps she missed it ?
Texas Anti-Mask 'Freedom Defender' Caleb Wallace Dies Of COVID-19
 
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michael59

Celestial
Is Kim Iversen a good news source (YouTuber)? - Quora
Kim has more recently been in the business of spreading misinformation about Covid-19 vaccine effectiveness. Really sad to see someone with real prospects for being a legitimate journalist go down the rabbit hole of being willing to say anything to milk the conspiracy theorist contingent of American society. In this case of COVID-19, real people will die because of her misinformation videos (the woman who lives in the apartment across the hall from me refused to get vaccinated because of Kim’s demonstrably false claims in her YouTube videos about COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness).

That sounds like schmuckery to me..... :rolleyes:

Nice try, dr wu. The study is not fake. Read it yourself.

NBER Studies Related to COVID-19 Pandemic By Topic Area
 

JahaRa

Noble
Is Kim Iversen a good news source (YouTuber)? - Quora
Kim has more recently been in the business of spreading misinformation about Covid-19 vaccine effectiveness. Really sad to see someone with real prospects for being a legitimate journalist go down the rabbit hole of being willing to say anything to milk the conspiracy theorist contingent of American society. In this case of COVID-19, real people will die because of her misinformation videos (the woman who lives in the apartment across the hall from me refused to get vaccinated because of Kim’s demonstrably false claims in her YouTube videos about COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness).

That sounds like 'schmuckery' to me..... :rolleyes:
Maybe she needs to see this article.....perhaps she missed it ?
Texas Anti-Mask 'Freedom Defender' Caleb Wallace Dies Of COVID-19
The problem I have with your link is the question mark in the headline. Any time I see a question mark in a headline I take it as an indication that the article has an agenda and the article is based on misinformation. Quora seems to be trying to discredit Kim Iverson, so she either has some good information that goes against their misinformation or they are at war with her.
 

dr wu

Noble
The problem I have with your link is the question mark in the headline. Any time I see a question mark in a headline I take it as an indication that the article has an agenda and the article is based on misinformation. Quora seems to be trying to discredit Kim Iverson, so she either has some good information that goes against their misinformation or they are at war with her.
Do a web search...she was once a 'progressive' who now supports the anti vaxxer theme and conspiracy crowd..look it up.
She has been called out several times on covid misinformation.
 

dr wu

Noble
There are all kinds of studies...on both sides of the issue; my truck is with another 'self styled' expert journalsist
jumping on the anti vaxxer -anti mask bandwagon for publicity.
btw...that page links to multiple 'studies' did you have one in mind?

Nothing in her video above is not already known....those who have had the virus do have some good immunity but many have not had it or the vaccine...that's the problem,,,. but she never brings that up in the video. So lets just let everyone get it and see how many die...that seems to be the natural herd immunity idea. So...lets start witb all those who are anti vaxxers...we can use them all as guniea pigs..sound ok to you?
 

michael59

Celestial
There are all kinds of studies...on both sides of the issue; my truck is with another 'self styled' expert journalsist
jumping on the anti vaxxer -anti mask bandwagon for publicity.
btw...that page links to multiple 'studies' did you have one in mind?

Did I have one in mind? You didn't even watch that Kim Iversen clip, did you? Yes, I had in mind all the ones regarding the studies in her news clip. Even on Kim's worst day, she is more reliable that Arnie. The only reason he became a governor is because he married a Kennedy and he couldn't even do that right.

C'mon, you post a clip from a movie actor who is not even smart enough to use a condom when he has sex with the maid and we're supposed to be impressed? The guy has been searching for a "bandwagon" to jump on for publicity ever since all his female co-stars accused him of sexual harassment.
 

michael59

Celestial
Nothing in her video above is not already known....those who have had the virus do have some good immunity but many have not had it or the vaccine...that's the problem,,,. but she never brings that up in the video. So lets just let everyone get it and see how many die...that seems to be the natural herd immunity idea. So...lets start witb all those who are anti vaxxers...we can use them all as guniea pigs..sound ok to you?

Apparently it isn't known to you. Yes she does bring it up in the video.

I am one of those guinea pigs you speak of and if everything spouted off by the "experts" pushing these vaccines is true then I am supposed to be dead. I am overweight, asthmatic, I have had a string of heart attacks that have left me with a heart that only works at 50% capacity and am 62 years old. I had every single symptom that was listed for coronvirus and yet here I sit conversing with you.

What about this report, do you have some reason for doubting it?
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Breakthrough Covid cases: Data shows how many vaccinated ...
https://www.nbcnews.com › health › health-news › brea...

Jul. 30, 2021 — ... 125000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1400 of those have died, according to data compiled by NBC News.
 

dr wu

Noble
Did I have one in mind? You didn't even watch that Kim Iversen clip, did you? Yes, I had in mind all the ones regarding the studies in her news clip. Even on Kim's worst day, she is more reliable that Arnie. The only reason he became a governor is because he married a Kennedy and he couldn't even do that right.

C'mon, you post a clip from a movie actor who is not even smart enough to use a condom when he has sex with the maid and we're supposed to be impressed? The guy has been searching for a "bandwagon" to jump on for publicity ever since all his female co-stars accused him of sexual harassment.

Not about Arnie....but doesn't surprsie me that that's all people get...it's about masks and washing hands and vaccines....please feel free not to do any of those ..it's your life..or death.
 

dr wu

Noble
Apparently it isn't known to you. Yes she does bring it up in the video.

I am one of those guinea pigs you speak of and if everything spouted off by the "experts" pushing these vaccines is true then I am supposed to be dead. I am overweight, asthmatic, I have had a string of heart attacks that have left me with a heart that only works at 50% capacity and am 62 years old. I had every single symptom that was listed for coronvirus and yet here I sit conversing with you.

What about this report, do you have some reason for doubting it?
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Breakthrough Covid cases: Data shows how many vaccinated ...
https://www.nbcnews.com › health › health-news › brea...

Jul. 30, 2021 — ... 125000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1400 of those have died, according to data compiled by NBC News.
As it has been said ad nauseum already...no vaccine is foolproof or perfect...people still get various things and polio wasn't even eradicated until 2015 I believe. But with the vaccine people are far far safer and far far less likely to get a serious case of covid and die. Even using your data of 1400 in 125000 which I don't know to be accurate since many of these reported things are inaccurate to begin with , that's only 1% death....those are pretty good odds imho. Again feel free to not do masks or vaccines...roll the dice and good luck to you being that you have health issues already.
 

HAL9000

Honorable
Michael,

I had my shots as soon as possible.

However, I have had a mini-stroke in the past, and have minor heart damage caused by over medication for the stroke.
Plus I'm 77 years old.

I have had no effects from the vaccine.

Today I have been informed that one of my nieces is in hospital on oxygen due to the virus. She's a big girl with breathing problems. So we can only hope for the best.

She was not inoculated. Her mother believed all anti-vaxer crap. so neither had been jabbed. Both have the virus now.

The mother, one of my wife's sisters, phoned up to tell us, distraught.

There really is no easy, kind way of saying, 'we have been warning you for a year about this.'

All you who have doubts. Just get the damn jab. Stop playing Russian roulette.
 

michael59

Celestial
Michael,

I had my shots as soon as possible.

However, I have had a mini-stroke in the past, and have minor heart damage caused by over medication for the stroke.
Plus I'm 77 years old.

I have had no effects from the vaccine.

Today I have been informed that one of my nieces is in hospital on oxygen due to the virus. She's a big girl with breathing problems. So we can only hope for the best.

She was not inoculated. Her mother believed all anti-vaxer crap. so neither had been jabbed. Both have the virus now.

The mother, one of my wife's sisters, phoned up to tell us, distraught.

There really is no easy, kind way of saying, 'we have been warning you for a year about this.'

All you who have doubts. Just get the damn jab. Stop playing Russian roulette.

I'm so sorry that you and your family are experiencing this, HAL9000. I truly hope you and yours will be alright. I do no wish what I experienced on anyone. I wish you felt the same way about others who's opinion differs from your own.


I can only speak for myself....

No. I will not be bullied into dying for your or for dr wu.
 

HAL9000

Honorable
I'm so sorry that you and your family are experiencing this, HAL9000. I truly hope you and yours will be alright. I do no wish what I experienced on anyone. I wish you felt the same way about others who's opinion differs from your own.


I can only speak for myself....

No. I will not be bullied into dying for your or for dr wu.

Thank you for expressing your concern. It is appreciated.

I'm sorry that you feel that I am bullying you with regards to differences of opinion. There is never that intention. People will always make up their minds for themselves what they choose to believe.

I do not quite understand what you mean by being bullied into dying. From what I have read here, we leave the choice of getting inoculated up to the individual. How could we do any other ?

I can't speak for Dr wu, but if someone chooses not to, then if they become ill it is entirely down to them. They can't say that they were not advised otherwise. My concern would be that they can pass on the virus to others who may also not be protected.
The jab may not stop you from contracting the virus, by the figures show that it will, in the majority of cases, stop you from dying.

But good luck to you with your choice anyway. This virus will be with us for years in some variant or another.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
OK, we've all become expert chemists and biologists.

What I remember - totally off the cuff - is a series of NPR reports from years ago (possibly before 2000) that may have been the genesis of the anti-vaccination crowd. Something to do not with the vaccines themselves but a bundled delivery method. Separately they weren't a problem but combined they were and no doubt pharmaceutical $$ was at the root of it. It was causing problems with the children that received it. Combined vaccines have been around quite a while, there was something specific about the new process they were using. Since I don't have kids I wasn't too worried about it but for whatever reason remember a little about it. Not hard to see how THAT could morph into something else and I think it might have done just that.

In the States you can't talk about this without mentioning politics. I recall Trump sparring with Dr. Ben Carson over vaccines during the initial debates and wondering what the hell he was talking about. If he doesn't know then how am I supposed to? Then a real crisis was upon us and now look - that guy has a big bully pulpit and people utterly hate him for it. The opposition was so extreme that it hyped everything up to a ridiculous degree and we were all left wondering WTF and drawing lines around camps. "Won't take the Trump vaccine ... don't trust it" and all that horseshit. DT was part of it but so was a hell of a lot of other people on all sides and no representative leader came away flying the stainless banner.

With the flu they have to constantly update the vaccine in anticipation of it's next evolution. I never worried about the flu at all and never got the shot. Don't recall anyone worrying whether I would give the flu to someone because of that - you were vulnerable you protected yourself by getting the shot. Then again, even with politics and nonsense excepted the flu wasn't quite like this. If it was I probably would have been getting my shots and updates all along. Thing is, what I have experienced myself directly tells me the virus isn't quite as contagious as our media would like to tell us it is nor is it an immediate death sentence for anyone who gets it so when making that evaluation I had to factor out all that horseshit too. If it looks like annual boosters are necessary, and it does, this might be one of those that I will go and get. I didn't enjoy covid one bit and wouldn't look forward to getting hit with a worse version of it.

Think about it, for the millennia we have existed it was normal to drop dead from some sort of contagion and only very, very recently relatively speaking that we've been able to do anything about it. Never had that choice. If people don't want the damned shots turning them into pariahs or attempting to force them to do so is not going to work.
 

JahaRa

Noble
With the flu they have to constantly update the vaccine in anticipation of it's next evolution. I never worried about the flu at all and never got the shot. Don't recall anyone worrying whether I would give the flu to someone because of that - you were vulnerable you protected yourself by getting the shot. Then again, even with politics and nonsense excepted the flu wasn't quite like this. If it was I probably would have been getting my shots and updates all along. Thing is, what I have experienced myself directly tells me the virus isn't quite as contagious as our media would like to tell us it is nor is it an immediate death sentence for anyone who gets it so when making that evaluation I had to factor out all that horseshit too. If it looks like annual boosters are necessary, and it does, this might be one of those that I will go and get. I didn't enjoy covid one bit and wouldn't look forward to getting hit with a worse version of it.
Do you remember the Hong Kong flu in the late 60's? I do and the political and social climate was different. It was 2 years of people dying (a porportional number withe the 1st year of Covid compared to the world population then and now). But the political climate has changed in the first world countries (or at least the U.S. & UK) and also it seems this virus, because it is not subject to seasonal issues is more virulent so the reaction to it is not only political but more extreme. There were politics involved in the first versions of the flu shot in the early 70's but it was subtle and seemed only to be going on in the U.S. It made me think that the pharma company that created the flu vaccine then paid a lot of money to get Jimmy Carter elected. Then we had a similar thing when Obama was elected. By then though the flu shot was not putting people in the hospital but we needed a regular flu shot and a man/bird/pig flu shot as well, now those shots are combined, no need to get two.

Now we have politics so awful, and divisive getting involved in a world health issue. But only in certain countries like the U.S. & UK. So, it is really hard to know what is true and what isn't. We just have to use our common sense and base our decisions on medical advice instead of politicians (not fake medical youtubers, but real medical personnel).
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I will not be bullied into dying for your or for dr wu.

I'm sorry you had to endure this here, it won't happen again...

Between a new job I've been working this week and being at the hospital in the evenings with my mom the last few nights I haven't had much time at all to be here...My mom is fine and coming home today, she was there for a different reason than covid...

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michael59

Celestial
Does no one else believe this is some kind of pathetic joke to get money flowing back into our precious economy? If it is so dangerous out there that we have to show papers to prove we are co-operating then why are we still out there? Has anyone noticed that the relaxation of the covid regulations coincided with Tourism? That the places where lock down is again being reinforced is at the end of their tourist season?

How convenient that TPTB at whatever level applies, be it municipal, provincial/state or federal level were bleeding money and needed some kind of boost in a hurry, so suddenly it was okay to go to restaurants and bars and buy new cars and houses and get the vacation of your dreams started or your retirement plans back on track? Right when people had stopped spending money because they were afraid none would be coming back in?

Alternately, maybe it's just me and my life has been severely affected by the coronavirus. xxxx2

Alberta has reinstated the wearing of masks rule again. It was conveniently reinstated on Friday September 1st. The official end of Tourist Season.
 
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