The problem with Steven Greer and

Standingstones

Celestial
Every doctor should always remain a doctor, every lawyer a lawyer, every etc etc etc = illogical



I don't think Greer makes any qualms about connecting dots possibly linking traditionally hardware-based UFO thinking, to psychological phenomena - and that's not so inconsistent with the road modern physicists seem to be heading down as well. The phenomena is broadly diverse and may not be adequately comprehended from a strictly technological viewpoint.

As far as the more cuckoo claims attributed to him, I've never heard him make such in the dozen or so interviews I've listened to over the years - nor is there anything like that at the Disclosure website (that I know of). If he thinks such outlandish statements might undermine the credibility of his effort why would he make them?

I don't know the full content/context of the examples you give, Ozman, but the "Smear" blurb did cover their six by including an "If this is true" qualifier. Sources aren't necessarily any more credible than their intended targets.

As far as "real" Congressional hearings go, why would they stop just because somebody staged an NPC "circus?" There's so much fringe kookiness attached to the UFO issue already, all they'd have to do is ignore it and let the mainstream media deal with the event.
Actually, I think it is quite logical to question an individual who throws away years of training in the medical field to pursue UFOs.
 
Actually, I think it is quite logical to question an individual who throws away years of training in the medical field to pursue UFOs.

Throws away?

Let's look at this reasonably. It was his choice, if you wish to denigrate it, so be it.

I would strongly suggest that to many, many people his contributions outside of medicine are as, if not more, important than any contribution he could have made within medicine.
 

AlienView

Noble
But you have to ask yourself - Does he really expect 'disclosure' from 'the government' ???

Many of us who believe 'something' not normal, but paranormal, has been going on for many years.

And recent revelations have revealed that the government, in spite of having denied it for years,
has been, and probably continues to, investigate the alien/UFO phenomena with more than casual
interest.

Greer is not stupid - What does he really expect them to disclose?

That the Earth is being visited by aliens whose technology is so far advanced so as to make Man look
like a cro magnon Man from the stone age - And could probably wipe us out fast if they wanted to.

That's it - disclosure in a nut shell! - And what credible government would reveal this to an already
unstable public?

So while Steven Greer is having fun and making a few bucks - So what?

Just don't take him, disclosure, and aliens too seriously
- Be thankful the're only mutilating cattle and not Humans.

But face it - No government is ever going to disclose that we face a potential threat
so dire as to scare the most hardened sceptic.

Space Brothers Greer says? - Hope that he is right!
 

nivek

As Above So Below
- Be thankful they're only mutilating cattle and not Humans.

Who's to say for sure, thousands of humans go missing every year...We don't know what's going on with that...

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So while Steven Greer is having fun and making a few bucks - So what? Just don't take him, disclosure, and aliens too seriously. Space Brothers Greer says? - Hope that he is right!

Not take 'aliens' seriously?

Seriously?

Greer's expectations are a result of his own, positive experiences. It is erroneous for anyone to extract from their personal experiences a philosophy that includes all aliens are positive. MOF, the universe has repeatedly offered to us that [and a balance between] the + and - is a fact of existence.
 

AlienView

Noble
Who's to say for sure, thousands of humans go missing every year...We don't know what's going on with that...

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Yes, that is part of my point about not expecting 'disclosure'.

Isn't there already enough paranoia to deal with because of Human nuts, terrorists, etc.

Imagine what would happen if they admitted there is also a bunch of aliens, and nobody is really sure
if they are friendly?

But try to stay optimistic and I too often do postulate friendly ETs - Further I postulate that the species
Man may in fact be an alien genetic experiment - Biological genetics has a very experimental quality
about it.

So enjoy the experiment while you can - After all they may decide it is going wrong and decide to
cancel and start over!
 

Thunder_Bull45

Native Injunuity
IMO Dr. Greer takes a different approach to the same problem with disclosure. Rather than seeking to open the door to all he seems to be pointing out that the (whatever you want to call the deep state/military industrial complex/national security) folks should be held accountable by elected officials. Pit them against themselves !

Can see the merits in his goals but doubt anything will come of it. I mean he’s kinda 1990’s ain’t he!?

like a lot of other “pro” ufologists- Part tv preacher spreading the good word but charging people for it !
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
And......Let the pary in question have the floor........

"It is an understatement to say that the time has arrived for a serious and open international dialogue regarding the possibility of future interplanetary relations. In no other area of human experience has so much evidence existed for so long, and yet been attended by such a paucity of serious research and analysis - at least in the civilian domain. While the subject matter of UFOs itself is extraordinary, it is the absence of a serious human response to it that is most extraordinary."
-Steven M. Greer

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CSETI (The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence) has in the past 18 months succeeded in intentionally establishing contact with extraterrestrial spacecraft, on two occasions at very close range, and with multiple witnesses present."
-Steven M. Greer

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It's been by turns frustrating and fascinating and wonderful beyond imagination. If what I suspect is true, it's one of the most important milestones in human history to acknowledge that we are not alone in the universe."
-Steven M. Greer


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The evidence that at least one extraterrestrial civilization has visited Earth is extensive both in scope and detail. In its totality it comprises a body of evidence which at the very least supports the general assessment that extraterrestrial life has been detected, and that a vigorous program of research and serious diplomatic initiatives is warranted.+
- Steven M. Greer

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Numerous US. Government documents exist which indicate that these objects are real and have been involved with observing Earth for several decades."
- Steven M. Greer

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There are more than 100 first- and second- hand witnesses to the retrieval of an extraterrestrial spacecraft and at least four extraterrestrial bodies from a crash which occurred in July, 1947, 75 miles northwest of Roswell, New Mexico; written and videotaped testimony from several first-hand witnesses who are respected military officers have been obtained."
- Steven M. Greer

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There are numerous daytime and night time photographs and videotapes of clearly non-human spacecraft from all over the world; these films and videotapes have been evaluated and deemed authentic by competent experts in optical physics and related fields."
- Steven M. Greer

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There are hundreds of electromagnetic cases where spacecraft have been observed by police, military personnel and civilians to affect car engines, radios and other electric devices."
- Steven M. Greer

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There are hundreds of credible reports, many with multiple witnesses, of humanoids in association with landed spacecraft."
- Steven M. Greer

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It was one to three football fields in length. It was massive, about 300 feet above the ground. It had three lights on the points of its triangle and a large red light beneath."
- Steven M. Greer

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Various polls have indicated that approximately 10% of Americans (25 million people) have seen them at close range so that details of the structure of the object can be discerned."
- Steven M. Greer

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There are more than 4000 landing trace cases from around the world.
--Steven M. Greer

Once again, Greer isn't adding anything new here.
 

Area201

cold fusion
Since I can't find a dedicated Phoenix Lights thread, I'm going to add this video I just watched by Mouthy Buddha. Excellent summary of the events and proposed theories.

To tie with Dr. Steven Greer, one of his fantastic claims is that it was his contact protocols that initiated the delta shaped mothership ETV/UFO. This was a huge event in 1997, with many witnesses, as you can see here.

There is a very interesting claim by a state legislator who was being contacted by witnesses. One of these had a video that clearly showed the delta UFO and he wanted to share with her a copy. Apparently, he claims - you guessed it - MIB showed up pretending to be from her office, and took them.

She later found out her phone was tapped.

The subsequent dropping of the flares by the military (second event shown on news/not UFO) is another telltale sign of a real UFO first event.

 
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nivek

As Above So Below
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I think it is a certainty that whoever or whatever does the mutilations is aware that carved up human corpses are going to bring the heat down fast and hard. If they are doing it to people, they probably dispose of the bodies in a way that they wont be found or look like they died from other causes.
 

AlienView

Noble
I think it is a certainty that whoever or whatever does the mutilations is aware that carved up human corpses are going to bring the heat down fast and hard. If they are doing it to people, they probably dispose of the bodies in a way that they wont be found or look like they died from other causes.
How about a more down to Earth Human explanation? - Mutilated body of some Humans is someone who crossed a drug cartel dealer - And they do have a tendency to leave a message with ugly corpses of their enemies.

As far as drug dealers who are also aliens from elsewhere - That's a good foundation for a sci-fi novel !
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
Very true. There are cases of human mutilation which are genuinely high strange though. Going on memory here, wasn't there a guy found on a lakeshore in Chicago with part of his face neatly removed cattle mutilation style back in the 1960's? Guy had no known ties to organized crime and the way he was mutilated was not consistent with how the mob dealt out punishment at the time.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Suppose Greer were in contact with benign aliens. Would that entail that every alien species out there is friendly or not dangerous? Even in Star Trek there were opposing powers vying for territory.

Its completely unknown what's out there and wrong for Greer to assume every alien species in the universe are friendlies...He's the expert though...:Whistle:

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