Are the Trent photos legit?

What are the Trent photos

  • A real craft?

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • A hoax?

    Votes: 6 50.0%

  • Total voters
    12
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Exactly. Also, I can't imagine that I would have seen the UFO(s) I did during the McMinnville UFO festival along with all of the strange circumstances --if the Trents hadn't seen the UFO and taken those pics exactly 60 years before:
On 60th anniversary of McMinnville UFO sighting: 2010
The same kind of light scattering / atmospheric perspective effect can be seen in the Trudel pictures too.

Everybody knows that distant object fade away and get slightly bluish tint. That while remote mountain ranges look blue-greyish as well as passenger airliners when looked at through telephoto lens. More so if object is closer to the ground as Trent photo UFO was. But atmospheric fading away can't be very accurate at estimating distance because of large margin of error in measuring the fading effect. Just as a ballpark.
 

Todd Feinman

Show us the satellite pics...
That's what UFO do most of the time, they just hang in one spot of the sky. They watch us as we watch them. Most of UFO photos in circulation were made while UFOs were hovering still in one spot, sometimes even hours on end. There is nothing unusual about UFO standing in one spot.
I'm so happy you typed that. It is so true. It is one of the display tactics; the two tactics are Displays and Demonstrations. The strategy behind these tactics is an algorithmic asymmetric strategy of long-term contact that doesn't cause a disastrous tipping point that destroys our civilization. Brilliant too. So they display / show / reveal themselves to us periodically --both celebrities and regular Joes as part of this algorithm. Road Encounters are part of these tactics --isolating individuals or small groups on roads --or near bodies of water --this allows the UFO to be in complete control of the situation and can zip away after it is seen and displays itself to the observer --"I am alien" "I am watching you". The end result is that many people HAVE had contact especially over time, and many people believe they are real --but no tipping point. We have as much contact as we are able to have at this point. I think there is a godlike alien AI behind the technology and it has been here for a very long time. It exists in a different information universe than we do --the same magnitude of difference that exists between a human and a squirrel. It understands and anticipates our actions far in advance of our acting them out. as it understands events far in advance of what we are capable of. I think it can, as Elizondo has suggested, travel through space and time differently than we do, if it wants to. The Demonstration portion of the tactics, involves interactions with the military and visible surveillance of nuclear sites, disabling missiles, etc. They are implying that we have a serious problem, and they are demonstrating against our weapons (the "Prime Directive" is not being followed, really) --and as things get more and more suicidal with our dangerous species, they are intensifying their efforts (as can be seen with recent events), to the point that traumatized pilots and others are causing the secrets to spill out of secret programs in the government.

Typical:
The two objects seen during '33 Everest ascent:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/159645557?searchTerm=strange AND

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UfoScan

UFO scanner
That's what UFO do most of the time, they just hang in one spot of the sky. They watch us as we watch them. Most of UFO photos in circulation were made while UFOs were hovering still in one spot, sometimes even hours on end. There is nothing unusual about UFO standing in one spot..

But that's not my point. The point is that, when looking at sets of purported UFO pictures and one finds the object has hardly moved, it evokes the fact that this is the most simple way to hoax a picture. Just hang a model on a string in one place, take a few pics and you're done.

What I am trying to convey is that for UFO pictures to make me take a second look, there must be something more in the picture that can help identify it as real. That was what did it for me with the Kibel picture and that's what would have helped if the Helflin pictures had shown the UFO from different vantage points instead of the same location inside the truck - a location which would have made it simplest to a hoaxer.

Again, I am not saying it makes those pictures fake but simply that they would be easy enough to fake so that we will always be stuck in endless debate as to whether they are real or not.
 

UfoScan

UFO scanner
Look at that YT video in the post above. Are the Paul and Evelyn Trent the technically savvy people that can pull the fake off or keep the elaborate lie going, for that matter..

There rarely were any "technically savvy" people taking UFO pictures. It is very easy to fake them. Case in point, I was 13 years old when I faked mine and I had already picked up on forced perspective even though I had never heard about it. I knew nothing about photography at the time, had seldom actually taken a picture and was using my father's Polaroid camera.

I have heard of many UFO picture cases where the photographer had just bought a new camera and sure enough, ended up having a UFO picture on his first roll. But what you are not taking into account was that - especially in those days - UFOs were in the news quite a bit and many were tempted to try out their own UFO pictures using what they had handy. Again, this was all innocent fun.

What I realized from experimenting with that at age 13 is that it is very easy to create convincing UFO photographs.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
There rarely were any "technically savvy" people taking UFO pictures. It is very easy to fake them. Case in point, I was 13 years old when I faked mine and I had already picked up on forced perspective even though I had never heard about it. I knew nothing about photography at the time, had seldom actually taken a picture and was using my father's Polaroid camera.

Point that "UFO photos can be faked" neither proves nor disproves existence of UFOs.

Everything can be faked, including elections :) I digress, but 2 years ago a huge and damaging debate was raging in social sciences because somebody tried to repeat lots of classic experiments and 50% of them failed. Lots of researchers in social sciences distort proper statistics through so called "P-hacking". So, OK, we live in the world where everybody is faking and everything can be faked. Then, the question is, what can one do to get to the bottom of the things?

So, in order to challenge faker what one can do is simply to rise the bar. Instead of looking at only one aspect of the UFO case, one takes multidisciplinary approach and looks from all the aspects available to human knowledge. OK, one can glue a UFO paper cutout on a window glass, but ping on a radar from local airport is a bit more difficult to fake. And there are many such cases where whit multidisciplinary overlap. A way to verifying UFO cases is about ticking as many boxes as one can.

You are right about many things. I too first look at perspective and lighting of the scene when deciding about truthfulness of UFO picture.

But what makes me decide about UFO photo is not UFO photo, but the overall context of that situation. First, I take into account soft-proof or low-hanging-fruit, like social aspects: witness' character, presence of other witnesses, similarity with established trends in other UFO sightings etc.

Second, and by far the most importantly, I take into account the-real-stuff or hard-proofs, like: any physical effect, any electrodynamics or general relativity effects. Although appearance of UFO is a transient event, still the very presence of these electrodynamics and general relativity effects increases veracity of testimony because very few people understand science and these effects are not common in everyday life.

90% of UFO researchers are totally ignorant and only judge a highly scientific UFO event with only geometry and mechanics, aka "common sense". I keep on repeating this and people keep on ignoring it: common sense is only 1/4 of reality. People who are researching UFOs are lazy lot and they don't want to make an effort to familiarise themselves with a bit of physics, instead they go for trivial stuff that is highly politicised, like government documents. I am not physicist myself, but at least I made an effort to understand basics of how how electrodynamics and general relativity operate. There are tons of simplified educational videos on YouTube and one can understand enough in a matter of weeks.

Anybody who's only using "common sense" is missing 3/4 of reality and his judgement can be ignored. This is what "reality" is in a current grasp of the human scientific knowledge, from the bottom to the top:

1. Quantum Mechanics
2. geometry and mechanics.
3. Electrodynamics ( light, radio waves, electricity etc. )
4. General Relativity.

As you can see, if one is ignoring Electrodynamics & General Relativity one is missing 50% of UFO information. Most quantum mechanics effects can't be observed without special instruments and it can be forgiven.

Questions is, if one is ignoring 50% of the available information can his opinion even be relevant??? It's literary like, what can a blind person tell you about a colour of the flower he has in his hand?
 
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UfoScan

UFO scanner
"Point that "UFO photos can be faked" neither proves nor disproves existence of UFOs."

I never said it did. In fact I said that UFO photos tend to distract away from UFO accounts that are more likely to be real.

All I am saying is that very few UFO pictures over the last 60 or more years are convincing to experienced photographers that don't have a bias towards UFOs.

But of course, anyone is free to believe whatever he wants.
 
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