"Maybe they're not ETs After All"

An article that is trumpeting the "Not ET" idea.
Sometimes it is amazing how bereft of imagination some theorists are... It has to be ET spaceships... Or not.
For the life of me I don't understand why folks can't conceive of autonomous surveillance devices or persistent nanotechnology or some other technology that we might not understand... The "devices" of the Wilbur Smith memo. I mean, would we send a squishy human food body out to explore the remote reaches of the universe? Of course not, yet it is the same trope from sneering ignorant skeptics "They traveled across the galaxy only to crash in the desert" <sigh> And don't get me started about "dinner date" Neil deGrasse Tyson... D'oh!!!

A new interview. The origin of UAPs is discussed, the drone idea and more:

It is also funny how they think they think out-side-the-box, when it seems they are just thinking their way into another box.

When they say "They" what exactly do they mean? I have considered many different ideologies, Some of those ideologies aren't entirely popular, So let's gloss over some of that and call it intelligent design, Or even panspermia. To that end What is the origin of life on earth? I'm not speaking about Evolution. Rather, Where did Life and consciousness originate?

Mathematically, To believe Life in this universe is unique to Just here Just Earth. It's improbable at best, and it shows a huge inability to conceive the larger picture of the cosmos at worst. If one subscribes to Intelligent "design" Then Life existed in the cosmos long before we did. Presumably extraterrestrial. Unless a more advanced precursor to bipeds literally existed here and designed us to become what we eventually became.. That's if one believes in religion, And this doesn't negate life elsewhere in the cosmos.

So, Let's assume you align with Panspermia. Life begins with the simplest living organisms that somehow land here from comets and begin to evolve into more and more complex designs because of a necessity, then where did that life come from? What is its origin? And you can't just assume some meaningless germ came to somehow be and evolved Because if it did, This origin wouldn't have occurred just here on this earth, But in countless other places, Or, Maybe people choose to believe that life somehow was scattered all across the cosmos and to spite the infinite time and space the cosmos features, Here, On this tiny spec dirt and water is the only place suitable for life in the entire universe


There are two kinds of people in this scenario, People who want to sell books and people who want to buy them. To believe Life is unique to just here, That we are somehow more special than any other place in the cosmos, Is simply misguided.


There are two basic kinds of believers. The ones who look up at the stars and wonder what's out there, And the ones who look up at the stars and Fear what could be out there...

Shadowprophet said:

There are two basic kinds of believers. The ones who look up at the stars and wonder what's out there, And the ones who look up at the stars and Fear what could be out there...

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Black and white with no shades of grey?...I sometimes kind of cringe when people are so narrowly defined as either this or that and nothing else...Fear if the unknown is a given for humanity in general and for that matter even in the animal kingdom, animals seemingly have a fear of unknowns...If an individual becomes more consciously evolved and developed a deeper understanding of life, some or all of that fear may not be present...However, this is in regards to earthly matter and earthly living, there are still a number of unknowns even on our own planet...If a mystic were to be taken by an alien species visiting our planet would he be fearful?...Perhaps so, but mainly on a corporeal level...I don't know what you may mean by 'believers' in the context of your paragraph but I think there are many people who look up at the stars and wonder what's out there along with perhaps a subtle background fear of what may be out there, especially if it's people who have read abduction and contact reports...

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nivek said:

Black and white with no shades of grey?...I sometimes kind of cringe when people are so narrowly defined as either this or that and nothing else...Fear if the unknown is a given for humanity in general and for that matter even in the animal kingdom, animals seemingly have a fear of unknowns...If an individual becomes more consciously evolved and developed a deeper understanding of life, some or all of that fear may not be present...However, this is in regards to earthly matter and earthly living, there are still a number of unknowns even on our own planet...If a mystic were to be taken by an alien species visiting our planet would he be fearful?...Perhaps so, but mainly on a corporeal level...I don't know what you may mean by 'believers' in the context of your paragraph but I think there are many people who look up at the stars and wonder what's out there along with perhaps a subtle background fear of what may be out there, especially if it's people who have read abduction and contact reports...

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Well Yes. There are in the context those who fear and those who do not. It can be cleanly put into that narrow specification, at least in the context I quoted. Let me give you an example,

Do you fear them?

Do you not? I'll bet it's one or the other, It's not narrowminded to be decisive in one's thoughts and choose parameters here. The outside stimulation of Horror stories of abduction scenarios could be True or false in a lot of cases. If you allow Hp Lovecraft to influence you You would probably fear giant tentacle monsters, Or perhaps some would worship them, For me, Hp Lovecraft never entered the equation. Thats the difference.


At some point in the abduction scenario, We have to consider, okay there are a lot of abduction stories out there. So by this logic, We must assume that some abductions have taken place brother, But, if there is a person so open-minded that he believes every abduction story he reads.. That's breaking the credibility of those stories that do have credibility, In a lot of cases, The Most credible abduction stories are not horror stories, Even Travis Walton later in his life submitted that the way he experienced his event was heavily influenced by the media of the time, So it became a horror story. He later accounted that maybe they took him because the bolt of light that hit him damaged him and they had to maybe somehow heal him.

it all comes full circle when you realize, Fear is subjective, What is dreadful for one person may not affect someone else. What scares you, May not scare another.

Basically, I tend to steer clear of these kinds of stories, they subjectify an already complicated quagmire. Maybe they aren't aliens after all maybe they have been here all along living inside the ground. This kind of story detracts from truly getting to the heart of Abduction experiences and coming to a great understanding. All for the sake of putting a twist on an old quandary.


If they aren't from space, Then Where are they from? as many reported cases of close encounters. why don't we run into ufos regularly when we go to wal mart? Because only about five percent of all reported cases have any truth to them, The rest are attention seekers, And We all know this.

I think they have been here, More than once, Possibly many times,

Not as many as someplace Like Mufon would lead you to believe.. One has to keep a level head about this, Or the next thing we know people will all be wanting to drink the Kool-Aid and wait for the comet to pass over us. We are on shaky ground already in what we believe, We have to keep our wits about us.

We have to be open to the idea, That not just some people, But a lot of people will lie or embellish a story for attention or fame. It happens.

Where this story falls apart is asserting the wild fantasy that The skies are just eaten up with ufo activity. They pour it on awfully thick. If the data Matched their story we should be able to spend the day in the park and see five ufos.. ... See what I'm getting at here.

I admit people tend to fear the unknown. ... Maybe I'd be afraid, If I was face to face with them, I don't know. I like to think I'd be fascinated and interested in their technology and gadgets though.

The Newer philosophy on this is. The idea of extraterrestrials, That's not anything New. It's Somewhat of a known thing, So It's not unknown, I don't know that everyone universally would automatically Fear encountering extraterrestrials in light of the fact that so many have dreamt about it their entire lives at this point.

Couldn't add to the last post. But, I feel that people tend to think along the lines that Every encounter and every time a person boarded a craft could be labeled abduction. I'll bet everyone here knows at least one person who would go willingly and I ask, At that point, is it Abduction?

What makes it scary is how the story is spun to people, Abductions, Kidnappings, horror stories,, Why does it have to be that way? because a bunch of Authors who sell books wrote it that way? If there are so many aliens and they are all out to hurt us, How are we still alive?

I think about Et's the way a physicist would, Aliens are possible. Ufos are possible, Entirely.


The galactic federation and Ashtar empire, That's probably a work of fiction.

During my first experience, I was a bit afraid but didn't want to convey that. I was alone on the highway. I was worried that the objects would come closer and that would have been traumatic. I didn't want to pull out my cell phone in my glove box because I didn't know how that would be construed. I also didn't want to stop watching the objects in case I missed something. Post Traumatic Awe Disorder is how I would have described it. Even though I was not in a severely frightened state, it had an impact on my body; I got shingles some time after the experience and I had a way odd blood test that caused me to get rid of a bunch of my toxic oil paints in case that was the issue.. It wasn't.

Chris Mellon on the origin of UAPs:
UFO Expert Chris Mellon: Based On What We Know About UAPs, Aliens Are The BEST Explanation - YouTube

Chris Mellon on the origin of UAPs:
UFO Expert Chris Mellon: Based On What We Know About UAPs, Aliens Are The BEST Explanation - YouTube
OR..
1. China or Russia have developed technologies in secret decades ago, many generations ahead of the US, , periodically flying them over the continental US where they could crash into a nuclear facility or airport or plane causing an international incident and perhaps WWIII, or into a warship, where they have vastly increased the odds of that happening by flying nine at at time around our ships, in our waters.. :-D, yet they still keep trying to equal US technologies, and sink tons of money into c0nventional armaments instead of their new revolutionary vehicles = Not.
2. The US has developed these devices about 70 years ago and tests them over the continental US where they could crash into a nuclear facility or airport or plane, and over other countries where they could crash into a nuclear facility or airport or plane causing an international incident and perhaps WWIII, while we sink money into things like the F-35.. The whole time the government secretly studies their own devices for decades, without someone making a simple call and saying "they're ours", "cut it out". Saying that it is a secret US technology would only help us too. Flying them around our ships nine at at time while they are brilliantly glowing, risking a crash or something else, that would force us to spill the beans to the world = Not.
3. They are cryptoterrestrial devices; this idea is so strange and unlikely, I won't bother trying to refute it..