Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

GiantsBain

Honorable
nore truth from UFO trail.


Absolutely, the more i learn about this case the angrier i get.
I read this week where one kind hearted family paid his rent for an entire month, only to learn 2 weeks later he was being evicted anyway.
These people were not strangers, they thought they were friends, you dont take a thousand dollars from a friend knowing it wont fix the problem, that that large sum of money will just be wasted and an eviction will ensue anyway.

Some traits of the sociopath.

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose

Profile of the Sociopath

Anyone who has read the years and years of BS, who has dealt with him personally, will read the above and go "Thats him".

We should absolutely keep the spotlight on this clear and obvious sociopath and con man.

He disgusts me.
I absolutely do not understand how associates and continuing enablers of Steinberg cannot look at actual accounts of his duplicity, cunning, and lack of remorse and continue to support him in any way. He is an infected skin tag in the center of the sweaty ass crack of humanity (with an ingrown hair sprouting from it).
 

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
I absolutely do not understand how associates and continuing enablers of Steinberg cannot look at actual accounts of his duplicity, cunning, and lack of remorse and continue to support him in any way. He is an infected skin tag in the center of the sweaty ass crack of humanity (with an ingrown hair sprouting from it).

By now everyone involved knows exactly what Gene is and what he has done. If they look the other way or deny it, it's because they don't care about him scamming people and are only interested in what they can gain for themselves in the whole enterprise (as moronic as that is). That makes them just as disgusting and crooked as him.
 

goblin

Noble
I absolutely do not understand how associates and continuing enablers of Steinberg cannot look at actual accounts of his duplicity, cunning, and lack of remorse and continue to support him in any way. He is an infected skin tag in the center of the sweaty ass crack of humanity (with an ingrown hair sprouting from it).

All in all, I agree with you.

When I see people continuing to support him, I figure...

They either don't know enough about him, "just heard he has financial problems".

They know he requests money endlessly and suspiciously, but think well, it's UFOlogy, there's lots of eccentrics out there, Gene's quirk is that he begs for money.

If I am correct, then what I think is those folks miss is that this is more than a quirk, more than an unfortunate eccentricity; this is a guy who has harmed people and who has no problem with doing so again. From all the evidence it's just how he lives. He doesn't care if he takes money from people who can't afford to give it, but who are giving it because they think he is a good guy in dire straits through no fault of his own. He doesn't care how many landlords he burns - he allegedly revels in it, in fact.

I think of those people and wonder, if they listened to the Paracast episode that exposed Bill Knell, after hearing that episode, would they have then agreed to appear on a podcast hosted by Bill Knell?

I guess then there could be a third category of well-informed folks who genuinely don't mind supporting the Paracast and Gene despite all they know about him. I have no explanation for that and will not even attempt to make an excuse for them. Well except to speculate some could be longtime friends of Gene's, like Allen Greenfield.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
You have to wonder about the motivations of people like Don Ecker, Greg Bishop, Paul Kimball etc. Kimball recently began to criticize Steinberg but for the longest time he was providing content for the Paracast. It’s only lately that he pulled his support. Ecker and Bishop, I don’t get at all. They can’t play ignorant after all these years. What’s worse is that Ecker prides himself as a law enforcement officer in his past life. How he can turn a blind eye to Steinberg is beyond me. Shame on all of these people.
 

goblin

Noble
You have to wonder about the motivations of people like Don Ecker, Greg Bishop, Paul Kimball etc. Kimball recently began to criticize Steinberg but for the longest time he was providing content for the Paracast. It’s only lately that he pulled his support. Ecker and Bishop, I don’t get at all. They can’t play ignorant after all these years. What’s worse is that Ecker prides himself as a law enforcement officer in his past life. How he can turn a blind eye to Steinberg is beyond me. Shame on all of these people.

I always figure (fwiw, ymmv) with Bishop it's something like, yeah Steinberg's an eccentric con artist but it's UFOlogy, what're you gonna do - the field is and always has been full of disreputable 'characters'.

I don't know what Bishop really thinks though so I should stop assuming.

With Ecker maybe he takes pity on Steinberg...? Maybe he just stubbornly doesn't want to change his mind or admit he's been helping to prop up a fraud? I'm with you, it doesn't really fit for me with Decker's pride in having been a LEO.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I always figure (fwiw, ymmv) with Bishop it's something like, yeah Steinberg's an eccentric con artist but it's UFOlogy, what're you gonna do - the field is and always has been full of disreputable 'characters'.

I don't know what Bishop really thinks though so I should stop assuming.

With Ecker maybe he takes pity on Steinberg...? Maybe he just stubbornly doesn't want to change his mind or admit he's been helping to prop up a fraud? I'm with you, it doesn't really fit for me with Decker's pride in having been a LEO.
I always figured that Ecker didn’t want to admit he was snookered by others. When the Eckers let Bill Birnes and his wife buy half of UFO Magazine, the Birnes’ wanted to run their share of the magazine their way.

That didn’t sit well with Eckers so they sold out their share of the magazine. Ecker always explains it that they were tired of the UFO field. It was more like the Birnes’ were going to do things their way from now on and that didn’t sit well with Don and Vicki.

Steinberg let Don Ecker have a column for Dark Matters Radio info on the Paracast website. Ecker couldn’t very well criticize Steinberg on his shady monetary dealings so he kept his mouth shut. The other funny part is that Steinberg is a liberal and Ecker is conservative as they come. It must have hurt that Don had to bite his tongue when Steinberg went on one of his leftie rants. Strange bedfellows to be sure.
 
You have to wonder about the motivations of people like Don Ecker, Greg Bishop, Paul Kimball etc. Kimball recently began to criticize Steinberg but for the longest time he was providing content for the Paracast. It’s only lately that he pulled his support. Ecker and Bishop, I don’t get at all. They can’t play ignorant after all these years. What’s worse is that Ecker prides himself as a law enforcement officer in his past life. How he can turn a blind eye to Steinberg is beyond me. Shame on all of these people.

You could always just ask one of us. We don’t hide behind pseudonyms, and we’re all easy to find.

Jebus...
 

Standingstones

Celestial
You could always just ask one of us. We don’t hide behind pseudonyms, and we’re all easy to find.

Jebus...
As you have shown up miraculously out of the blue, please tell us your motivation for backing Steinberg for all this time? I'm quite sure Ecker would snap someone's head off for posing the question as to why he is buddy-buddy with Steinberg.
 

oxsnaard

Adept
As you have shown up miraculously out of the blue, please tell us your motivation for backing Steinberg for all this time? I'm quite sure Ecker would snap someone's head off for posing the question as to why he is buddy-buddy with Steinberg.
He said “ask”, you did, he left.
 

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
He said “ask”, you did, he left.

To be fair Paul is more active on Twitter and over the last six to eight months he has been one of the most vocal critics of Gene. It's just that if you are on here you don't see it. Remember at some point Gene fooled us all. He is good at playing the helpless old man card. Once all the information came out on UFOtrail and SchemeGeneRC he realised the truth same way many of us did.
 

goblin

Noble
I don't know if anyone has asked Don Ecker or Greg Bishop anything directly. I don't know either of them; I wouldn't care to talk to Don Ecker but Greg Bishop has always seemed reasonable to me. I do know of cases where scheduled guests were warned of Gene's hijinks and they appeared on the show anyway. 'Red Pill Junkie' comes to mind, and Sharon Hill I think her name was. There was a guy who appeared on the show then decided to not have anything more to do with it I believe also, I think that was Ryan Sprague maybe. I dunno, this all from memory. Point being I've never talked to Ecker or Bishop about anything but find their choices odd. Perhaps the next time Bishop is on the show I can dm him somewhere to ask why he feels OK appearing, which, frankly there is probably no way to do that that doesn't come across as accusatory or confrontational, and I couldn't assume he'd want his response shared around.
 
Greg Bishop is buddies with Bill Moore. Bill Moore is persona non grata in the UFO field, and for good reason. I like Bishop's work, especially his book Project Beta, but he has made a number of choices I don't understand.
 

Kaidan

Adept
I'll just leave this here...



It's worth going back and listening to the early Podcasts with David Biedny. I started at the beginning and I'm midway through 2007. The episodes when he calls out Billy Meier's media guy and Sean David Morton are classic.

It's also great anytime David talks about his personal experiences in the field. The story about the spirit of the young girl he witnessed with his friend is fascinating. I'd love to know, David, if you've given that anymore thought in the years since recalling the story. I believe it happened 12 years prior to that podcast and it's been 12 years since you related the experience.

One of things I enjoyed about David's analyses of paranormal claims is that he's brutally honest, even when it angered the guest. I would imagine that if someone else told the story about the spirit girl he might speculate that it could have been a trick of the light, a weird reflection of a girl somewhere nearby and her ghost-like image appeared before David and his friend. Or could it have been a projection, someone experimenting with movie projectors or holograms?

I've had all kinds of paranormal experiences myself and most always think they're authentic at the time, then later I try to rationalize and usually come up with one or two more reasonable explanations. I still believe the events could be genuine, but I also consider the possibility that my brain has been food by some outside forces. Or maybe even those inside my brain.
 
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