Latest on Bob Lazar

CasualBystander

Celestial
Lazar reminds me of an experiment we did in high school.

The teacher said something to one student and it got passed through all thirty students.

What the final student heard bore no resemblance to what the teacher said.

I assume Bob's information is third or fourth hand. And technical information really suffers when communicated to someone outside of the specialty.

It may have been correct at the source, but by the time it gets to us, it is what we hear.
 

Captain Tinkle

Honorable
Very ignorant of the writer calling Lazar and expert...ugh

...

I wouldn't put to much faith in the Daily Star. Used to be more boobs than news in the paper until the MeToo movement.

I've always reserved judgement on Lazar. The question is what does he get out of it? I mean he hasn't exactly cashed in on story from what I can see.

I shall read the boblazerdebunked website link someone posted with great interest though. Never knew this site existed.
 
Lazar's motive is clear enough to me, but that's all beside the point. He is full of shit, and any "investigation" that goes beyond the superficial shows that immediately. There is nothing to his story but silly bullshit. Unfortunately. I really wanted it to be true when he first got his fifteen minutes of fame, but the evidence speaks overwhelmingly. He was well established as a small-time con artist and bullshitter before he got famous, and that has not changed.
 

Dean

Adept Dabbler
I've always reserved judgement on Lazar. The question is what does he get out of it? I mean he hasn't exactly cashed in on story from what I can see.

"Cashed in"? Well, he has certainly tried to do so. Here are a few examples.

As early as 1990, Lazar was paid $5,000 for a single interview by a Japanese TV station. He was supposed to go to Japan for it, but balked at the last minute and "phoned it in." Supposedly 30 million viewers saw that program.

Here is a big example: "He sold the film rights to his story, to New Line Cinema, in 1993." [Source: Area 51: An Uncensored History of American's Top Secret Military Base, by Annie Jacobsen, 2011.] On June 11, 1993, Variety reported that "New Line finalized the deal for the untitled film... after Lazar considered competing offers from producer Steve Tisch, Simpson-Bruckheimer Prods. and actor Steven Seagal, [New Line CEO Michael] De Luca said.” More: “De Luca said the pic will have an $8 million to $10 million budget and will shoot in fall or early '94 with a '94 release.” The movie was never produced, however (it "suffered from troubles at New Line," said one source), and I don't know how much money Lazar actually realized from the deal.

"He [Lazar] had been paid to serve as consultant for a plastic kit of the saucer 'Sport Model' for the Testor company. Packed with each kit was a poster, just as Lazar had described, bearing the words 'They're here!'" [Source: Dreamland: Travels Inside the Secret World of Roswell and Area 51, by Phil Patton, 1998.]

Then there was the deal with Bob Bigelow. Jacques Vallee wrote in Forbidden Science 4, in an entry for 1997 (page 352): "Bob [Bigelow] once created a company with Bob Lazar, the Zeta Reticuli Corporation, to exploit the wondrous supposed properties of Element 115. Lazar exhibited a substance that was light, foam-like, and almost weightless, hinting it would revolutionize energy and propulsion. The cooperation only lasted until the day when Bob [Bigelow] noticed a container of Lazar's secret sauce in a corner and recognized it as a commercial emulsive product!"

Even now, Lazar's United Nuclear firm maintains a website on which Lazar sells paraphernalia spun off from his flying-saucer story, such as a poster depicting Lazar's notion of a captured alien spacecraft ($20, autograph available for no additional charge), and a T-shirt ($15) depicting atomic attributes of "Lazarium," which (believe it or not) is what Lazar calls a hypothetical isotope of element 115, the element which the rest of the world knows as moscovium.

It appears that the Navy pilot/AATIP revelations of late 2017 were perceived by certain people as an opportunity to revive the discredited Lazar story and present it to a new and credulous audience (after prettying up some of the more garish elements of the original stories, and minimizing, excusing or ignoring Lazar's proven falsehoods).

Although Lazar is shown in the Corbell film saying "I don't like to be in the public eye" and "I have better things to do," I think we need give little credence to those protestations. Lazar has an "autobiography" coming out soon, aptly titled Dreamland -- hardly the act of someone who is shrinking from the public eye or from profit.
 

Attachments

  • Testor kit for Lazar Sport Model.JPG
    Testor kit for Lazar Sport Model.JPG
    47.6 KB · Views: 137
  • United Nuclear -- Lazarium coffee mug.png
    United Nuclear -- Lazarium coffee mug.png
    489.8 KB · Views: 128
  • United Nuclear -- Lazarium T-shirt.png
    United Nuclear -- Lazarium T-shirt.png
    209.8 KB · Views: 133
  • Lazar Bigalow document.jpg
    Lazar Bigalow document.jpg
    106.6 KB · Views: 142
Last edited:

nivek

As Above So Below
I don't think this has been posted yet, Michael Schratt debunking Bob Lazar...PDF attached, apologies if I missed it already in this thread...

The Lazar Report - Fraud, Fiction and Fantasy at S4

A technical white paper analysis of the claims made by Robert Scott Lazar.
 

Attachments

  • TheLazarReport.pdf
    8 MB · Views: 163

nivek

As Above So Below
 

nivek

As Above So Below
 

Dean

Adept Dabbler


Mick West is right about this. The presentation regarding the scanner in the Corbell film was one of many tendentious, melodramatizing distortions in that film.
 

Attachments

  • hand scanner 1973.jpg
    hand scanner 1973.jpg
    590.1 KB · Views: 143

nivek

As Above So Below
Mick West is right about this. The presentation regarding the scanner in the Corbell film was one of many tendentious, melodramatizing distortions in that film.

'Distortions' is being generous, I prefer to use the word 'deceptions' lol, I haven't seen the film though, not sure when or if I will...

...
 

nivek

As Above So Below
 

Dean

Adept Dabbler


I eagerly await the next YouTube video, expounding on what the shape of Lazar's earlobes (or lack thereof) reveals about the truth of his account of the nine spacecraft he says he saw (in a hanger built into a mountain at Papoose Lake -- where photos taken by American pilots and Russian satellites in 1993 showed no facility existed).
 
Heh. You would think the fact that his elaborate and very specific lies about "S-4" would be enough to sink the SS Lazar, but people wanna bleeve.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Sure Jeremy, whatever you say...(you are supporting a bullshitter and fraud) :Whistle:

 

Dean

Adept Dabbler
More responses to Jeremy Corbell on the hand scanner, and some other Lazar-related issues:

 

Attachments

  • Johnson response on scanner.png
    Johnson response on scanner.png
    226.7 KB · Views: 137
  • Corbell on scanner, Johnson response.jpg
    Corbell on scanner, Johnson response.jpg
    369.5 KB · Views: 136
  • Lazar education twitter thread.jpg
    Lazar education twitter thread.jpg
    431.9 KB · Views: 136
  • education (end).jpg
    education (end).jpg
    137.4 KB · Views: 147
Last edited:

nivek

As Above So Below
More responses to Jeremy Corbell on the hand scanner, and some other Lazar-related issues:


Its pathetic of Corbell to promote this fraud Lazar, of course greed shows itself in so many ways these days, makes me sick sometimes...

I like what the Rational Wiki says in its opening paragraph about Lazar:

Robert Lazar (1959–)
is a double-edged sword of a UFO crank. On the one hand, he's a pathological liar with a long laundry list of fantasies about working at Area 51. On the other hand, he runs United Nuclear, one of the very few chemical supply houses still supplying as many unrestricted chemicals as possible to amateur chemists. Make of him what you will, but if you need fifty feet of magnesium ribbon, a neodymium magnet the size of a brick (for, I don't know, wiping credit cards from ten feet away?), or a jar of heavy water, he's your best source.

And moving down to the 'Proof of his Claims' section of the Rational Wiki we find this:

Tumbleweed.gif
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Corbell named researcher of the year for his Lazar movie, lol, pathetic...

 
Top