9/11 Remembrance

But horizontal force from the crashes was not the mechanism of collapse. Visibly, because the impacts did not induce significant horizontal movement of the towers. Further, no official account of the collapse of the towers claims that this was the mechanism of collapse, so what you wrote is irrelevant. The towers collapsed due to the force of gravity, and the reason was the weakening of structural steel members due to heating from fire. This mechanism of collapse has been observed in many steel structures that have collapsed in fire, and not just the Twin Towers.

I believe when they were built an airliner crash was considered but the 707 is what they had in mind not a 767. The wind load is what it is and they were designed to survive what local conditions had to dish out.

Unlike the Empire State Building which has a central support structure and did survive the direct impact of a much smaller plane the towers were not engineered like that. The fuel fires caused the floors to collapse.

Missiles, false flag foolishness, directed energy weapons are pure internet fodder.

Probably this should get moved over to the Conspiracy thread.
 
But horizontal force from the crashes was not the mechanism of collapse. Visibly, because the impacts did not induce significant horizontal movement of the towers. Further, no official account of the collapse of the towers claims that this was the mechanism of collapse, so what you wrote is irrelevant. The towers collapsed due to the force of gravity, and the reason was the weakening of structural steel members due to heating from fire. This mechanism of collapse has been observed in many steel structures that have collapsed in fire, and not just the Twin Towers.
Fire was very dubious as well. Engineers who opposed the narrative had widely shown a photo of skyscraper in Barcelona, Spain that was totally burned out, but still structure stood up.

But what I wanted to say, but didn't, was that there was widespread evidence of presence of termite in the dust clouds that settled on surrounding area. Now termite when ignite can burn through steel. And it was expected that large quantities of termite to be used in building material of the towers. So, the lingering question is, who placed that termite into towers.
 
Firstly, obviously people DIED there. I never said or implied otherwise. Stressing that people died there is a very common and sleazy method to derail from the FACT that "planes" were CGI and that it was obviously 1000% an inside job (just like Operation Northwoods).

Your unnamed "friends and acquaintances" who supposedly "saw" a plane. "thousands of witnesses" WHAT thousands, NO ONE saw a plane, no one claimed to have seen a plane but a handful of bad actors (obviously underpaid).

On the other hand we have many credible on-site witnesses, reporters, civilians, EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION said "it just exploded", no planes at all, not even a sound of plane incoming, nothing, nada, zilch (more on sound faking in a second).

David Handschuh, who photographed the explosion of the second tower while standing directly below and looking up at the tower on the side where the supposed "plane" hit, did not see any plane.

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And right after reporter Don Dahler who was also there, first said "I didn't see the plane go in, it just exploded", then an hour later changed the story to "we witnessed the plane go in".

Here are the testimonies.....



Reporter Jennifer Oberstein who was on site and surely talked to many people there, neither she or anyone saw any plane.

"We have no talk of a plane"




Moreover, Ace Baker absolutely proved in his great documentary that "planes" were CGI.

Puff ball, what should be an explosion of the engines, in the Hezarkhani video the puff ball is visible under the left wing, as it should be, but in the Fairbanks video it is far above the wing. The red line covers the left wing exactly, it's crystal clear, it's a misplaced mask, they released that CGI montage later the same day, it was done in a hurry, so mistakes happened.

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There are only 3 live recordings of the alleged "plane", all 3 have an interesting string of matches, if just ONE of those was not satisfied the fake plane would've been impossible.

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A must-watch, 911 Pentagon first responder Adam Eisenberg.....

"In my 240 hours on site, I never once saw anything that looked like a plane part. I never once saw anything that looked like an individual that had died on a plane. I didn't see any personal effects that looked like luggage. Every single thing that we saw—everybody that we saw—was somebody that was killed inside the Pentagon."



April Gallop survived the Pentagon, she saw no sign of any plane as soon as she crawled out immediately after the detonation.



Not to mention that it is unrealistic that a Boeing 767 can even reach 510 knots aka 940km/h at an altitude of 300m due to the choking effect, because the air is too thick, and if it were to reach that speed in a dive the plane would fall apart immediately.

Not only would it fall apart at that speed, according to Boeing's own specifications, but at 360 to 420 knots at an altitude of 1000 feet, i.e. 300m, the wings on the 767 fall off.

WTC 1, 2 and 7, all three buildings fell in a literal free fall typical of controlled demolition. First responders and witnesses all reported secondary explosions and many of them describe a sequence typical of controlled demolition....


It is crystal clear that the explosions are occurring far below the collapsing peak, which no amount of compressed air can explain so many floors below.

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None of the 4 alleged black boxes were found at the WTC, but important that they "found" the "terrorists'" paper passports and a Bible fused with steel opened to the page that reads "Eye for an eye" and "Turn the other cheek".

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When footage of the "plane" was stabilized the cgi plane became more jittery, which is impossible, unless it is cgi which it is, and it follows the shaking of the camera.


View: https://youtu.be/UmcOEY2cfi8?t=9790


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It is not Interlacing jitter, Interlacing jitter on an object moving at a constant speed like the alleged "plane" before impact would almost certainly produce more regular jitter, and more constant frequency and amplitude. The CGI plane follows the camera shaking.

The satanic ritual, "reading lesson Pet Goat", Bush "informed" that a "plane" had hit the WTC and that "America is under attack", and yet he sat there for almost 7 minutes reading Pet Goat, the 60th story in the book. To make it a total circus he later said that before entering the classroom he saw on TV the first plane hit altho first "plane" was not broadcasted until the next day.

The children say "kit steal playing must" but it is crystal clear heard as it's meant to be heard

"hit steel plane must"

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and immediately after they all bend down (to Baphomet, Pet Goat) to pick up the book, a very obvious ritual worship of Satan, and open lesson 60. on page 153, 6 and 9.

They read from Reading Mastery: Rainbow Edition, Level 2, Storybook 1. The story ends with the words "more to come", 22 minutes after that the alleged plane hits the Pentagon, i.e. detonation.






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In the live broadcasts, they used badly edited cgi composites with a lot of glitches, contradictory perspectives, in identical shots that were shown later the same day, the background was completely removed, the trajectory of the "plane" was contradictory between the shots, the colors of the skyline were painted red like in the movies, although it was a normal day, the sky was normal blue.

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View: https://www.bitchute.com/video/CxHlhHbys12x

21:25 into the documentary. Same perspective, yet “plane” comes in from almost 45° different angle and very different altitude + backdrop is gone.

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ABC, CBS, FOX, CNN, NBC....they were all synchronized in the hoax, identical beeps, then a 17 second countdown to the supposed "plane crash" and then fade to black and an identical snap audio clip. The entire live TV broadcast on supposedly different TV channels was probably done from one control center and just streamed to different channels.

They used the identical audio clip of the woman's scream "God" in the TV broadcast of one footage of the alleged plane crash, and in the later "amateur" footage of Tina Cart.

CGI shots of Fairbanks and Hezarkhani, fake soundtracks. When the Fairbanks footage was first shown there was no sound, Fairbanks first blamed the FBI for removing the sound, then later said that he accidentally turned off the microphone because he was using that camera for the first time, and then on the In Memoriam DVD Fairbanks footage appeared with sound effects, then Hezarkhani CGI footage, when CNN first published that footage on the evening of 9/11. screams are heard but there is no speech, while on the America Remembers DVD a male voice "Omg, a plane just crashed into the building. I cannot believe it" appears on the supposedly same sound recording. Etc.
They didn't even try for the slightest bit of coherence, just mocking the masses.

By the way, Fairbanks and a number of authors of "amateur" footage were professionals from the photo/video/newsmedia industry, Evan Fairbanks was from KSK STUDIOS who worked on "Creative programming solutions for television, interactive and multimedia".

LUC COURCHESNE a Canadian 3D artist
CLIFTON CLOUD of 'Scharff Weisberg' audio-video services
SCOTT MYERS video/software engineer for ABC TV - US Navy
NAKA NATHANIEL New York Times multimedia journalist
DEVIN CLARK motion graphics animator at MTV / Comedy Central
SEAN ADAIR Adair film & video productions "Consultant in the arcane arts of digital media and visual effects."
KELLY GUENTHER Pulitzer-winning NYT photojournalist
ROBERT CLARK National Geographic photographer
JENNIFER SPELL director/producer 'SPELLBOUND pictures'
GULNARA SAMOILOVA Associated Press photo retoucher
THOMAS NILSSON photojournalist for Norwegian populist tabloid 'Verdens Gang'

Etc. It's a shameless and clunky inside job, with poorly animated cgi planes, cheap amateur actors and just overall done very poorly for a hoax they planned for more than 30 years.
 
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Your unnamed "friends and acquaintances" who supposedly "saw" a plane. "thousands of witnesses" WHAT thousands, NO ONE saw a plane
100% wrong and gratuitously insulting. You're sitting on your ass thousands of miles away looking at garbage online. We live here and lived through it and if you don't believe that I can live with it.

You're welcome to your opinions but I'd suggest the mods move this away from the politics thread and into the 'conspiracy theory' thread
 
100% wrong and gratuitously insulting. You're sitting on your ass thousands of miles away looking at garbage online.

100% wrong and gratuitously insulting garbage are the lies that you spread. You sit on your ass and LIE to people's faces. Have you no shame. No one is buying your lies.

Here is Bush's advisor Raynolds openly admitting there were no planes and that it was absolutely an inside job. As if it's not obvious already.


View: https://www.bitchute.com/video/WWfz1aicCEZk/

These are not my "opinions", these are facts obvious to everyone intelligent who looks into this topic.

And don't you plead to the mods to hide the truth.
 
I must correct this "No one is buying your lies."

Obviously many many are still buying his/official lies.

I should've written "no one INTELLIGENT is buying your lies".

Here is an AI summary how things really stand belief-wise, and it aligns quite well with what can be seen "on the terrain".
  • Official 9/11 story (on average worldwide):
    ~50–60%
    of people generally accept it.
  • People who doubt it in some way (worldwide):
    ~40–50%
    either question it, think key facts were hidden, or aren’t sure.
  • People who believe that there were no planes at all:
    Very small minority — likely under 5% globally
    , often considered a fringe belief even among 9/11 skeptics.
So as it goes intelligent ones are 5% or less, more likely 1% or less.

And those 95-99% that is where their power lies. Cause it is not enough to suspect the official story is not (fully) true as about half the people do, that is as good as nothing.

One must see clearly for what it is, an inside job, no planes.
 
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Also, among those who do realize there were no planes there are those like @MathEasySolns (MathEasySolutions) and few he is associated with who spread 4 big lies, not intentionally but due to lack of intelligence.

- planes were not cgi but holograms
- deny use of explosives
- TV footage is real and consistent in all videos
- Ace Baker is a disinfo agent

So, there is so much disinfo on this subject. Extremely rare are those who get it correctly.
 
I believe when they were built an airliner crash was considered but the 707 is what they had in mind not a 767. The wind load is what it is and they were designed to survive what local conditions had to dish out.

Unlike the Empire State Building which has a central support structure and did survive the direct impact of a much smaller plane the towers were not engineered like that. The fuel fires caused the floors to collapse.

Missiles, false flag foolishness, directed energy weapons are pure internet fodder.

Probably this should get moved over to the Conspiracy thread.
The towers were designed to withstand the impact from a 707, and arguably they each also withstood the impact of a 767, as it was the fires that brought them down some time after the impacts. One reason they did not last longer was that the impact stripped a lot of steel members of fire-retardant insulation, exposing the bare metal.
 
Fire was very dubious as well. Engineers who opposed the narrative had widely shown a photo of skyscraper in Barcelona, Spain that was totally burned out, but still structure stood up.

But what I wanted to say, but didn't, was that there was widespread evidence of presence of termite in the dust clouds that settled on surrounding area. Now termite when ignite can burn through steel. And it was expected that large quantities of termite to be used in building material of the towers. So, the lingering question is, who placed that termite into towers.
It depends on the design of the building. There are plenty of steel structure buildings that have collapsed due to fire alone. You might be thinking of the Madrid Windsor Tower, which suffered a partial collapse due to fire in 2005. It had a floor specially built to arrest the collapse of the upper floors, which is why it was only partial, and did not continue to ground level. So I would say that this is an example in favour of the notion that steel structures can collapse due to fire. It manifestly does not support the notion that steel structures are inherently resistant to fire-induced collapse, rather it demonstrates the opposite.
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With regards to thermite "evidence". There are enough ingredients in the official version of events to explain any thermite residues and the presence of thermite at the crash site. Thermite is a mixture of a metal, usually aluminium, and metal oxide (such as iron oxide, or rust). You have the presence of vast quantities of aluminium from the airframes of the airliners which impacted the buildings, which has a low melting point of around 660 C, and you have the presence of rust on the steel structural members of the buildings. If liquid aluminium flowed over rusty steel beams, we might well expect thermitic reactions.

Who expected thermite to be used in the building material of the towers?
 
I'm talking off a top of my head, but as I remember all steel beams in the Twin Towers were covered with 1" thick fire protection substance. That would mean that there was no rust, because this chemical cover. Rust would had been an oxidiser, because rust contained lots of Oxygen.
 
The towers were designed to withstand the impact from a 707, and arguably they each also withstood the impact of a 767, as it was the fires that brought them down some time after the impacts. One reason they did not last longer was that the impact stripped a lot of steel members of fire-retardant insulation, exposing the bare metal.

The four flights were chosen specifically for the fuel load as they were all bound for the west coast 3000 miles away. Arguably the buildings may have withstood the same aircraft minus that. No doubt the bombing in 1993 provided insight as to what would be necessary. Oklahoma City happened two years later and access to the various components used were curtailed so they had to come up with a better idea and unfortunately did.
 
I'm talking off a top of my head, but as I remember all steel beams in the Twin Towers were covered with 1" thick fire protection substance. That would mean that there was no rust, because this chemical cover. Rust would had been an oxidiser, because rust contained lots of Oxygen.
You need to demonstrate a few things:

1) The fire protection prevents oxidization
2) This oxidization prevention lasts for the entire duration the material was present
3) The fire protection had been present continuously throughout the 30-year life of the buildings providing no opportunity for oxidization to occur
4) The beams did not already have surface oxidization before the material was applied
 
You need to demonstrate a few things:

1) The fire protection prevents oxidization
2) This oxidization prevention lasts for the entire duration the material was present
3) The fire protection had been present continuously throughout the 30-year life of the buildings providing no opportunity for oxidization to occur
4) The beams did not already have surface oxidization before the material was applied
Without digging up the details, its almost 100% certain that steel used for skyscraper building was absolutely protected from rust. Both as a special steel blend, as well as whatever coating was applied to it. Which building owner in his sain mind would spend millions building skyscraper only to throw out paying tenants and while he's stripping all the furnishings 30 years down the line to remove the rust? It makes no business sense. Non-rusting steels are quite common nowadays.

Now, for fire protection I'm not expert. I only vaguely remember that somebody said that it was one inch thick, and that it can provide protection for some very short period, maybe 15 - 30 minutes. Something like that.

Aluminium in termite is in a form of mega-ultra fine specially made powder. If one throws aluminium beam into fire it will not burn. I've never seen burning aluminium beams. Aluminium must be in a very fine powder form. Its actually used as rocket fuel in solid fuel boosters.
 
Without digging up the details, its almost 100% certain that steel used for skyscraper building was absolutely protected from rust. Both as a special steel blend, as well as whatever coating was applied to it. Which building owner in his sain mind would spend millions building skyscraper only to throw out paying tenants and while he's stripping all the furnishings 30 years down the line to remove the rust? It makes no business sense. Non-rusting steels are quite common nowadays.

Now, for fire protection I'm not expert. I only vaguely remember that somebody said that it was one inch thick, and that it can provide protection for some very short period, maybe 15 - 30 minutes. Something like that.

Aluminium in termite is in a form of mega-ultra fine specially made powder. If one throws aluminium beam into fire it will not burn. I've never seen burning aluminium beams. Aluminium must be in a very fine powder form. Its actually used as rocket fuel in solid fuel boosters.

I asked ChatGPT about spray fire resistive material and oxidation protection. It had this to say:
"Spray-applied fire-resistive material (SFRM) is designed to be a thermal insulator that delays steel heating in a fire. It is not intended to be a corrosion-control coating, and it’s not a reliable long-term oxygen/moisture barrier.

How it relates to oxidation/corrosion:
  • At normal temperatures:
    • If the SFRM is continuous, well-bonded, and stays dry, it can reduce direct exposure of steel to air and liquid water in that spot — so it can slow corrosion locally.
    • But many SFRMs are porous and can absorb/hold moisture; if water gets in (leaks, condensation, wash-down, construction moisture), the SFRM can actually trap moisture against the steel, which can worsen corrosion unless the steel is properly protected (primer/topcoat) and details are well maintained.
  • At fire temperatures:
    • Oxidation (“scaling”) of steel increases with temperature, but in building fires the big structural issue is usually loss of strength/stiffness from heating, not the steel being “burned away” by oxidation.
    • The SFRM’s role here is to delay heating; it doesn’t function as an airtight seal, and it can crack/spall if damaged.
What would normally provide oxidation/corrosion protection is a steel primer/paint system (or other specified corrosion protection) plus building maintenance and moisture control—not the fireproofing itself.

So: SFRM isn’t a dependable oxidation barrier. Any “barrier effect” is secondary and inconsistent, and in wet conditions it can even be counterproductive."

Further, oxidation of steel can happen in the fire, and through exposure due to abrasion and impact. The fires continued for some time even after the buidings collapsed. NIST noted that there were not proper evidentiary controls on the handling of dust debris, so the provenance cannot be assured.

So you have to prove that thermite reactions took place, or that thermite existed in the rubble, and also that incidental thermite reactions either cannot possibly happen or cannot explain thermite evidence, if it exists.

If aluminium melts and flows over oxidized steel in a fire, it may cause small amounts of incidental thermite reactions.

Rather than simply "trusting authority", I note that the official explanation (airliner impacts -> fire -> structural collapse) is an adequate causal story that the controlled demolition conspiracy theory replaces with a more complicated (and therefore less parsimonious) one.

The most basic conspiracy theory, that does not introduce unnecessary complicating elements, is that the towers collapsed due to airliner impacts, exactly as the official explanation said they did. And that the attacks were orchestrated by the conspirators, or were allowed to happen. That is simpler and does not introduce unnecessary complicating elements about controlled demolition, thermite (or holograms :rolleyes:), etc, for no gain.

Even then, there is a complication that is not present in the official story: the target choice. Why would conspirators presumably consisting of senior members of the US government and possibly private elites attack the elite targets of the World Trade Center and Pentagon? So again, the official story still wins out in the parsimony stakes. If you go for the explanationthat the conspirators picked these targets because of course it would also look like al Qaeda would attack them, then you have to explain: what evidence would differentiate a scenario where al Qaeda picked these targets from one where alleged conspirators picked these targets to frame al Qaeda?
 
This is how narrative is controlled, how disinformation works. By making a lie a fundamental "truth" that is never questioned or talked about.

They start with an assumptions that there were planes and then "discuss" whether building can collapse due to jet fuel fires. How effective to totally remove the truth from the menu.

Notice how AD1184 intentionally uses the term holograms altho i clearly said CGI, NOT holograms. He never touches the word CGI. He knows well that "holograms" combined with an emoji works on the mind of an average reader to make the fact that there were no planes sound more far-out, "crazy".

As Ace Baker quoted in the documentary, when they get you to ask the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers.

Now, instead of discussing whether building can collapse due to jet-fuel-induced fire, first answer WHAT planes.

As Ace said correctly, the plane does not crumble, twist, bend, crumple, explode, or even slow down. Aluminum can hitting a wall of steel, no resistance AT ALL, the ghost plane. It is totally unrealistic and impossible in real world.

We'll focus now on the puff ball which proves planes are cgi. In Hezarkhani footage white puff balls are undeniably under the wings, supposedly jet engines exploding.

But in Fairbanks footage they are undeniably well above the wings, especially the left one. You can't have it both ways. In Fairbanks footage the animator due to hurry placed the cgi plane and its mask bit too low which placed the left puff ball way above the left wing.



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As Ace correctly says in the doc, under-over puff balls is (totally) irreconcilable with reality.

This is not going away. Fairbanks footage is a definite PROOF the planes are cgi.

Next point Ace makes in his great doc. Where is the wake vortex. Wake vortex of Boeing 767 wings is massive and would be very very visible in that smoke and would last for at least a minute, yet there is NONE.

No wake vortex AT ALL. This is not a minor thing, this is comical cartoon physics. You can't have a giant cloud of smoke in the place where a 767 just passed and have zero wake vortex, none.

 
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Ugh, Roger Waters (cough), the muppet who thought himself a diva, and hasn't made any good music in years...

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i definitely share with you the same musical taste regarding his artistic works, in fact I always found his intellectual strength more prominent than his musical talent, when it came to writing songs, hands down. As for his mindset, I have a different opinion.
 
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