Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

Discussion in 'End Times & Conspiracies' started by nivek, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. Ron67

    Ron67 Ignorance isn’t bliss!

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    It’s too early IMHO to think we are over the worst.In England the last 2 weeks have seen the lockdown eased and more people out and about (sadly not wearing masks).If there is no spike into the 3rd and 4th week I think we may be over the worst for the time being.I think but hope I’m wrong that this thing will come back with a bang as the cold season starts in September/October.
     
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  2. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    We are seeing a surge in cases in my state and it has not even fully opened back up yet...The business I work for has enforced their mask and eye protection policies regarding the coronavirus because of the surge of cases in this region...They are sending employees home who do not comply with the new policies, 4 people were sent home today and one employee said he was exposed to covid-19 over the weekend and was tested today...He is not allowed to return to work until the results come back in 2 to 3 days and if the test shows a negative reading...

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  3. Dejan Corovic

    Dejan Corovic Celestial

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    Can somebody explain to me what was wrong in what Cummings did?

    1) What he broke was not a law, but a recommendation. That means one is allowed to use his own best judgment in protecting his family.

    2) By driving his family 300 miles to Durham he never endangered any other member of the public with infection. If a family sits in a car with closed windows while driving on a motorway it can not infect anybody.

    3) Chance that his family would contract coronavirus is much higher in densely populated London than on a remote countryside property owned by his parents. From that point of view, he did the best thing to protect lives of his loved ones.

    4) The rule that he broke was too broad and not perfectly designed. If anybody had a second home where he can put up his family to save them from the spread of pandemic he should be able to do so. Current rule practically forces one to stay in the most contaminated zone even if they have options to move to less contaminated area.

    Maybe I can not see some other aspect of this drama, but Cummings simply acted to protect his family, and, while doing so, he never increased the chance of exposure to the coronavirus for anybody else.
     
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  4. AlienView

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    I've changed my mind maybe 10X since this Covid19 nightmare was made the #1 story Worldwide.

    - Sometimes thinking why haven't they done more?

    Then just today I read this article - And then you have to ask WTF are they really trying to do ???

    Antibody Tests Point To Lower Death Rate For The Coronavirus Than First Thought

    "Mounting evidence suggests the coronavirus is more common and less deadly than it first appeared.

    The evidence comes from tests that detect antibodies to the coronavirus in a person's blood rather than the virus itself.

    The tests are finding large numbers of people in the U.S. who were infected but never became seriously ill. And when these mild infections are included in coronavirus statistics, the virus appears less dangerous.

    "The current best estimates for the infection fatality risk are between 0.5% and 1%," says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security............."

    Antibody Tests Point To Lower Death Rate For The Coronavirus Than First Thought



    So the questions any reasonable persons would ask is:

    1. Why did they not follow the other option presented in the beginning
    which was to notify the public of the truth and encourage all older and persons with at risk medical conditions to self isolate and cater to this problem demographic rather than wreck the World's economies when right from the beginning they knew ti was a low kill rate disease for most people ??????

    2. Where can you find the actual death rate for those people not in the high-risk
    category ????

    3. What is the motivation??? - Was it really to save lives ???


    Maybe the whole dam pandemic, while possibly occurring naturally {or otherwise} has become an opportunity for the power elite to strengthen its control of the World's commerce and business and peoples lives ?????
     
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  5. Dejan Corovic

    Dejan Corovic Celestial

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    That is the second coming, as promised by virologists.
     
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  6. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    Sweden has the highest death rate per capita than any country in the world this week, data shows

    Sweden has the highest coronavirus death rate per capita than any country in the world over the past seven days.

    The country, which refused to impose a lockdown, has seen 5.59 deaths for every million people per day on a rolling seven-day average in the week to May 29. That rate is an astonishing 11 times higher than the world average of 0.49 deaths for every million people over the same period.

    Sweden's seven day rolling average is higher than any other country, followed by Brazil (4.51), San Marino (4.21), Peru (4.12) and the UK (3.78). It is also greater than other countries that have been hugely affected by the virus, including the USA (2.98), Belgium (2.49), Italy (1.55), Russia (1.02), and France (0.98).

    Despite the rolling average, Sweden does not have the highest coronavirus death rate per million people since the outbreak started.

    (more on the link)

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  7. Spaceman spiff

    Spaceman spiff Noble

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    The route Sweden has took is pretty much this:[​IMG]
     
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  8. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    Monkeys 'escape with COVID-19 samples' after attacking lab assistant

    A gang of monkeys attacked a laboratory assistant and escaped with a batch of coronavirus blood test samples, it has been reported. The bizarre incident saw the troop of primates launch their assault near Meerut Medical College in Delhi, India.

    According to local media, the animals then snatched COVID-19 blood test samples that had been taken from three patients and fled. One of the monkeys was later spotted in a tree chewing one of the sample collection kits, the Times of India reported - adding that test samples from the patients had to be taken again.

    The undamaged kits were later recovered, the Meerut medical college superintendent, Dheeraj Raj, told AFP.

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  9. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    The mild cases are included in the statistics...

    Coronavirus Update (Live): 6,023,032 Cases and 366,372 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

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  10. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    Today's stats thus far...

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  12. AD1184

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    There is a difference between the infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate. The latter is only among those who become a medical case (i.e. they present to the health care system in whatever country they become ill). The case fatality rate is necessarily larger than the infection fatality rate when people are missed by testing. The infection fatality rate has previously been reckoned to lie within the bounds in the article you mention. I cited a Lancet study more than two months ago in this thread which said as much. The British government's Chief Medical Officer, Chris Whitty, told a committee of MPs in early March "I have a reasonably high degree of confidence that one percent is at the upper rate of what the mortality rate is". An infection fatality rate of 0.5-1% is still not insignificant, and is very much higher for the elderly and those with underlying health conditions.

    There isn't really a single fatality rate figure, even when accounting for what 'risk category' people fall into. For example, if hospitals were already overrun with Covid patients, such that people had to be turned away, or given palliative care only, then the infection fatality rate would be much higher than if there were capacity to treat everyone who needed it.
     
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  13. wwkirk

    wwkirk Celestial

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    Good questions!
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  14. AD1184

    AD1184 Celestial

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    Not terribly good questions, but here are some answers:

    Inasmuch as maintaining a distance of at least six feet and wearing a mask 'work', they reduce the risk of transmission of the virus between people. Any one method works to reduce the amount of transmission, and in combination they work even more effectively. No one claims that either measure makes transmission impossible.

    The lockdown is a retreat from a losing battle due to inadequate preparation. If people could have been persuaded (or required) to maintain distance from one another and to wear masks in public much earlier, then the lockdown may not have been necessary. As it was, in many places the number of concurrently infected people rose to such a high number that authorities did not know how else to deal with it, or they feared that such a situation was imminent and did not have any other measures in place that would prevent it.
     
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  15. AD1184

    AD1184 Celestial

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    The law that Cummings broke was regulation six of the The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020:

    The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020
    Cummings and his defenders seem to be saying that his trip was covered by the 'reasonable excuses' in paragraph two of the regulation. As he put it at his press conference, there were 'exceptions' to the 'rules', but actually there are regulations and reasonable excuses.

    However, 6(2)(i)(i) is for the access of childcare as a critical public service. Cummings did not seek any public childcare service at his destination in Durham. It could only be a reasonable excuse if he did not have any other option. Most people in the country faced with Cummings' situation in the past few months have not had the luxury of a second home, and have dealt with the matter by staying in their primary residence. It is not clear why Cummings was not able to do likewise. Cummings could have endangered others with Covid infection if he had been involved in an accident on his drive to Durham, or if he had become ill enough to require hospital treatment, like the Prime Minister, in a more rural area of the country.

    "Essential travel does not include visits to second homes, camp sites, caravan parks or similar, whether for isolation purposes or holidays."

    COVID-19 essential travel guidance
     
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  16. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    I went to town yesterday evening about 6pm, theres two restaurants I pass if I go to Wal-Mart, a steak house and IHOP, both had full parking lots...Drove on and went in Wal-Mart and noticed during my short time there, only about 10 percent of the people shopping wore masks, the other 90 percent did not and groups of people gathered talking close together with no masks...The store employees did wear masks, some wore face shields...

    This when our state North Carolina reported its highest one-day spike of cases over Memorial Day weekend, and confirmed positive test results have been spiking in my area of the state too...Just in that same town I was in yesterday they had a spike in new cases along with the surrounding towns and counties...Virginia to the north made it mandatory to wear masks because of spikes in new cases, South Carolina to the south is showing spikes of new cases...Our state's are opening back up and I agree we should, we must open back up, BUT in doing so everyone needs to comply and wear masks, it protects those around us in public...North Carolina has 27,793 total confirmed cases with 11,910 of those being still active cases, we had over 1100 new cases yesterday and already have 944 new cases today...

    I think now and into the coming weeks is a dangerous time, more so than a couple months ago when it first started here...I hope I'm wrong but the virus may spread like wildfire now that things are opening up and with people who are not wearing PPE...We had two people at work this week test positive for covid-19, fortunately they did not expose other employees, they were exposed over the last weekend and got tested and waited for results before returning to work...

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  17. The shadow

    The shadow The shadow knows!

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  18. AD1184

    AD1184 Celestial

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    It's all right, folks. The coronavirus pandemic apparently ended to make way for the George Floyd protests.
     
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  19. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    The insanity in my country is over the top and surely this madness will herald in a fierce second wave of the coronavirus...

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  20. Sheltie

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    On the local TV news the other day there was a protester who had the selfish arrogance to say that the Covid-19 is "only a disease that old folks have to worry about."

    I've been reading that obesity is one of the factors that effects the severity of Covid-19 cases. This spoiled brat white kid was noticeably large. He appeared to be in many ways the perfect stereotypical millenial.
     
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