Does the story of the Nephilim actually relate the first Abduction report?

I needed to refresh my memory and rewrite a new chapter (the FINAL one in my book, which I am now editing for publication!!), so I thought I might share it with you here, since it applies to our topics.

We certainly can be assured that the Nephilim did not represent Angels, since
Jesus assures us that Angels neither Marry nor take someone in Marriage,
and his is, after all, the last word on the subject.

The Hebrews told us that the Nephilim were the "fallen ones", the sons of God, or the
sons of the gods, depending upon your outlook, and thus we might easily assign them the role of the sons of the sky gods, of Sumerian fame, who fell, or dropped from the skies, in order to take an Earthly woman for a wife.

Interestingly, the Hebrew Old Testament was written without vowels, which were
added perhaps a thousand years later, and so their Nephilim was actually N-P-L
with the "im" added to signify that it was a plural, since there were more than one.

How did all of the surrounding cultures, both prior to the Hebrews entering
the land of Canaan and during their early days in Canaan, define this NPL?

Ugaritic: ( a precursor to Canaanite ) NPL, ‘to fall’; fall to the ground, fall off a horse, fall from power , Example: the goddess Anat in Ugaritic myth ... npl ar~ he fell to the underworld.
Hebrew: From the root (n-p-l), forming words relating to falling.
Aramaic npl : to fall; ex: the moth fell into the snake's dwelling.
Classical Syriac: to fall, fall, falling, also: piece, bit, scrap, fragment
Akkadian roots npl for napalu(m) and napalsuhu, "to fall to the ground"

So there is quite a bit of evidence for "Nephilim" indicating a son of the gods who
descended from the skies, and very little to support the idea of "giants" but I will
not speak against the idea of giants at this time, since the Nephilim were often
described as being mighty, powerful, important, and large in stature.

Here is the passage from the Masoretic Text Old Testament in Hebrew , and this
translation is by sweet King James and company:

(Genesis 6:1-2) 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Wow, that almost sounds like it could be a love story. But is it?

Here are each of the original Hebrew words in Genesis 6:2 translated by lines:

and, therefore, yet, then
to look at, see, regard, learn about, observe, watch
plus the prefix Yud meaning he, they will
sons, grandsons, children, members of a group
the, this
gods (Elohim) plural of God
daughter, girl,
the, this,
man, human being
that, for, because, when, as though, as, because that
good, pleasant, agreeable (to the senses)
they, these, the same, who
and, therefore, also, then, yet
to take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy,
bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away (from a primitive root meaning to take )
to, for, towards, belonging to, in regard to, according to, plus the suffix her + their
woman, wife, female
a part, from, out of
all, the whole, each, every, anything
which, who, that which,
to choose, elect, decide for

So with all apologies to King James, what we have is something more like:

And therefore they will observe, these sons of God,
the daughters of the humans,
because (they were) pleasant, agreeable.
They therefore snatched her for their woman/wife,
which they had selected from the whole.

They may have made them their wives, and certainly their females, but
the text speaks of taking hold of their choice out of the ones available,
and does not seem to indicate that this was with the consent of the chosen ones.
In fact, it sounds suspiciously similar to a modern-day alien abduction scenario.
They watched, they picked one (or more), they snatched them up.

This is by no means a complete list, but here are four steps common to
the events that abductees have associated with their abductions:
1. observation
2. target selection
3. abduction
4. women in particular

UFOs are frequently observed either by the abductees themselves or by others in
the immediate vicinity of an upcoming abduction event. (1) They watch the scene.
Aliens then circle a house or make a landing nearby, select someone to abduct, (2)
and this is most often a female, snatch them, (3) take samples of their ovum and DNA,
(4) and sometimes decide to use them to create hybrid alien-human babies.

So let's look at this verse in Genesis once more:

Genesis 6:2
And therefore they will observe, (1) these sons of God,
the daughters of the humans,
because (they were) pleasant, agreeable.
They therefore snatched (3) her for their woman/wife, (4)
which they had selected (2) from the whole.

And now we have the opportunity to examine this with fresh eyes, and
a calm head, and decide whether or not this was actually the first
written report of an abduction by extraterrestrials.

Thoughts, comments, cries of anti-Christ, torches anyone?
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
Here is the passage Genesis 6: 1-4
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown
 
Here is the passage Genesis 6: 1-4
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown
Yes, that looks like the King James Version. I'm not sure how you mean to apply that to the topic as given above. Giants is certainly the definition for Nephilim that KVJ gives, and I will agree that they
were reportedly tall. In fact, King David slew Goliath and then picked up his spear and cut his head off with it, so he must have been a near giant as well. But really if we are reading a text that was authored by the Hebrews, we should at least include their own definition of Nephilim when we examine the topic.

One of the reasons for my claim is simply this. According to the lineage of Jesus, on his mother Mary's side, he is directly related to Anak of the Anakim, who the Bible tells us were related to the Nephilim as well.
So if they were Giants, then I wonder if perhaps Jesus was very tall as well?
 
Here is the passage Genesis 6: 1-4
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto
Shadow, I would like to thank you for your response. I now understand that it is better
to use the Book of Enoch, a non-biblical source, in my examples, and not the Bible.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
From Wikipedia.
The decision of the Greek translators to render the Heb. nefilim as Gr. gigantes is a separate matter. The Heb. nefilim means literally "the fallen ones" and the strict translation into Greek would be peptokotes, which in fact appears in the Septuagint of Ezekiel 32:22–27. It seems then that the authors of Septuagint wished not only to simply translate the foreign term into Greek, but also to employ a term which would be intelligible and meaningful for their Hellenistic audiences. Given the complex meaning of the nefilim which emerged from the three interconnected biblical passages (human-divine hybrids in Genesis 6, autochthonous people in Numbers 13 and ancient warriors trapped in the underworld in Ezekiel 32), the Greek translators recognized some similarities. First and foremost, both nefilim and gigantes were liminal figures resulting from the union of the opposite orders and as such retained the unclear status between the human and divine. Similarly dim was their moral designation and the sources witnessed to both awe and fascination with which these figures must have been looked upon. Secondly, both were presented as impersonating chaotic qualities and posing some serious danger to gods and humans. They appeared either in the prehistoric or early historical context, but in both cases they preceded the ordering of the cosmos. Lastly, both gigantes and nefilim were clearly connected with underworld and were said to have originated from earth and as well end up closed therein.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
Here is more.
Numbers 13:32–33, where ten of the twelve spies report that they have seen fearsome giants in Canaan:

And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Also I believe Goliath was a Nephilim.
As I believe the term can be used about Giants as well.
 
Jim I highly recommend this topic:
When Giants Roamed the Earth
Strong evidence exist for the existence of Giants.

I mentioned that they were tall, and I actually have no problem with the idea
that some of the reported findings do indicate giants lived on Earth in the past.
In fact, in Patagonia, the first Spanish explorers drew pictures of the nine feet
tall Native Indians there, who were indeed giants. The Biblical term does
mean fallen, however, as I showed in my etymology. But they were fallen from
the sky and giant in size, so that's where the confusion originally came in. They
were both.
 
Jim I highly recommend this topic:
When Giants Roamed the Earth
Strong evidence exist for the existence of Giants.

I had not looked at that thread before - obviously the first picture there is from Patagonia, so you were
indeed aware of the many mentions of Giants. I find that the meaning of "fallen" and the idea that
these sky gods fell from the sky is the big connection, and the fact that they were giant sized, but still
able to mate with humans tells us that they may indeed relate to my own theory which is that
some of the aliens are humans that have returned, perhaps still large in size from their lives
on planets with different gravity and atmospheres. I still think it's safer to use Enoch, ha ha.
 

dlw

Saved by grace
I needed to refresh my memory and rewrite a new chapter (the FINAL one in my book, which I am now editing for publication!!), so I thought I might share it with you here, since it applies to our topics.

We certainly can be assured that the Nephilim did not represent Angels, since
Jesus assures us that Angels neither Marry nor take someone in Marriage,
and his is, after all, the last word on the subject.

The Hebrews told us that the Nephilim were the "fallen ones", the sons of God, or the
sons of the gods, depending upon your outlook, and thus we might easily assign them the role of the sons of the sky gods, of Sumerian fame, who fell, or dropped from the skies, in order to take an Earthly woman for a wife.

Interestingly, the Hebrew Old Testament was written without vowels, which were
added perhaps a thousand years later, and so their Nephilim was actually N-P-L
with the "im" added to signify that it was a plural, since there were more than one.

How did all of the surrounding cultures, both prior to the Hebrews entering
the land of Canaan and during their early days in Canaan, define this NPL?

Ugaritic: ( a precursor to Canaanite ) NPL, ‘to fall’; fall to the ground, fall off a horse, fall from power , Example: the goddess Anat in Ugaritic myth ... npl ar~ he fell to the underworld.
Hebrew: From the root (n-p-l), forming words relating to falling.
Aramaic npl : to fall; ex: the moth fell into the snake's dwelling.
Classical Syriac: to fall, fall, falling, also: piece, bit, scrap, fragment
Akkadian roots npl for napalu(m) and napalsuhu, "to fall to the ground"

So there is quite a bit of evidence for "Nephilim" indicating a son of the gods who
descended from the skies, and very little to support the idea of "giants" but I will
not speak against the idea of giants at this time, since the Nephilim were often
described as being mighty, powerful, important, and large in stature.

Here is the passage from the Masoretic Text Old Testament in Hebrew , and this
translation is by sweet King James and company:

(Genesis 6:1-2) 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Wow, that almost sounds like it could be a love story. But is it?

Here are each of the original Hebrew words in Genesis 6:2 translated by lines:

and, therefore, yet, then
to look at, see, regard, learn about, observe, watch
plus the prefix Yud meaning he, they will
sons, grandsons, children, members of a group
the, this
gods (Elohim) plural of God
daughter, girl,
the, this,
man, human being
that, for, because, when, as though, as, because that
good, pleasant, agreeable (to the senses)
they, these, the same, who
and, therefore, also, then, yet
to take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy,
bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away (from a primitive root meaning to take )
to, for, towards, belonging to, in regard to, according to, plus the suffix her + their
woman, wife, female
a part, from, out of
all, the whole, each, every, anything
which, who, that which,
to choose, elect, decide for

So with all apologies to King James, what we have is something more like:

And therefore they will observe, these sons of God,
the daughters of the humans,
because (they were) pleasant, agreeable.
They therefore snatched her for their woman/wife,
which they had selected from the whole.

They may have made them their wives, and certainly their females, but
the text speaks of taking hold of their choice out of the ones available,
and does not seem to indicate that this was with the consent of the chosen ones.
In fact, it sounds suspiciously similar to a modern-day alien abduction scenario.
They watched, they picked one (or more), they snatched them up.

This is by no means a complete list, but here are four steps common to
the events that abductees have associated with their abductions:
1. observation
2. target selection
3. abduction
4. women in particular

UFOs are frequently observed either by the abductees themselves or by others in
the immediate vicinity of an upcoming abduction event. (1) They watch the scene.
Aliens then circle a house or make a landing nearby, select someone to abduct, (2)
and this is most often a female, snatch them, (3) take samples of their ovum and DNA,
(4) and sometimes decide to use them to create hybrid alien-human babies.

So let's look at this verse in Genesis once more:

Genesis 6:2
And therefore they will observe, (1) these sons of God,
the daughters of the humans,
because (they were) pleasant, agreeable.
They therefore snatched (3) her for their woman/wife, (4)
which they had selected (2) from the whole.

And now we have the opportunity to examine this with fresh eyes, and
a calm head, and decide whether or not this was actually the first
written report of an abduction by extraterrestrials.

Thoughts, comments, cries of anti-Christ, torches anyone?
Verse Analysis: Matthew 22:30 - Textus Receptus Bibles
but are as the angels of God in heaven. In heaven.
Paul refers to entertaining angels in Hebrews 13:2
2 Peter 2:4 speaks of the angels who sinned.
Jude 1:6 speaks of the angels who left their own domain
I believe the sons of God that came into humans were angels, some believe they were from the kin of Seth.
I dont think ET has any thing to do with it since there are no ETs.
CE4 Research Group - STOP alien abductions, is it possible? YES
 
Verse Analysis: Matthew 22:30 - Textus Receptus Bibles
but are as the angels of God in heaven. In heaven.
Paul refers to entertaining angels in Hebrews 13:2
2 Peter 2:4 speaks of the angels who sinned.
Jude 1:6 speaks of the angels who left their own domain
I believe the sons of God that came into humans were angels, some believe they were from the kin of Seth.
I dont think ET has any thing to do with it since there are no ETs.
CE4 Research Group - STOP alien abductions, is it possible? YES
Beginning with Rev Kirk in the 16th century, it's been proven that prayer does
not always work to stop the abductions, be they by ET or by Demons.
It's why most Exorcists work in pairs - the faith of one is often not
sufficient to drive them out. Cold Iron, on the other hand, does
and has worked for many thousands of years, and Red Ochre has
worked, because it also contains raw iron, for 200,000 years.
God bless you.
 

dlw

Saved by grace
Verse Analysis: James 4:7 - Textus Receptus Bibles
Submit is hard for some, which makes resist much harder, which makes his fleeing some thing that does not happen.
I am a strong believer in biblical text and young earth creation .I have read Enoch and Jasher which give two views to look at of what happen before the flood .Mans own sin was the cause of the flood and what happened with the fallen ones and their offspring did not help him any id reckon.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with all the saints.
 

dlw

Saved by grace
A look at it from Creation Magazine for a little bit more on the subject concerning the nephilim.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. Job 1:6 (NASB)

Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD. Job 2:1 (NASB)

This clearly shows that divine spiritual enties met "God" and "Satan" came with them.
I am no expert at these matters. Rather I'm referring to these beings as Angels.
I'm convinced that the "sons of God" are Spitual beings.
And "Giants" are the Nephilim.
The aduction of females is refenced In genisis 6. Now begs the question. Did they go willingly? Or taken?
 

dlw

Saved by grace
Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 19 - Modern English Version
The angels in verse 3 we see they ate bread, in verse 5 we see they looked like men, in verse 10 we see they are able to cause men to go blind, and they were able to save Lot from the judgment of the Lord.
In Acts 12:7-10 the angel made the chains fall off Peter and then they walked right past the guards .So angels that are doing the Lords work have the great power of the Lord working thru them.
Do the angels that rebel and sin have this same power? Imho their power is more the manipulation of mans thought to love their flesh. The sin of Adam is in every ones flesh so it probably did not take much for the daughters of men to lust after them.
Im not a bible scholar so your mileage may vary.
 
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. Job 1:6 (NASB)

Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD. Job 2:1 (NASB)

This clearly shows that divine spiritual enties met "God" and "Satan" came with them.
I am no expert at these matters. Rather I'm referring to these beings as Angels.
I'm convinced that the "sons of God" are Spitual beings.
And "Giants" are the Nephilim.
The aduction of females is refenced In genisis 6. Now begs the question. Did they go willingly? Or taken?
I don't think it would be very productive to ask an abductee if they think they went willingly .....
The Hebrew says taken, snatched, etc., so no, they did not go willingly
 
Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 19 - Modern English Version
The angels in verse 3 we see they ate bread, in verse 5 we see they looked like men, in verse 10 we see they are able to cause men to go blind, and they were able to save Lot from the judgment of the Lord.
In Acts 12:7-10 the angel made the chains fall off Peter and then they walked right past the guards .So angels that are doing the Lords work have the great power of the Lord working thru them.
Do the angels that rebel and sin have this same power? Imho their power is more the manipulation of mans thought to love their flesh. The sin of Adam is in every ones flesh so it probably did not take much for the daughters of men to lust after them.
Im not a bible scholar so your mileage may vary.


Well I read you link, and this is in relation to Sodom and Gomorah. One of the immense problems that I have with the scriptures in general is this idea of one man offering his daughters to the crowd in order to save these "angels" from being sexually abused by the crowd. He would rather have his own daughters sexually abused. Sure. But I notice he did not offer himself - not that strong a believer, huh? Only his poor daughters.

Another problem is when Jesus tells us to give up our families, pay them no mind, in order to follow him. In both cases I would rebel. Nothing, on this planet or in any other world, of the spirit or not, would ever convince me to choose some holy person over my family. That's just not common sense to me, and I would never do it.

That's why I am a Christian, and I do believe in some things, but not those words as they are
written or spoken. I follow the teachings of the Anglo-Saxons and Danes in that respect - family before all.

As to the young Earth, I could offer you two bits of evidence that might convince you that the ages of the patriarchs were not meant to be factual - they relate to a measurement of the circumference of the Earth that was hidden by the Bible authors long ago, so it would not be forgotten. But due to your faith,
you probably would ignore that evidence as well. I have no problem with that either.


And the first sentence of the first chapter, first book of the Bible (Genesis) , starts of with some interesting words that our biblical scholars "choose" not to translate. Not that they are not there, because the are there in many many places. But they "choose" (which, by the way, choosing is a human and not an inspired reaction - we don't choose when to follow the inspiration of God, so we should not confuse "inspired" text with "edited" text).

So our translators have decided to ignore those words.
When you read the text you are not given their meaning. Is that because God told them? Or isn't it to protect their own asses? Because in Gen 1:1 those words, repeated twice are eth. And eth, which they have
"decided" not to translate, over the last three thousand years and many different text versions,
means, very clearly in ancient Hebrew "as it was written" but it goes further because it
indicates "as it was written in Cuneiform". So, may I please have the book in cuneiform,
or the tablets, that they based the Bible upon? I would prefer to read them in that language
and do my own translating. So I can see what else they "chose" not to include or translate.

But they don't include those Cuneiform tablets because they don't have them any longer.
And instead, they will try to convince (con) us that every word is "inspired" and true.
If that were the case, why not be honest about it? You can not begin a fruitful journey of life with a lie.
You can not live a life of righteousness and ignore the truth.

I am not the anti-Christ = those translators are. They know the truth, You don't, and that's
why they feel that they can do as they will. Knowing the truth and choosing to lie makes
them the anti-Christ, because his words are important. Jesus did not tell us to leave some
of his words on the table when we recorded what he spoke.

You can, and probably will, ignore all that I have just written. It won't change the truth.
That truth will still be there, in every Bible in print, and it won't change until we make them
correct it. Just like UFOs and ETs will not exist until our controllers and owners admit them
and allow us to investigate and believe in them as a reality.

You can easily confirm this - go to QBIBLE.COM search the left side where it gives the Hebrew
words, and see that "eth" is there twice. It's also in quite a few other verses in Genesis, and
also in other books - a total of over 300 times in all. And ignored always.
Then look in Strong's Concordance and find that many of the scholars admit that they have decided not to translate or include those words, and it's because they say they are "not sure" what they mean.
It took me 15 minutes several years ago to learn that they meant "as it was written in Cuneiform".

Sometimes they call eth a supporting or emphatic verbal term, but even then if you read down the page they tell you that there is no evidence for that idea - it's just the best they could come up with. It's like the swamp gas and weather balloons of UFos - no evidence for that, just the best lie that they could come
up with.

There is, however, very clear evidence for "as it was written with a stylus or stick, which indicates Cuneiform". Look up the E and the T. You will see that one of the meanings is wooden stylus, engraving, carving into clay, etc. Can't get much clearer than that. So where is that book that they copied from? I want it.

Is what they have been telling us good enough for us? They are weak and ignorant and that's the best that they can come up with, so we just ignore the truth and go skipping on our way? I don't.

Is it ok to leave words out of the Bible? How about ignoring some, and adding others?
I can show you those as well if you like. Hundreds of examples.
Perhaps they left a few out in the story of the Angels as well? That might change everything.

I don't mean to pick on anyone, I just don't like the hypocritical way they do things.

I believe in God and especially in the Christ. I don't believe in stupid and weak translators
that have chosen to lie to us because we "can not handle the truth". I can.

You probably would not have received this mountain of information, most of which you
really don't care to read, if you had not mentioned Sodom and the father that offered his
daughters and not his own ass to the crowd. That one sets me off every time.

So, God bless and good luck to you.
 

dlw

Saved by grace
Yet the angels took care of the men who were pounding on the door before any thing else could happen.
Yet most of the apostles went to bloody deaths to bring the good news to others. There are many things in scripture that people can disagree about ,always has been ,that is why there are so many denominations.
I dont spend a lot of time in the old testament now days, i look to the present and future and the coming of the Lord.
I would rather be spreading the good news of salvation than dwelling on what may or may not have happened 5 to 6 thousand years ago. Maranatha
This is my last post on the subject before it escalates into a thread Nivek will have to shut down.
 

Rikki

High Priestess
I have dealt with spiritual entities. I will not be coy on this:
Nephilim are the result of sexual reproduction between a human and an angel occupying a vessel. Angels, of every variety, use possession as the means to interact with humans on Earth, and they require the vessel's permission before they can take any form of control, under a law mandated by the Goddess. Keep in mind that these live and dwell on other reality's that man is ignorant to! Additionally, demons require vessels to interact on Earth in physical form, even to hold a conversation!
Jesus himself was a highly advanced spiritual person, a great sage and saint. He taught not only in the Middle East, it seems, but throughout India where he is revered as an incarnation of the Buddha. he was the apex of human reincarnation.
I will not push my faith on others.
But will say that these spiritual entities have done such sex acts with humans in the past and will continue to do so.
Blessed Be
Rikki
 
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