Highly Dubious USAF UFO Explanations.

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  1. karl 12

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    Thread dealing with spurious, contrived or just plain ridiculous 'official' government UFO explanations.

    Am sure there are many folks out there not really into UFO research who just unquestioningly accept these USAF explanations without a second look but if a person examines the case histories then many of the 'debunks' simply fail to stand up.

    Heres a relevant statement made by Dr James E Mcdonald, an atmospherical physicist from the University of Arizona:




    Bluebook's chief scientific consultant Dr J Allen Hynek also stated in a 1968 letter that the project had conducted 'virtually no dialogue' with the outside scientific world and employed statistical methods that were 'nothing less than a travesty' - he also shares his thoughts below on Bluebook's debunking agenda and describes how they 'jumped handsprings' to keep the hot reports away from the public:







    Dr Jacques Vallee also doesn't sound too impressed in this clip and calls some Bluebook explanations 'completely ridiculous'.


    See 1:05





    Not to be outdone Richard Dolan also brings up some really interesting government documents in this vid including one from 1955 which discusses the need for 'reducing the number of Bluebook unknowns to a bare minimum'.


    See 6:00





    Thread might be quite a big one but thought it would be worthwhile (and prudent) to compile a list of specific case examples involving highly dubious USAF debunkery so if anyone knows of any others then please feel free to post.




    • Redmond, Oregon, Sept 24th, 1959.

    USAF "Force fit" debunk:

    Venus








    • Dayton, Ohio, March 8th,1950.

    USAF explanation.

    Venus.








    • Chorwon, Korea, 30th May 1952.

    Blue Book's evaluation:

    Balloon with flare.
     
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    • Minot AFB UFO, October 24th, 1968.

    Very intriguing witness testimony from pilots and security guards involved in the Minot AFB B-52 incident of 1968 - the UFO was confirmed on radar and witnessed by several (separately located) military personnel including the crew of a B-52 as they passed overhead.

    See 36:10



    Bluebook Explanation:

    Twinkling stars









    • Kirtland AFB UFO, Nov 4th, 1957.

    Another very intriguing radar / visual UFO incident from Kirtland Air Force Base in which two air tower control officers witnessed a very strange egg-shaped object 'with no wings, tail, or fuselage' hover and then fly across the runway on November 4th, 1957 (lots of very similar reports around same time).



    USAF explanation:

    Aircraft.









    • White Sands Missile Range, Nov 3rd, 1957.

    The day before (Nov 3rd, 1957) - another egg shaped object over White Sands Missile Range - apparently the planet Venus can give you sunburn.

    White Sands Engineer:

    USAF explanation:

    Venus

     
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    • Levelland UFO wave - 2nd / 3rd November, 1957.

    Following on from all the egg shaped UFO reports around the beginning of Nov, 1957 - there were also quite a few extremely strange oval / ellipsoid shaped objects being witnessed in separate locations around Levelland - EM effects also reported.


    CBS Newscast of November 3, 1957.




    USAF Explanation:

    Electrical storm


    Rebuttal:









    • Edwards AFB, October 7th, 1965.

    Another quite remarkable radar / visual case from Edwards Air force base in 1965 involving several UFOs over a secure military runway - the objects were witnessed by several Air Force personnel, confirmed by multiple radar and the US military even scrambled fighter to go after them.

    Some very interesting testimony from the air traffic controller Chuck Sorrels.. and a highly dubious USAF UFO explanation.


    NICAP's Francis Ridge on this case:




    USAF 'Explanation':

    Stars and Atmospheric anomalies
     
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    • Portage County Police Chase UFO, April 17th, 1966.

    Probably one of the most notorious (and lazy) UFO debunks in Project Bluebook history.





    USAF Debunkery:

    Venus









    • Michigan, March, 1966.

    The Michigan UFO sighting wave of March, 1966 where multiple town residents and police officers witnessed objects 'covered with red, green and blue lights zooming about at tree-top level' - one object even buzzed a police patrol car and the local sheriff stated that 'reports of UFOs have become so numerous recently that I haven't slept in 24 hours'.





    Official explanation:

    "Swamp Gas"


    Possible origin of Dr Hynek´s "Swamp Gas" explanation:

     
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    Griffiss AFB, April 8th, 1956.

    Griffiss Air Force Base advises commercial airliner to abandon landing and follow UFO:


    Television Interview with pilots:


    Air Force Explanation:

    Venus









    • The Red Bluff UFO incident - August 13th, 1960.

    Pretty amazing case and police officers described the object performing aerial feats that were 'actually unbelievable'.


    Police Testimony:


    USAF Explanation:

    Mars

     
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    Those are the same (kind of) UFOs that I saw --you can see them throughout the history of the phenomenon --those in my avatar.
    [​IMG]

    In one of the last episodes of "Unidentified" a witness described how three of them caused a military helicopter test to go out of control in the US south. I love the description you posted mentioning the UFO appearing as a shooting star initially --so many of them are described that way --but then they just stop dead and start maneuvering around. Great stuff as usual!
    The Venus explanation again...
     
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    Thanks for the post mate, great pic and lots of very interesting historical reports out there - it really makes one wonder if whatever is responsible for UFO origin is sharing the earth with us rather than just visiting it.

    Suppose it could be somehow related to ball lightning but your picture did remind me of this pretty crazy report from Wallachia on August 15th, 1663.

    Apparently a huge flaming sphere about 130 feet in diameter was witnessed by townsfolk coming out of the sky and hovering over the surface of a nearby lake whilst projecting two beams which penetrated the water.

    Two townsfolk in a boat could not approach it due to the heat but they said the beams reached the bottom of the lake.

    See 08:15



    Wonder what the USAF would make of that one. :)



    Mate these debunks do get quite funny after a while - here's a good one about 9000mph seagulls.



    • Goose Bay, Labrador, 1948.


    Official debunk:

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    Two maritime reports:


    • MV Coolsingel - October19th, 1958.


    Bluebook Explanation: Meteor.






    • SS Danfjord -January 21st,1956.


    Bluebook Explanation: Meteor
     
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    From your quote:

    So it changes direction and appearance but it's called a Meteor, wow!...

    ...
     
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    Yes indeed mate - really was reminded of this chap's comments from that Aussie water case. :)





    There really doesn't seem to be any shortage of BS debunkery in the USAF UFO files either - here are two more examples from the Chop Clearance list.



    And:


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    • Davis-Monthan AFB, Tucson, Arizona, May 1st, 1952.



    Pilot illustration:


    Excerpt from Richard Dolan's book 'UFOs and the National Security State':


    USAF Debunk:

    Objects were 'aircraft'.









    • The Selfridge AFB UFO incident, Michigan, March 3, 1950.


    USAF/Project Bluebook Conclusion:

    "Probable balloon."









    • The Fort Monmouth UFO Case - September 10th, 1951.


    USAF explanation:

    Weather balloon.
     
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    Flatwoods, West Virginia - September 12, 1952.

    Don't really know what to make of this one but Stanton makes some very interesting comments in the vid below and there were specific metal and liquid samples sent to the U.S. Government never to be seen again - there's also a restricted government document below which states the Pentagon was also asking for a soil analysis (and instructing the Directorate of Special Investigations to give 'utmost priority' to the lab analysis of the subject samples).





    USAF Explanation:

    Meteor









    • Redlands UFO, Feb 4th, 1968.

    Dr Hynek's comment pretty much sums things up on this one.





    Dr Hynek on the Redlands UFO case:


    USAF explanation:

    Aircraft.
     
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    Of course these UFOs are not ball lightning, or sprites or earthlights. They are intelligently controlled objects that glow brightly, able to vent energy from travel in one particular direction --the same way they cloak themselves. They are quite large and operate in groups. in 2016 the MoD released files and drawings of UFOs from "Section 40". I noticed the UFOs I and others saw there, described as "row of manouevering lights" (see below).
    When I first saw them they were in a row at a slight angle and were like bright glowing balls of silver, all confronting me in a row.
    More here: The Brit government 'knows more about UFOs than it's letting on and has own Area 51'
    row lights.jpg
     
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    No worries mate and do realise it's a bit of a stretch for the 1663 case in the Russian ball lightning video - when it comes to intelligently controlled, highly maneuverable, self luminous globes which change colour, cause EM effects and emit light beams which affect the environment (and people) then I don't think ball lightning, sprites or earthlights are the culprit either.

    Don't know if you've looked into Ted Phillip's research into Marley Woods shortly before he passed away but thought there were some pretty intriguing (and relevant) reports.






    Sounds like a mighty impressive sighting and wish I could have been there - also hadn't seen that MOD section 40 image before so many thanks for sharing it, below is a similar(ish) one from Dewey Fournet in 1953.


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    Intelligent Motions - Professor Michael Swords

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    • Sharman, Texas, 1965.

    Bright blue UFO confirmed and tracked on radar from Oklahoma witnessed (and photographed) hovering at about 45 degrees elevation over Highway 82 in Sherman, Texas - unknown object also seen by Police officer 30 miles to the North and Civil Servant 7 miles to the South.

    Link:

    History of the United States Air Force UFO Programs


    Bluebook Debunkery:

    Planets / stars








    • Wayne City, Illinois, 1963.

    Two motorists witness a big, white object 'about the size of a washtub' moving along at treetop level (about 20-degrees above the horizon to the southwest) near Wayne City, Illinois - the UFO then paces their vehicle for several miles zig-zagging over the road before hovering over the car and causing electromagnetic interference effects on the radio and engine.

    Link:

    1963, The Wayne City, Illinois Car Chase


    Bluebook Debunkery:

    Refuelling Aircraft or Venus

     
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    If I can dig it up, I found an old meteorological handbook in Google Books that described different kinds of meteors, with illustrations; one of the types was a disc-shaped meteor that would fly around and emit showers of colored light! Many folks who saw them long ago just lumped them in with other meteors --kind of like The Book of Miracles did..
     
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    Damn! Thanks for posting that image, Karl.. I hadn't seen that before. Some of those remind me of the 10 silvery discs my astronomer friend saw flying in a triangular formation over Portland, OR in the '50s, too.
     
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    I think the same silvery programmable matter spheres can also morph to simple discs as is useful or even oscillate in flight and sometimes emit the radiation you describe --and then glow.
     
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    Yes a truly interesting one mate, especially considering it was compiled all those many years ago - it was presented at the CIA sponsored Robertson panel and there's some great info about the meeting in this vid (one of the best I've seen on the subject).





    Another relevant one below where Dr James McDonald describes USAF UFO investigations as 'superficial and incompetent' and apparently "about 30 or 40 per cent of Bluebook cases may have been miscategorized by the USAF as 'identified' and the true number of credible cases grossly underestimated."





    BBSR14:


    Am sure you know this already but Stanton Friedman's archival work also exposed how the Secretary of the Air Force lied to the American public about BBSR14 which found that 'the better the quality of the sighting report, the more likely it was unexplainable'; that 'UNKNOWNS were observed for longer than KNOWNS' and that less than 2% of reports fell in the hoax category.




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    Yes the intresting thing is every time a longer study has been done it shows a residue of unknown anomalies, which remain so even after efforts of trying to understand them. Blue Book, Sturrock Panel, Cometa, GEIPAN studies, same things.

    And still we get the same old from the mainstream "theres nothing to it".
     
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