nivek
As Above So Below
She's been in bed and hasn't eaten with a fever, multiple other symptoms, apparently she's been sick a few days...
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She's been in bed and hasn't eaten with a fever, multiple other symptoms, apparently she's been sick a few days...
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nivek
As Above So Below
She's doing better now, I just heard the updates on her situation, her fever has broke and she's eating again, still recovering but doing well enough...
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wwkirk
Divine
My closest relative, a cousin, died a couple of days ago. The preliminary report attributes his death to COVID, but he had never been hospitalized and tested negative for it at some point.
I rode in a car with him for about 25 minutes just last week. I was wearing a mask, but he wasn't. Should I be concerned? Assuming it was really COVID, what's the incubation period?
I rode in a car with him for about 25 minutes just last week. I was wearing a mask, but he wasn't. Should I be concerned? Assuming it was really COVID, what's the incubation period?
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
10-14 days depending on the mood the CDC is in at the moment. If you think you've been exposed isolate yourself.
wwkirk
Divine
It's been 10 days so far. I can remain isolated for another 4 days, but had no hint of a possible exposure during the past week+ and was therefore not isolated.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
The CDC revised the initial 14 day period to 10 days some time ago so it sounds like you can breathe a sigh of relief. Into your mask.
nivek
As Above So Below
Was your mask covering both your nose and mouth completely?...So many people say they wear a mask but leave their nose hanging out, like my neighbor does...If so and if it's been ten days since that day I think you're fine, although we have to be even more careful now with the highly contagious UK strain spreading all over in our states...I know it's been confirmed in N.Y. but today the UK strain has been confirmed less than 50 miles from my house, it's got to be almost everywhere by now...
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wwkirk
Divine
Yes, completely covered. Either some people don't understand, or they're just contrarian.
AD1184
Celestial
The mean incubation period is 4-5 days. It is thought at most to be 14 days. It becomes increasingly unlikely that you have it after 5 days without symptoms.
Do you know how your cousin's death was attributed to Covid, if he was asymptomatic when you saw him approximately eight days before his death, as per your timeline? Was an immediate cause of death given? (i.e. Covid can cause death by a few different means--pneumonia and clotting, to name two). It may be possible that your cousin was an asymptomatic carrier, and his death was due to a cause with no outward signs prior to death, like a clot, if you do not know of him having the classic Covid symptoms of high fever, coughing, and difficulty breathing. This is rare, though. A negative test does not prove that someone is not infected with the virus, either.
Being in a car with a mask on when the other person is not is still a high-risk scenario for the mask wearer. The ability of a mask to protect someone is dependent on the type and quality of the mask used. With most common mask styles worn by the public, mask use is primarily about the protection of others, by containing the respiratory droplets of those who might be infected.
A car (presumably with windows up at this time of year) is a fairly poorly ventilated space that puts people in very close proximity to one another. It is now thought that Covid spreads significantly due to the aerosol route, and not purely from projected droplets, although droplets are still thought to be the primary route of infection.
Droplets behave ballistically, in that they move largely under the influence of gravity and travel a short distance before falling to the ground. Aerosols are smaller, and float on the air, and are not so easily contained by masks. They travel further and remain airborne longer. Spending time with someone in a small unventilated space therefore is a significant risk, even if one party is wearing a mask.
I think that mask wearing is sufficient as long as you are spending a short time in the place where you are wearing a mask, everyone else present is also wearing a good-quality mask in that place (no exceptions), and that space is also well-ventilated. If an indoor situation falls short in any of these regards, I would not enter even when wearing a mask. At least, not until this pandemic is over.
Do you know how your cousin's death was attributed to Covid, if he was asymptomatic when you saw him approximately eight days before his death, as per your timeline? Was an immediate cause of death given? (i.e. Covid can cause death by a few different means--pneumonia and clotting, to name two). It may be possible that your cousin was an asymptomatic carrier, and his death was due to a cause with no outward signs prior to death, like a clot, if you do not know of him having the classic Covid symptoms of high fever, coughing, and difficulty breathing. This is rare, though. A negative test does not prove that someone is not infected with the virus, either.
Being in a car with a mask on when the other person is not is still a high-risk scenario for the mask wearer. The ability of a mask to protect someone is dependent on the type and quality of the mask used. With most common mask styles worn by the public, mask use is primarily about the protection of others, by containing the respiratory droplets of those who might be infected.
A car (presumably with windows up at this time of year) is a fairly poorly ventilated space that puts people in very close proximity to one another. It is now thought that Covid spreads significantly due to the aerosol route, and not purely from projected droplets, although droplets are still thought to be the primary route of infection.
Droplets behave ballistically, in that they move largely under the influence of gravity and travel a short distance before falling to the ground. Aerosols are smaller, and float on the air, and are not so easily contained by masks. They travel further and remain airborne longer. Spending time with someone in a small unventilated space therefore is a significant risk, even if one party is wearing a mask.
I think that mask wearing is sufficient as long as you are spending a short time in the place where you are wearing a mask, everyone else present is also wearing a good-quality mask in that place (no exceptions), and that space is also well-ventilated. If an indoor situation falls short in any of these regards, I would not enter even when wearing a mask. At least, not until this pandemic is over.
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nivek
As Above So Below
wwkirk
Divine
What are you responding to?
nivek
As Above So Below
The statement he made about a negative test result, I wonder if that means that during the incubation period the virus doesn't show up on test results...
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wwkirk
Divine
I'm not sure exactly when he got tested; his son just mentioned it to me.
As for the cause of death, I know that this may sound slightly conspiratorial, but I suspect whenever there's a death plus positive indication of COVID, the death is often automatically attributed to COVID. Unfortunately, I don't know whether there'll be any further analysis, so we may never know the actual cause of death.
AD1184
Celestial
It's due to the unreliability of the tests. But the likelihood of detecting the virus is fairly low during the incubation period, and rises to a maximum on day seven or eight after having been infected, and then falls again.
nivek
As Above So Below
Well I got tested this past Friday after I came back from the mountain retreat I wrote about in the Lounge thread...I'm not sick nor feel sick however my drive was almost five hours to get to the mountain cabin and then five hours back after a few days there and I did have to stop at places out of town to get gasoline and supplies that I normally don't visit...
So I thought to be on the safe side and get a covid test...There's a drive thru testing site that's close to my house, about a five minute drive, I pulled up to the first tent and the nurse asked a few questions and took down my personal information for contact...One of the questions was if I had been tested previously which I said no, then she had me pull up to one of the three other tents...From there the next nurse had me pull down my mask so my nose was exposed but not my mouth and she stuck a long Q-tip type swab up both nostrils...It wasn't uncomfortable at all, she said some people cough or gag when that swabbing is being performed but I didn't react that way at all...From there she said I would get a text message on my phone in 48 to 72 hours when my test was completed and I am to call the number on the paper she gave me and follow the instructions to listen to my test result...I expect likely Monday afternoon or Tuesday I will get that text message...
Like I said, I feel fine, I just did it as a precautionary thing since I stopped at places out of town...
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nivek
As Above So Below
I got the text message this morning indicating my test result was ready, I called the number and the result is 'negative'...Yay!...lol
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nivek
As Above So Below
I've heard there's a rapid result covid test but it's also said to be highly unreliable, if that's that case I do not see the reason to release the rapid test to begin with unless it's all about the money to be made in doing so...
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nivek
As Above So Below
I think it should be asked whether or not he would still be alive if covid was not around?...If this pandemic wasn't here and he would still be alive otherwise then I think it's covid related if he had covid and should be counted as a covid death...
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