Interrupted Journey

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by pigfarmer, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. pigfarmer

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    I know that @Dejan Corovic has studied this but there is something I've been wondering about: UFOs that disable cars - exactly how?

    Not Val Johnson or Roy Neary-like incidents where there is some violence involved. I'd add Cash-Landrum to that list as I think the car was running but a bit melted in spots. I'd also note that Lonnie Zamora's car seemed to work OK at the time. I guess some get the big whammy and others don't. Maybe that's the distinction between Earthly objects and ET: the ones stamped Made in USA underneath might burn the crap out of you and make you real sick.

    I'm talking about turning the car off, leading you away for a probing and then returning you some time later.

    Exactly how?

    I remember an interview with JB Alexander talking about nonlethal weapons and he was describing the invasion of Iraq. Easy to turn off power plants, a whoooooole lot harder to fix them. An instant-OFF device would be awfully handy.

    I know the phenomenon still happens as there was a local report within the past year or two. I've been blabbing about my hobby - old cars. I thought about it and if I were left with a 'classic' vehicle and I had three seconds to disable it how would I do it?

    Pull the wire marked #1 (negative lead of ignition coil) and the fun machine stops. upload_2020-9-16_7-46-24.png

    Pull one of the two marked #2 and the fun machine stops. 50/50 shot, pick the right one.

    Much easier to understand ignition and fuel delivery on one of these old cars. If you grok that you will grok fuel injection, coil packs and all that used today. Keeping this very simple with old hardware.

    So here we have Betty & Barney tooling along on their way home - probably have to feed their flying cat. And then beep beep beep, the car went beepbeepbeep. Were they hypnotized and just stopped themselves? Did it kill the ignition and if so, exactly how?

    I believe the time honored method of stopping a vehicle is a bit less elegant, and it restarting it isn't an option


    This is what I've been wondering about. All you have to do is suppress current flow on one stinkin' wire and the car stops. Stop suppressing it and it will restart - after you turn the key, it shouldn't just 'come back on'. So I'm asking if anyone knows how to do that from a distance? We've got some engineers here, I'm just a putz with a wrench. A curious one.
     
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  2. Rick Hunter

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    In one account I read, a car and truck had to stop in front of a UFO hovering over the road. The car's electrical failed and it stopped, however the truck's diesel engine kept running. This account was old enough to where the diesel almost certainly used mechanical injection and was capable of functioning without electrical power. So, this was probably a simple case of RFI, which may have been a byproduct of the UFO operation and not necessarily intended to stop the vehicles.

    In the Paintsville, KY UFO-train collision (2000-2001), the witness stated that the locomotive's electrical system and diesel engine suddenly shut off as the UFO drew nearer, causing the automatic braking system to engage. I presume this means the locomotive had EFI rather than mechanical injection.

    In neither of these cases were the vehicles affected otherwise. Weirder are the cases where the UFO has the ability to make the vehicle drive on it's own. In a few abduction cases, the witness comes to while driving their car down the road at speed. Does this mean that the UFO can operate the car independently of the driver? Or perhaps the driver was "programmed" to drive for awhile before regaining awareness?
     
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  3. Double Nought Spy

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    Interesting topic! I don't have the time or energy at the moment to get into the nuts and bolts, let alone spark plugs, but I did find a useful page from Michael Swords' most excellent blog. Check out the comments; there are some interesting leads in there too.

    The Big Study: Searching For A Trace Of The UFOs

    I'll try to get back to this soon. Here are a couple more pages from the same source, which turned up in my search just now and look promising. I always think I've read everything The Professor has posted there, but either I've forgotten a lot of it or missed some really good stuff.

    The Big Study: 1959 UFO News from the 1947 Mountain

    The Big Study: UFOs and Force: Plowing Ahead?
     
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  4. pigfarmer

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    Very interesting about the mechanical diesel injection. I was thinking about Betty and Barney and that had to have been a mechanical fuel pump. But zap the coil or its leads and that doesn't matter.

    RFI - but exactly how? When Spock talks about a 'general energy dampening field' around the Doomsday Machine we know what it is, a plot device. I've seen electronics affected by EMI but that is usually an annoyance. It would have to be quite powerful and focused to actually suppress a car, locomotive, etc. The ability to do this is something we take for granted. Seems to me its almost a common ground, a place where two very different technologies interact.

    I'm guessing it might not be all that simple to replicate or it would be standard issue for police departments. Who knows about military capabilities - maybe they just like shooting out engine blocks from helicopters. It is pretty cool and comparatively cheap.
     
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    I was really surprised to learn of the Japanese research in "vehicle stopping" in the 1940s. Not surprisingly, it was effective at very close range using huge amounts of power.

    I've read about On Star being able to stop cars, or limit their speed in the event of a police chase. Choice of getaway vehicle is more important than a lot of people might assume.

    The engine in the nine thousand pound Presidential Limo built ten years ago or whatever, uses a fully mechanical diesel engine, unaffected by any EMP attack or such. Probably a tank engine.
     
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  6. Rick Hunter

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    I would imagine that a UFO generates a massive amount of power whose byproducts could easily disable anything electrical within a certain area. There are also accounts of nearby UFOs causing radios and televisions to go on the fritz. MIBs also seem to have electrical issues. There are many accounts where they refuse to go near microwave ovens, also clocks stop running and refuse to start again after MIB exposure.
     
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  7. pigfarmer

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    There are some whopping big electrical substations, nuclear power plants, naval vessels, trains that produce gobs of electrical power that I can drive right near and not have my vehicle konk out. Lightning storms short of a direct strike don't bother cars much.

    If I made some profound discovery after shouting "Eureka !" I'd turn to my faithful assistant and say "Alert the Media !!" Well .... yes I am being facetious... but what does that mean exactly? You pick the phone up and call who first? Send what email? Well, these days I guess it would just be a tweet, but my point is that some very specific things have to happen that are boring minor details that get overlooked after a blanket statement of ' UFOs make lots of power that disables cars'.

    If the accounts about the mechanically injected diesels continuing to run are accurate then the phenomenon is electrical in nature. When it comes to disabling those very simple old cars with an electrical problem it's a pretty short list - keeping them running is the challenge. Fuel or spark, right? Suppose ET has his Spock hooded viewer dialed into Barney and Betty's car. First he has to understand how it works and then have a space gadget reach out and interrupt something very specific to get the car to stop. After some sampling, haggling over an intergalactic library book, etc, it's back in the car. Did ET slip in with a tentacle and restart it for them? Because making it stop and making it start are two very different things, the latter requiring mechanically operating an ignition switch and holding it there a second.

    The Devil's in the small details. Dunno why I'm not willing to let it go as 'because ET, that's why' Couldn't Steve Dulcich from Roadkill Garage please get abducted so we can have some clarity on this? To anyone who has seen the show I vote him as the best human on the planet to make First Contact (if he hasn't already).
     
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  9. pigfarmer

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    Started to look through it and after just a few cases saw what I was looking for. I wanted to know what condition was the vehicle in when it stalled. If you were troubleshooting a mundane problem that would be important. Those French mechanics sounded a bit pretentious to me but I see their point, even if I not all of it. I'm going to keep plugging through it. That sort if thing doesn't seem to be happening with the frequency it once did despite there being more people and vehicles on the road.

    Found some cool things studied for law enforcement and military use online. Gently disabling a car sounds more like expensive and inconvenient than impossible.
     
  10. pigfarmer

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    Radio-beam device can disable car and boat engines from 50m | The Engineer

    Stopping Cars with Radiation
    The radiated microwave energy will upset or damage the vehicle’s electronic systems, particularly the microprocessors that control important engine functions, such as the ignition control, the fuel injector, and the fuel-pump control. However, electronic control modules were not built into most cars until 1972, hence the system will not work on automobiles made before that year.

    **** this is the part I wonder about. Of these links the car-stoppers seem to work by noodling the car's ECU. What if it never had one?

    The Pentagon Wants To Stop Marauding Vehicles With High-Powered Microwave Beams
     
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