Is God Scientifically Possible?

[Shadowprophet]

When I awoke From Sleep tonight, I had a question on my mind. When People Think of God Or A God Like Being. they tend to think of Magic or Supernatural abilities. So, I've wondered, Could a being exist who on a whim could alter time and space, Life and death without limits? Could a being Scientifically exist somewhere in the cosmos, Via Technology or knowledge, Exist which could manipulate reality on such a level?

This isn't a Does God exist thread, I'm sure most of us have already made our choices on such matters, Rather, Is such a being Possible or impossible? Not, Is it likely, Not, Have you experienced it, Simply, Could such a being Scientifically exist in an infinite time and space?


Before you answer, Know that This question doesn't pertain to the Judeo Christian God, Or any set spirituality. Simply. By the Khardashiv Scale, and what we know of science, could such a being be technically possible in this universe?

Just curious, Sp,

 

[Shadowprophet]

*Side note, I've been thinking a lot lately, Every path of study, Is really a preset destination, Studying in that field doesn't lead you to new possibilities, It will lead you to the conclusions already established when the field of study was founded.

There is an old saying, Have an open mind, But not so open that your brains fall out. urging one to apply themselves within specific parameters. How Much of what we think do you figure, is really What someone else thinks? unoriginal pre-established conclusions, Discovered by someone else?

You have to be open at least creatively, To those ideas that other people throw Shade at, I believe that's where most of the New and Original thought is hidden, There in those Dark places that most others overlook.....

 

[Dejan Corovic]

What average intelligence means is that 50% of people have IQ bellow average and 50% have above average IQ. There is always some average so that is immutable rock solid fact and applies to all the nations on the planet Earth equally.

That means that in UK that has 60 million people 30 million people have IQ bellow average. US has 350 million, so 175 million of Americans have IQ lower than average. But that all pales in a comparison with China, with its 1.5 Billion people, China has 750 million people with IQ bellow average. I'm just putting some numbers on it to create a picture in your mind that human stupidity is an enormous social force to recon with.

To put things into a perspective US army doesn't accept recruits whose IQ is only 80% of the average. That's sad, because it would be better if army accepted more stupid people, particularly during time of war, but that's a subject for another time.

Now back to a science of God.

Question is how are you going to explain scientific method, all the maths, quantum mechanics, general relativity and artificial intelligence to somebody with IQ bellow average. YOU CAN'T! So, the only thing you can do is to tell them "what they want to hear". And "what they want to hear"? They want to hear a fairy tales. We are into fairy tales since we got out of Africa. So you go out and find few SMART guys who are good with fairy tales ( Buddha, Mohammad, Jesus, Charles Manson, Jordan Peterson etc. ). Obviously there are hundreds of thousands of SMART guys who can tell great fairy tales so that's easy part, but it makes for overcrowded marketplace and cut-throat business model with lots of backstabbing.

Frightening point I am trying to make here is that it is easier to unite stupid people into a social force than smart people. So, now you have 30 million bellow average IQ people in UK, 175 million in US and 750 million in China and if they say that God exist you better step out of their way. They won't be asking for any reasons or they won't be following any logic because there is 30 + 175 + 750 M = 955 M of them.

But is there a God? Of course there is God. But its not coming in a form of fairy tale for bellow average IQ guys, its coming in a form of a special language, the mathematics. You want to laugh at me? Check this chart bellow:



That chart shows growth of income per head ( or simply a salary ) through human history. You see that yellow part? Yellow part is ( approximately ) when calculus was discovered in a second half of 17th century. Difference between the highest point of average salary in modern times and the average salary back in 17th century is 40 times, or 4,000%. Yes, human income was growing before the discovery of calculus, but at a ridiculously irrelevant rate. Yellow time was the time when fairy tale tellers were dominating society but fairy tales can't increase your salary and your living standards. Language of mathematics can.

90% of all scientific discoveries can not be done without calculus, which means that 90% of modern industries that depend on these scientific discoveries would never be born.

Here is a small subset of discoveries that can't be made or perfected without calculus: all of nuclear science, aircraft wing, propeller, electromagnetism, nature of light and radio-waves, transistors, DNA, computers, Internet, distribution of electricity, nuclear magnetic resonance. Each of these, and many other scientific discoveries, created a huge industries that today FEED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE and increase their living standards. Yes, its Newton's and Leibnitz's calculus that's putting food into your spoon and feeding you, its not your hard work. With all of your hard work you'll be still living in a stone age and most likely die few days after being born, like majority of these folks before 17th century in yellow part of the graph. Or at least, that one who feeds you, the language of mathematics, should be your God, not the "ferry tale God" that just tells you want you want to hear.

So there is your "God".

Teach yourself language of mathematics ( if your IQ is not bellow average ).

 

[Shadowprophet]

What average intelligence means is that 50% of people have IQ bellow average and 50% have above average IQ. There is always some average so that is immutable rock solid fact and applies to all the nations on the planet Earth equally.

That means that in UK that has 60 million people 30 million people have IQ bellow average. US has 350 million, so 175 million of Americans have IQ lower than average. But that all pales in a comparison with China, with its 1.5 Billion people, China has 750 million people with IQ bellow average. I'm just putting some numbers on it to create a picture in your mind that human stupidity is an enormous social force to recon with.

To put things into a perspective US army doesn't accept recruits whose IQ is only 80% of the average. That's sad, because it would be better if army accepted more stupid people, particularly during time of war, but that's a subject for another time.

Now back to a science of God.

Question is how are you going to explain scientific method, all the maths, quantum mechanics, general relativity and artificial intelligence to somebody with IQ bellow average. YOU CAN'T! So, the only thing you can do is to tell them "what they want to hear". And "what they want to hear"? They want to hear a fairy tales. We are into fairy tales since we got out of Africa. So you go out and find few SMART guys who are good with fairy tales ( Buddha, Mohammad, Jesus, Charles Manson, Jordan Peterson etc. ). Obviously there are hundreds of thousands of SMART guys who can tell great fairy tales so that's easy part, but it makes for overcrowded marketplace and cut-throat business model with lots of backstabbing.

Frightening point I am trying to make here is that it is easier to unite stupid people into a social force than smart people. So, now you have 30 million bellow average IQ people in UK, 175 million in US and 750 million in China and if they say that God exist you better step out of their way. They won't be asking for any reasons or they won't be following any logic because there is 30 + 175 + 750 M = 955 M of them.

But is there a God? Of course there is God. But its not coming in a form of fairy tale for bellow average IQ guys, its coming in a form of a special language, the mathematics. You want to laugh at me? Check this chart bellow:

View attachment 16047

That chart shows growth of income per head ( or simply a salary ) through human history. You see that yellow part? Yellow part is ( approximately ) when calculus was discovered in a second half of 17th century. Difference between the highest point of average salary in modern times and the average salary back in 17th century is 40 times, or 4,000%. Yes, human income was growing before the discovery of calculus, but at a ridiculously irrelevant rate. Yellow time was the time when fairy tale tellers were dominating society but fairy tales can't increase your salary and your living standards. Language of mathematics can.

90% of all scientific discoveries can not be done without calculus, which means that 90% of modern industries that depend on these scientific discoveries would never be born.

Here is a small subset of discoveries that can't be made or perfected without calculus: all of nuclear science, aircraft wing, propeller, electromagnetism, nature of light and radio-waves, transistors, DNA, computers, Internet, distribution of electricity, nuclear magnetic resonance. Each of these, and many other scientific discoveries, created a huge industries that today FEED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE and increase their living standards.

So there is your God.

Teach yourself mathematics ( if your IQ is not bellow average ).

I do tend to click awesome a lot on posts, But this one was truly inspired. I have to say, I appreciate the thought you've given this, Most people by far would glaze an opinion onto this topic.

This leaves us with some philosophical moments, "The Calculus of God" Could the achievement of intellectual pursuit, Be the concept of God itself?. "To perfect the mind" To assume we humans to be the dominant intelligence in the universe, Could be folly though we have no data to suggest otherwise.

Of course, I've dabbled with Calculus, Even Quantum Calculus to some extent, To Explain God, Mathematically, one would have to understand What a God actually is. Its functions. an attempt to explain those functions and how they are carried out.

The problem arises, in the Concept of a God In itself. God to man, would be a panacea with infinite function and infinite force. How could one explain the function of everything in an equation? I would assume the Equation would have to remain open with a live plugin of some sort, Ever changing and evolving, Because as our understanding increases, So would our Concepts of what is possible. Irony...

 

[Shadowprophet]

just one thing, half the population believes in the possibility of God because they may be incapable of understanding how the universe properly functions. that was based entirely upon intellectually sourced algorithms Via population.

Let's use a few different charts here.
List of religious populations - Wikipedia

Adherents in 2020

Prevailing religious population by country
Religion Adherents Percentage
Christianity 2.382 billion 31.11%[1]
Islam 1.907 billion 24.9%[1]
Secular[a]/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.193 billion 15.58%
Hinduism 1.161 billion 15.16%
Buddhism 506 million 5.06%
Chinese traditional religion[c] 394 million 5%
Ethnic religions excluding some in separate categories 300 million 3%
African traditional religions 100 million[4] 1.2%
Sikhism 26 million 0.30%
Spiritism 15 million 0.19%
Judaism 14.7 million[5] 0.18%
Baháʼí 5.0 million[6] 0.07%
Jainism 4.2 million 0.05%
Shinto 4.0 million 0.05%
Cao Dai 4.0 million 0.05%
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million 0.03%
Tenrikyo 2.0 million 0.02%
Animism 1.9 million 0.02%
Neo-Paganism 1.0 million 0.01%
Unitarian Universalism 0.8 million 0.01%
Rastafari 0.6 million 0.007%
Ahmadiyya 10 million 0.14%

If you consider the world population. at 7.9 billion people, it would seem universal, Almost everyone believes in one God or another, So then, Wouldn't everyone be below average intelligence? The Idea that it's unintelligent or even uneducated to believe in a higher power than man becomes almost irrelevant when one realizes most of the human population has dabbled in it from time to time.

Religion is a cultural aspect that predates a lot of modern conventional thinking. It's gonna be hard to counter thousands of years of culture with a few modern ideas. IT begs the philosophical aspect If everyone is doing it, Where is the "Average intellectual cut-off line" located exactly?

 

[Dejan Corovic]

just one thing, half the population believes in the possibility of God because they may be incapable of understanding how the universe properly functions. that was based entirely upon intellectually sourced algorithms Via population.

Let's use a few different charts here.
List of religious populations - Wikipedia

Adherents in 2020

Prevailing religious population by country
Religion Adherents Percentage
Christianity 2.382 billion 31.11%[1]
Islam 1.907 billion 24.9%[1]
Secular[a]/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist 1.193 billion 15.58%
Hinduism 1.161 billion 15.16%
Buddhism 506 million 5.06%
Chinese traditional religion[c] 394 million 5%
Ethnic religions excluding some in separate categories 300 million 3%
African traditional religions 100 million[4] 1.2%
Sikhism 26 million 0.30%
Spiritism 15 million 0.19%
Judaism 14.7 million[5] 0.18%
Baháʼí 5.0 million[6] 0.07%
Jainism 4.2 million 0.05%
Shinto 4.0 million 0.05%
Cao Dai 4.0 million 0.05%
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million 0.03%
Tenrikyo 2.0 million 0.02%
Animism 1.9 million 0.02%
Neo-Paganism 1.0 million 0.01%
Unitarian Universalism 0.8 million 0.01%
Rastafari 0.6 million 0.007%
Ahmadiyya 10 million 0.14%

If you consider the world population. at 7.9 billion people, it would seem universal, Almost everyone believes in one God or another, So then, Wouldn't everyone be below average intelligence? The Idea that it's unintelligent or even uneducated to believe in a higher power than man becomes almost irrelevant when one realizes most of the human population has dabbled in it from time to time.

Religion is a cultural aspect that predates a lot of modern conventional thinking. It's gonna be hard to counter thousands of years of culture with a few modern ideas. IT begs the philosophical aspect If everyone is doing it, Where is the "Average intellectual cut-off line" located exactly?

Intelligence amounts to almost nothing because of the "rubbish in, rubbish out" problem. I once watched one documentary about intelligence and one of the most intelligent people in US, with IQ in 200 range, was disco club bouncer in his 40s. Poor guy didn't even know what his abilities were till it was too late in his life.

Because "rubbish in, rubbish out" problem and that disco club bouncer problem education plays a huge role in this question. There is evidence based education ( natural sciences ) and non-evidence based "fairy tale" / "narrative control" ( rubbish ) education. If you are not tied by reality check than unlimited human imagination is free to wander. Obviously, punishment for such unlimited freedom of "narrative control" is high child mortality.

It takes lots and lots of evidence based education to even start understanding the grammar of the universe. Problem is that people who don't have time and resources to the job properly, regardless of their IQ, take a shortcut and want to impose their "fairy tale" that's riddled with hidden agendas. Science has zero hidden agendas, because its built on reality check. Essentially "fairy tale" view of world ( with its hidden agendas ) is a dishonest view of world in which one side is always taken for a ride. That's why there was so many wars about religious questions and not one single war about scientific question.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

I do tend to click awesome a lot on posts, But this one was truly inspired. I have to say, I appreciate the thought you've given this, Most people by far would glaze an opinion onto this topic.

You see its problem of education, or "rubbish in, rubbish out". Both you and that disco club bouncer have above average IQ, but you have a degree in physics, so your education enables to you to see where maths and calculus fit into the history of human civilisation. But that 40 year old disco bouncer, despite his super high IQ, hasn't gone through the long and arduous path of education based on a string of reality-checks and he hasn't fulfilled even one tenth of his human potential. And there are hundreds of thousands guys like him. Super-gifted but not even aware of their talents. I guess that's what they call human condition, permanent state of delusion.

So what is he going to do with his super-high IQ and total luck of reality verified education ... he's going to create conspiracy theories. In that documentary they asked him what's he doing with his free time and he said he's creating a new physics theory ( but without reading any books of already known and tested stuff ).

And there we go, back to the stone age.

We are watching this process happening all over the world right now in front of our eyes, 5,000 years after first mega cities of Babylon in which they discovered Pythagoras's theorem with which antic Greeks measured circumference of Earth. That 7/8 of mankind ( according to the data you provided ) insists that stone age is good enough.

Its one step forward, three steps back. No wander space aliens don't want to talk with us.

 

[Shadowprophet]

You see its problem of education, or "rubbish in, rubbish out". Both you and that disco club bouncer have above average IQ, but you have a degree in physics, so your education enables to you to see where maths and calculus fit into the history of human civilisation. But that 40 year old disco bouncer, despite his super high IQ, hasn't gone through the long and arduous path of education based on a string of reality-checks and he hasn't fulfilled even one tenth of his human potential. And there are hundreds of thousands guys like him. Super-gifted but not even aware of their talents. I guess that's what they call human condition, permanent state of delusion.

So what is he going to do with his super-high IQ and total luck of reality verified education ... he's going to create conspiracy theories. In that documentary they asked him what's he doing with his free time and he said he's creating a new physics theory ( but without reading any books of already known and tested stuff ).

And there we go, back to the stone age.

We are watching this process happening all over the world right now in front of our eyes, 5,000 years after first mega cities of Babylon in which they discovered Pythagoras's theorem with which antic Greeks measured circumference of Earth. That 7/8 of mankind ( according to the data you provided ) insists that stone age is good enough.

Its one step forward, three steps back. No wander space aliens don't want to talk with us.

It's true, There is only so much opportunity out there, there can be only a finite number of top dogs. So while there is infinite potential, Infinite potential is often wasted in avenues unbefitting because there are only so many open doors to be walked through.

A lot of people don't realize this, But Einstein was only ever so slightly above the genius line, A few points shy and he would only been above average. There is no true way of knowing what minds more brilliant than he slipped through the cracks unnoticed... It's a shame that only those people who have the right doors open for them get the opportunity to shine. who knows what brilliance the world has lost to its vanity..

 

[Dejan Corovic]

It is well known that Michael Faraday barely had no more then few months of primary education, before he was kicked out of the school because he threatened to attack his teacher, because his teacher did some wrong to his brother. So they were both kicked out. Yet, he's actually the first one to propose that electric and magnetic field unite to create light. He wasn't able to do maths, but then a young mathematician Maxwell came and worked with Faraday to eventually mathematically prove that light is EM wave. Its only a case of more or less miss-attribution that we attribute that discovery to better educated Maxwell, instead to the less educated Faraday.

But there were other cases like Faraday's. I forgot his name, but here was this janitor at university of Glasgow, back in 19th century. He was cleaning university halls, but after he was done, he would go to library and read the books. Eventually he learned enough about astronomy that he proposed well thought out theory about comings and going of ice ages based of intricacies of Earth's orbit around the Sun. His theory impressed university members so much that he was given a position of professor. Just like that, from a janitor to professor of astronomy. But, eventually he died early because of some disease.

Or even more, Issac Newton was a sickly child of illiterate farmer. Newton barely survived his own birth and only got a degree in law because his mother married a rich pastor after his father died. And then came a bout of cholera in a middle of British civil war, that gave Newton enough spare time to do science experiments and think about mathematics. Just imagine that none of that exponential growth of economy, in graph above, would happen if Newton died at birth, or if his mother married another poor guy or if there was no epidemic of cholera.

It just makes one wander where the ultimate human potential would take us if we were not self-perpetuating chaos all the time. And how much of that human potential goes down the drain.

 

[AlienView]

Is God Scientifically Possible?

First problem:
"Exactly" what are you talking about or trying to postulate?

Unless you can give an exact definition of God, or what do you mean by god,
there is no scientific way of even attempting to answer your question scientifically.

If you are talking about an all powerful, all knowing, omniscient being that creates and controls everything that exists,
than the first question would be why? He {she or it} knows all to begin with so why create an existent state?

In a living universe variables and random chance must exist
- So I would suppose that a god could could be inferred as the primal source of the Universe as an experiment
but I do not believe we currently have a scientific way to prove or disprove this.
Will advanced computers, like quantum computers of the future allow for the calculations to prove a universal primal
source, and further prove the source possesses intelligent design {scientific rather than religious ID}, I do not know
- It is possible ?

 

[Standingstones]

I would rather follow the Taoist principles of living in simplicity and harmony with nature. I doubt many humans do this or could do this.

 

[pigfarmer]

What average intelligence means is that 50% of people have IQ bellow average and 50% have above average IQ. There is always some average so that is immutable rock solid fact and applies to all the nations on the planet Earth equally.

That means that in UK that has 60 million people 30 million people have IQ bellow average. US has 350 million, so 175 million of Americans have IQ lower than average. But that all pales in a comparison with China, with its 1.5 Billion people, China has 750 million people with IQ bellow average. I'm just putting some numbers on it to create a picture in your mind that human stupidity is an enormous social force to recon with.

To put things into a perspective US army doesn't accept recruits whose IQ is only 80% of the average. That's sad, because it would be better if army accepted more stupid people, particularly during time of war, but that's a subject for another time.

Now back to a science of God.

Question is how are you going to explain scientific method, all the maths, quantum mechanics, general relativity and artificial intelligence to somebody with IQ bellow average. YOU CAN'T! So, the only thing you can do is to tell them "what they want to hear". And "what they want to hear"? They want to hear a fairy tales. We are into fairy tales since we got out of Africa. So you go out and find few SMART guys who are good with fairy tales ( Buddha, Mohammad, Jesus, Charles Manson, Jordan Peterson etc. ). Obviously there are hundreds of thousands of SMART guys who can tell great fairy tales so that's easy part, but it makes for overcrowded marketplace and cut-throat business model with lots of backstabbing.

Frightening point I am trying to make here is that it is easier to unite stupid people into a social force than smart people. So, now you have 30 million bellow average IQ people in UK, 175 million in US and 750 million in China and if they say that God exist you better step out of their way. They won't be asking for any reasons or they won't be following any logic because there is 30 + 175 + 750 M = 955 M of them.

But is there a God? Of course there is God. But its not coming in a form of fairy tale for bellow average IQ guys, its coming in a form of a special language, the mathematics. You want to laugh at me? Check this chart bellow:

View attachment 16047

That chart shows growth of income per head ( or simply a salary ) through human history. You see that yellow part? Yellow part is ( approximately ) when calculus was discovered in a second half of 17th century. Difference between the highest point of average salary in modern times and the average salary back in 17th century is 40 times, or 4,000%. Yes, human income was growing before the discovery of calculus, but at a ridiculously irrelevant rate. Yellow time was the time when fairy tale tellers were dominating society but fairy tales can't increase your salary and your living standards. Language of mathematics can.

90% of all scientific discoveries can not be done without calculus, which means that 90% of modern industries that depend on these scientific discoveries would never be born.

Here is a small subset of discoveries that can't be made or perfected without calculus: all of nuclear science, aircraft wing, propeller, electromagnetism, nature of light and radio-waves, transistors, DNA, computers, Internet, distribution of electricity, nuclear magnetic resonance. Each of these, and many other scientific discoveries, created a huge industries that today FEED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE and increase their living standards. Yes, its Newton's and Leibnitz's calculus that's putting food into your spoon and feeding you, its not your hard work. With all of your hard work you'll be still living in a stone age and most likely die few days after being born, like majority of these folks before 17th century in yellow part of the graph. Or at least, that one who feeds you, the language of mathematics, should be your God, not the "ferry tale God" that just tells you want you want to hear.

So there is your "God".

Teach yourself language of mathematics ( if your IQ is not bellow average ).

What average intelligence means is that 50% of people have IQ bellow average and 50% have above average IQ.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

US army doesn't accept recruits whose IQ is only 80% of the average

Don't know what it is now buy everyone used to take an Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Test and were put in one of four categories. Cat 1 and you have a technical specialty after boot camp. Cat 4 and they find something else for you to do. Not like they're measuring skull with calipers to determine relative worth.

 

[pigfarmer]

If you haven't you two should read Contact. No spoilers and it's been a while but I think this is exactly what the last few pages talk about.

If you could 'prove' some God like being I don't know how you could be satisfied with the answer. If advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic how would you know if you found the real one or some other highly advanced entity? Q would appear godlike to the uninitiated - or more accurately less geeky.

Rather than arbitrarily judge other's relative intelligence I concern myself with my own behavior. Sure, I work in retail now and encounter dumbasses all day but deciding that I am smarter than they are is - in my opinion - venturing out on to the thin ice of Ego.

I have always believed there is more to our existence than what we sense now. Am always skeptical about any detailed descriptions of what comes next and if there is some Entity I will encounter. I think the best approach is to keep my own house in order and when I catch myself being critical of others - and I do, I'm human - at a minimum I call myself out on my own horseshit. A dose of humility goes a long way. In another thread I wrote about Belief and that covers a lot of things, not just UFOs. Narrow minded viewpoints often fail to see the bigger picture.

 

[Shadowprophet]

I feel like Maybe the concept of IQ is flawed, Hear me out, We have all seen cases of incredibly intelligent people, Who for whatever reason became pariahs.



Then there are stories of handicapped people who have done incredible things that ordinary people can not do despite their disability. There is a man who was born with no separation between his brain hemispheres, he cannot forget any information he has ever acquired, He has finished medical school and graduated because you can't stump him with a wrong answer or a trick question..

I feel like An Iq Score is more or less a grooming technique that businesses and workforces and educational systems use to label people as desirable or non-desirable based on ultimately whatever qualities those institutions find desirable at the time....

You can even distillate the formula down to an easier-to-digest formula. Find two people, One An eager to please Go-getter willing to work his ass off for a job. The other, A lazy Do nothing ass who just complains..

Which one of these people has the higher IQ? Usually, the Lazy complaining Asshat would have the higher Iq. But. Is that what The company hiring is looking for? ...

 

[pigfarmer]

Context is everything.
I feel the way I do from experience. My best friend died last year at age 59. He very likely had an extremely high IQ. Was a field engineer that became a remote work from home type. Two things about that.

One is that he always said ‘he sees the whole country’ and I always told him if I came over and turned off his cable modem all he would see is four walls. Despite his field experience he couldn’t accept that things had changed and wouldn’t listen to those of us who experienced it directly. His p.o.v became increasingly detached from reality and hubris blinded him to it.

Second thing was his unswerving belief that he was smarter than everyone else. Literally told me that umpteen times. Without going on a discourse this man was like a brother to me and we shared a hell of a lot of our lives. I saw it all. Everything. Was far more personally involved in his affairs than I wanted - of necessity created by him. This superiority complex cost him big. Marriage. Both his children. Damned near our friendship. It was driven by a basic insecurity and he massively overcompensated.

An IQ test. Take the top scorer and then change the test. Make it an unexpected survival situation. I’m at work right now watching a man grind his way through the Daily News which is written at a 5th grade level. His lips are moving. Really. But in an unexpected survival situation this man would be the one to prove himself and our IQ test winner might or might not.

Moral lesson is don’t believe your own bullshit. Unhealthy. Fine line between confidence and arrogance. IQ tests are two dimensional and are only relative to certain facets of a person’s whole

 

[Dejan Corovic]

An IQ test. Take the top scorer and then change the test. Make it an unexpected survival situation. I’m at work right now watching a man grind his way through the Daily News which is written at a 5th grade level. His lips are moving. Really. But in an unexpected survival situation this man would be the one to prove himself and our IQ test winner might or might not.

Quoting survival skills as a factor is childish, because survival skills are relevant only in Hollywood movies.

There are almost 8 billion people on the planet. Survival obviously hasn't been an issue for centuries otherwise population wouldn't grow so much. Except for few isolated tribes most people live in some form of integrated economies. Many of these economies have welfare and healthcare systems that provide support to people who fall on hard times.

Whole point is that nourishing super talented people ( with high IQ ) is essential for survival of advanced economies that depend on scientific discoveries to create jobs and generally create competitive edge. I've been a programmer most of my life, but my profession didn't exist when I was born. Lets say a profession of a car mechanic didn't exist 130 years ago, pilots didn't exist 100 years ago etc.

Survival is such a bad example, because chicken can survive with extremely tiny brains and even without them for a short time.

One doesn't need brains to survive, but one needs brains to prosper.

 

[pigfarmer]

Quoting survival skills as a factor is childish, because survival skills are relevant only in Hollywood movies.

There are almost 8 billion people on the planet. Survival obviously hasn't been an issue for centuries otherwise population wouldn't grow so much. Except for few isolated tribes most people live in some form of integrated economies. Many of these economies have welfare and healthcare systems that provide support to people who fall on hard times.

Whole point is that nourishing super talented people ( with high IQ ) is essential for survival of advanced economies that depend on scientific discoveries to create jobs and generally create competitive edge. I've been a programmer most of my life, but my profession didn't exist when I was born. Lets say a profession of a car mechanic didn't exist 130 years ago, pilots didn't exist 100 years ago etc.

Survival is such a bad example, because chicken can survive with extremely tiny brains and even without them for a short time.

One doesn't need brains to survive, but one needs brains to prosper.

The first question in an IQ test should be ‘do you think you’re smarter than everyone else?’ and if the answer is yes you instantly fail

I have no problem with merit based reward but I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing.

 

[Shadowprophet]

We have to look through the trees to see the rest of the forest, Intelligence Is the merit of a great prize. But for its desirability, it's got its pros and cons.

I feel like, If someone were to prize intelligence above all else, They could literally miss out on the genuine reality going on around us. High intelligence is isolating it's alienating of others and leaves little room for unity, I mean, look at the situation at hand., people can't even unify on the merits of the idea of the importance of intelligence itself.

Something I've learned from studying smart people over the decades, And this isn't something I picked from my own mind, It's something I've noticed in other peoples minds, The most intelligent people of all almost never Judge others in the ways people believe them too, The smartest people of all walk into a room full of others sugar coat nothing and speak high intellectualism, Not to spite others, But because they spend so much time thinking about those kinds of things, They just assume everyone else has come to the same conclusions as they have... There is a surprising lack of Ego, In the Smartest of the smarties. Thats just something I've noticed.

Not something I've practiced :/ So, Thats somewhat telling.. :/

 

[Shadowprophet]

So much so, I would surmise, If a person could defeat his own ego, completely, There is no way he wouldn't be wiser for the experience.

Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos? Zose? That guy.. Some of the smartest people out there have these almost robotic insincere personalities, Why?
Because they realize, There is no proper way to act socially that will affirm to everyone. So they really don't know how to act, as a result, it comes off awkward and insincere.

I have more Examples, Carol Segan,, Stephen Hawking. Issac Newton. All of these people had social issues interacting with ordinary people publicly. all were true geniuses. All were alienated and isolated from the true normal Genuine human experience. They could not grasp normality. In a way. If you look at statistics, Truly High Mental acuity, Could be the result of Mental trauma, or some sort of Mental illness. I bring this up because, Well to be honest severe mental illness is more common in highly intelligent people, That's something a lot of people don't commonly realize.

 

[pigfarmer]

Relative intelligence based on a test a narrow way to evaluate a person’s ‘worth’. Agreed there are many brilliant people who make significant contributions but everyone is human first and everything else second. Astronauts are highly trained and intelligent people. Some of them wind up driving around in diapers.

It’s all the rage now to evaluate, judge, demean, cancel individuals and whole groups based on some artificial measuring stick. Neither helpful or productive.