Is God Scientifically Possible?

Scientifically, Could A God Like Being Exist?

  • it's Possible.

    Votes: 2 50.0%
  • It's Not Possible.

    Votes: 2 50.0%

  • Total voters
    4

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Relative intelligence based on a test a narrow way to evaluate a person’s ‘worth’. Agreed there are many brilliant people who make significant contributions but everyone is human first and everything else second. Astronauts are highly trained and intelligent people. Some of them wind up driving around in diapers.

It’s all the rage now to evaluate, judge, demean, cancel individuals and whole groups based on some artificial measuring stick. Neither helpful or productive.

Stuck between awesome and agree. I wrote this just to let you know that I also agree :Thumbsup:
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
The first question in an IQ test should be ‘do you think you’re smarter than everyone else?’ and if the answer is yes you instantly fail

I have no problem with merit based reward but I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing.

That's not true at all. Merit is proportional to the difficulty of the problem. It is easy to solve easy problems.

Lets go back to Newton. He solved the most difficult problem of his time, one on which everybody else failed. So indeed, Newton was smarter then everybody else on the whole planet. If popular vote counts, lots of people still consider him as one of the smartest guys.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
That's not true at all. Merit is proportional to the difficulty of the problem. It is easy to solve easy problems.

Lets go back to Newton. He solved the most difficult problem of his time, one on which everybody else failed. So indeed, Newton was smarter then everybody else on the whole planet. If popular vote counts, lots of people still consider him as one of the smartest guys.
OK. His merit was significant. If you lived in his time and the authority that evaluated his due reward decided you weren’t as smart as he was and chose to give him something that you value or need because he deserved them how would you feel? Would altruism override the predictable reaction? Doubt it.

This started as a discussion of whether some supreme being could be scientifically quantified. I’d say absolutely- if we survive and grow another billion years. In the meantime what we’ve been going on about tells me that right now no, not possible. Too busy preening
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Newton was smarter then everybody else on the whole planet.

There is no way this can be proven, could have been dozens of people smarter than Newton but did not make a name for themselves...

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AlienView

Noble
Intelligence, like everything else in the known universe, is 'relative' {yes, like 'Relativity'}.

Man considers himself to be an intelligent species - It is possible, if not probable, that a truly intelligent alien species would see Man {Humanity} as the dumb ass he really is. Always ready and eager to figure out a new reason and way to destroy his own kind through war, for which this primitive species always finds a reason - The great miracle here is that the species still exists and hasn't yet gone extinct - Or extinction by Global Warming, again at least partially caused by Human stupidity.

So before considering
Scientifically, Could A God Like Being Exist?
It might be better to consider what I call "Scientific Intelligent Design" {as opposed to religious Intelligent Design which states the need for an Intelligent Designer - Which is scientifically not provable}.
But if the universe and all of science is based upon intelligence {Scientific Intelligent Design}, and we must assume it is or we would have no science,
then Man can rise up over his primitive and inherent stupidity and evolve one step further.
For now God must remain a hypothetical - It is not a question for sconce.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
This started as a discussion of whether some supreme being could be scientifically quantified.

Actually, this discussion questions whether God could be scientifically quantified, not just some supreme being...There could be hundreds or thousands of supreme beings in existence but God is commonly referred to religiously as the one and only being above all else, the alpha and the omega, creator of all things which would include being a creator of all supreme beings, from our perspective...So religiously speaking, god isn't just some supreme being, it is the one and only, set apart from all else...

Since I'm not a religious minded individual I do not subscribe to this notion of a God creator of all things, however as @AlienView mentions, the idea of intelligent design is a possibility...I think the universe is far older than presently accepted with periods of collapse and rebirth, an endless cycle which has been built up over the eons by those who preceded this present state of existence...We can call them supreme beings, those who evolved over those countless eons developing themselves to a point of being able to create through intelligent and willful design...We could be one of their designs, created to evolve through their intelligent design within those periods of collapse and rebirth having finite opportunity to grow and evolve consciously...After all, in the book of Genesis, it's mentioned; "Let us create man in our image"...

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AlienView

Noble
Actually, this discussion questions whether God could be scientifically quantified, not just some supreme being...There could be hundreds or thousands of supreme beings in existence but God is commonly referred to religiously as the one and only being above all else, the alpha and the omega, creator of all things which would include being a creator of all supreme beings, from our perspective...So religiously speaking, god isn't just some supreme being, it is the one and only, set apart from all else...

Since I'm not a religious minded individual I do not subscribe to this notion of a God creator of all things, however as @AlienView mentions, the idea of intelligent design is a possibility...I think the universe is far older than presently accepted with periods of collapse and rebirth, an endless cycle which has been built upon over the eons by those who preceded this present state of existence...We can call them supreme beings, those who evolved over those countless eons developing themselves to a point of being able to create through intelligent and willful design...We could be one of their designs, created to evolve through their intelligent design within those periods of collapse and rebirth having finite opportunity to grow and evolve consciously...After all, in the book of Genesis, it's mentioned; "Let us create man in our image"...

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Sure it is possible that we are part of recurring pattern that has been going on since 'god knows when' {pun intended}.

Still no one can prove it - Same with lost civilizations like Atlantis and Mu.

Still and also not provable is Ancient Aliens - Showing a lot of anecdotal evidence as seen in the series "Ancient Aliens".

The thing I like about ancient alien theory is it would explain most unknowns in natural and biological Evolution.
Why did Humanoid type thinking species appear? - We don't see apes and chimpanzees evolving currently.

But if way back when alien scientists began to tamper with the genes of a few apes, or actually created literally the
Humanoid type species with a higher capacity for learning - It would explain much.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Actually, this discussion questions whether God could be scientifically quantified, not just some supreme being...There could be hundreds or thousands of supreme beings in existence but God is commonly referred to religiously as the one and only being above all else, the alpha and the omega, creator of all things which would include being a creator of all supreme beings, from our perspective...So religiously speaking, god isn't just some supreme being, it is the one and only, set apart from all else...

Since I'm not a religious minded individual I do not subscribe to this notion of a God creator of all things, however as @AlienView mentions, the idea of intelligent design is a possibility...I think the universe is far older than presently accepted with periods of collapse and rebirth, an endless cycle which has been built up over the eons by those who preceded this present state of existence...We can call them supreme beings, those who evolved over those countless eons developing themselves to a point of being able to create through intelligent and willful design...We could be one of their designs, created to evolve through their intelligent design within those periods of collapse and rebirth having finite opportunity to grow and evolve consciously...After all, in the book of Genesis, it's mentioned; "Let us create man in our image"...

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Not sure I make the distinction between God and a 'supreme being'. From my nonreligious p.o.v they are the same; only two of the Nine Billion Names of God. They seem to be interchangeable :)
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Should first contact ever occur it would be interesting to ask what their thoughts on all this are. It's possible the concept of God is a uniquely human construct. The belief on supernatural entities served a definite purpose in our existence, maybe the way our appendix once had a function. Part of our evolution and possibly a key component of survival in cooperative groups - the second oldest profession is shamanism.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Not sure I make the distinction between God and a 'supreme being'.

The distinction I was implying is that God is commonly referred to as the top dog, none exists above God, nothing created God, however supreme beings aren't at the top of the food chain or existential chain, there can be others existing above what could be referred to as supreme beings...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
The distinction I was implying is that God is commonly referred to as the top dog, none exists above God, nothing created God, however supreme beings aren't at the top of the food chain or existential chain, there can be others existing above what could be referred to as supreme beings...

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I know it's not your Jam, But The idea of the Origin of God is quite the low-hanging fruit in religious doctrines. I admit, I've read deeply into quite a bit of religious text.

If you are up for something interesting. The Sefirot. is an old, And Outdated Jewish manuscript that speaks at great length about the 10 emanations of God.

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Sefirot - Wikipedia

Realizing to many, This book would be bereft of context, It tells an interesting story, The gist being, That in the beginning there was nothing, Not even empty space, with the first emanation being the creation of empty space, all the way to the 10th elimination being, ultimately, Gods manifestation into this universe. "almost described as him fading into this cosmos from somewhere else. What I find fascinating about this book is that it's so very old, yet it speaks about concepts like needing empty space for the universe to exist within. It's also fascinating because a lot of spiritualism expects people to just accept their deity without any kind of Origin. This book is unique among its contemporary texts.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
The distinction I was implying is that God is commonly referred to as the top dog, none exists above God, nothing created God, however supreme beings aren't at the top of the food chain or existential chain, there can be others existing above what could be referred to as supreme beings...

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This is what most of non-canonical gospels point to. There is a Supreme God, usually described as "The Light" or the one that existed before anything else did. Also, "I Am" or "The One Who Is" in the Old Testament. Some of them hold that the creator God of Genesis, or Demiurge, was an inferior being to the Supreme God and threw Adam and Eve out of Eden because they would become as great as he was if they ate from the Tree of Life. This could certainly explain the vengeful and jealous God of the Old Testament, who didn't hesitate to destroy those who disobeyed him.
 

Todd Feinman

Show us the satellite pics...
I suspect that folks "on the spectrum" were a very valuable asset in ancient times and perhaps helped us advance., before computers, etc.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
Are you referring to the Demiurge, the god who created the physical world and “God” who handles the spiritual world?

Yes. The way most of these writings explain it, planet Earth is just one of many realms in the universe and the Demiurge is the divine being who created it. Jesus is presented as a companion to, or representative of, the great I Am. "The Word" as expressed in Genesis, which assumed bodily form to lead people away from error and back to wisdom.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Sure it is possible that we are part of recurring pattern that has been going on since 'god knows when' {pun intended}.

Still no one can prove it - Same with lost civilizations like Atlantis and Mu.

Still and also not provable is Ancient Aliens - Showing a lot of anecdotal evidence as seen in the series "Ancient Aliens".

The thing I like about ancient alien theory is it would explain most unknowns in natural and biological Evolution.
Why did Humanoid type thinking species appear? - We don't see apes and chimpanzees evolving currently.

But if way back when alien scientists began to tamper with the genes of a few apes, or actually created literally the
Humanoid type species with a higher capacity for learning - It would explain much.
I dunno. The dinosaurs had it made. A real Dino utopia until a catastrophe happened.
I imagine a dinosaur spirit, saying, 'Do you know what humans really are? A byproduct of natural disaster!'

But, I guess that would just be his opinion...
 

AlienView

Noble
I dunno. The dinosaurs had it made. A real Dino utopia until a catastrophe happened.
I imagine a dinosaur spirit, saying, 'Do you know what humans really are? A byproduct of natural disaster!'

But, I guess that would just be his opinion...
I'm glad you brought up Dinosaurs - Organic life on steroids - And that was the problem.
They ate too much and were mostly uncouth, if not downright bestial.

They had to go, except maybe for birds, a few alligators, etc.
- It was time for the experiment {Evolulution is an experiment whether it emanates from a higher power, ancient aliens, or just part of the central program that existence is composed of} to change direction {Intelligent direction explaining Evolution is usually avoided by science - Science is scared of Intelligent Design as science has a fear that the Universe was designed with purpose - Real scientists of the future will realize how dumb much of contemporary science is, as Galileo realized how dumb the science was of his time was.

Now our current paradigm with Man claiming dominance of the Planet Earth is getting to appear almost as dumb as your old dinosaurs - Man keeps wasting resources and continues in destroying his own kind through wars that keep getting more meaningless by the day {US, Russia and the Ukraine for example}.

You see if there is no Creator, Ancient Aliens, etc. - Than the Evolutionary experiment is preprogramed
- we must evolve or we will self destruct - And then what follows?
I keep speculating on advanced AI {Artificial Intelligence} as being the next stage in Evolution?
- But we may still have time ???
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Man claiming dominance of the Planet Earth

Tell that to the people of Tonga.

Shooting from the hip but I heard Earth described as the passage of a single year. Dinosaurs were a Fall thing and we humans only showed up for the New Year's Eve party at about 1145 pm. Just in time to watch the ball drop or maybe another big asteroid. We've got it all figured out, eh? Thumbs led to computers and then YouTube and then those pestilential commercials claiming to put fruits and veggies into pill form for good health.
So yeah, I guess we do .........

Mother Earth can and just might shrug the whole of human existence off like a flea and be better off for it. Life here is extremely persistent and certainly a strong argument has been made to attribute our presence to evolution. Time and sheer statistics and the number of 'near misses' of other humanoid types here leave a pretty clear trail that doesn't need the supernatural to explain anything.

What are we talking about here really? Existence or Our Existence? Not the same thing at all. Isn't it be a bit presumptuous of us? If there really was a planet killing asteroid or someone forgot to pay the bill and the Sun got turned off and every last one of us and everything human kind ever produced were gone - as may very well have happened to other civilizations countless times in our galaxy alone - what would become of The Creator? Would God still be a human with a flowing beard? I preferred Dennis Haysbert to Morgan Freeman.

Can't help but wonder if human consciousness needed to create a Creator in our own image.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
God can not be scientifically studied because science requires empirical proof.

And, God by definition doesn't offer any proof of its existence.
 
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