Is Jacques Vallée Losing it?

wwkirk

Divine
In a recent episode of Where Did the Road Go? they discussed the weird circumstances involving a new Vallee book that was pulled on the very day it was to be released. That discussion takes up the first 45 minutes to an hour of the show. The rest is about other recent UFO related developments.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
What was the reason his book got pulled from selling?...

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wwkirk

Divine
His new book (with Paola Harris)
TRINITY: The Best-Kept Secret – VALLÉE & HARRIS
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wwkirk

Divine
Okay, here's another one I just found out about.
Jacques Vallee and Paola Harris Discuss their new book Trinity: then a discussion about other important topics by The Paranormal UFO Consciousness Podcast • A podcast on Anchor

Note: Most people in the "UFO Community" seem to believe Vallee has sold out somehow, as they see him as having suddenly embraced the "nuts and bolts" approach. But I remember from reading some of his books that he has always been interested in acquiring potentially revealing materials, and has been interviewing witnesses and experiencers for decades. Also, in the first of the above interviews, Vallee by no means ruled out a non-ETH explanation for the incident.
 
This is kind of a WTF? moment for me, and apparently a lot of others. The big WTF though is Paola Harris? Huh?

Vallee has done far more field work than most of his contemporaries, critics, fans like me, and pretty much anybody else. I don't believe he ever said the craft (or for that matter their occupants) were anything but physically real. It's the how-they-got-here part that causes all the trouble. I believe in the end that question is moot. They are here, from somewhere else, which makes them aliens. Obviously they can manipulate our physical reality at least as well as we can. Maybe being physical in the sense that humans are physical is not their native state, but I think the same is true of all of us.

It looks to me like Vallee sees physical proof of alien presence is within reach. Of course he will see if it really is, if he can. There seems to be a significant change in his rhetoric, and certainly in his approach just now. It will be interesting to see where it ends up. I'm sure he doesn't care what anyone thinks of his choices or actions at this point. If there is anyone in the field with nothing to prove (in the sense of being credible), it would be Vallee. Of course he is old enough to be suffering from some sort of dementia, or maybe he has lost his marbles.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Also, in the first of the above interviews, Vallee by no means ruled out a non-ETH explanation for the incident.

In my opinion any and all incidents involving UFOs are likely to have a ETH explanation...We are dealing with extremely advanced technology in most cases and cannot begin to understand the design and materials used to create many of the UFOs...A nuts and bolts craft could appear non-physical but that doesn't mean it isn't, it just means we don't understand how it's made...

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wwkirk

Divine
In my opinion any and all incidents involving UFOs are likely to have a ETH explanation...We are dealing with extremely advanced technology in most cases and cannot begin to understand the design and materials used to create many of the UFOs...A nuts and bolts craft could appear non-physical but that doesn't mean it isn't, it just means we don't understand how it's made...

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I'd have to listen again, but he seemed to be wondering if they could be a type of insectoid cryptoterrestrial.

He definitely considered whether they were disposable biological automata sent by ETs.

I don't think he veered anywhere near the alternate dimension hypothesis. And this latter fact may be part of why a portion of the UFO community is disappointed in him.
 
Please elaborate. I haven't read Vallee in over 7 years, though I've heard an occasional interview since then.
I haven't followed the recent news closely but it seems like he's pushing a highly questionable crash story, then teaming up with Harris, who is not exactly the most credible person in the field. He seems to be certain he has some alien metal, or has access to it or whatever. He may know something that will shock us all, I dunno, but he seems to be "getting his hands dirty" in a way he is not known for doing.

If the 1945 San Antonio, New Mexico crash turns out to be what it looks like to me (a red herring, at least) then Vallee will end up looking foolish. That's not something he is used to.
 

wwkirk

Divine
I haven't followed the recent news closely but it seems like he's pushing a highly questionable crash story, then teaming up with Harris, who is not exactly the most credible person in the field. He seems to be certain he has some alien metal, or has access to it or whatever. He may know something that will shock us all, I dunno, but he seems to be "getting his hands dirty" in a way he is not known for doing.

If the 1945 San Antonio, New Mexico crash turns out to be what it looks like to me (a red herring, at least) then Vallee will end up looking foolish. That's not something he is used to.
On the interview I listened to, he was not committed to the metal being alien. He just wanted it tested. Hasn't he had materials tested in the past? In what other sense is he now getting his hands dirty as you have admitted he has visited many locales and interviewed numerous witnesses over the decades?

Or maybe you're highlighting the fact that he's discussing an ongoing investigation in print, rather than producing a post-investigative report or retrospective? I admit, that does seem new, though I haven't read everything he's ever written, and have not read the new book.

Btw, the table of contents can be viewed for free on Amazon.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I heard part on an interview about this. Only part because of #$%^^!!# Apple's new and improved podcast app.

He came right out and said that she did all the investigative work and he just packaged it for consumption. She hit a dead end and the name recognition helped attract publishers and general interest. What I heard wasn't just a hunk of metal the two kids found, one of them went inside of a five ton craft on a big truck and grabbed an object. Sounds like a helluva lot more than debris. They snatched ET's sextant or can opener or something. The DoE's got the craft. And that's when Apple said 'no soup for you' and I couldn't listen anymore.

He has a point. If this story is indeed 'new' in that it occurred on private land out of public view and didn't have anyone humping books and theories for decades that it could prove interesting. I guess the man who has been saying 'not quite nuts and bolts' is willing to talk about nuts and bolts. Maybe the price was right or maybe he actually believes this. Who knows. Probably both. Vallee never struck me as disingenuous.

Nick Redfern made a great point about 'disclosure' . Yawn. Heard it before, always over promised and under delivered. I can't NOT pay attention to stuff like this, the Navy encounters, the pending intelligence report. Why so much now? Why are we hearing about this now? 'The government' doesn't talk about things it doesn't want to . Jen Psaki's a pro. So why all this now in 2021? There's more to it than Corbell, Knapp and Elizondo making their livings.
 
Kevin Randle has a good rundown of the San Antonio crash story. He's probably the most conservative researcher who would be called a bleever by the smug, reactionary psuedo-skeptics, and he has a ton of experience with military regulations and protocol, so his contribution to these topics is, in my opinion, invaluable. He's not impressed with this one. Maybe the story is essentially true, with some distortions and embellishments polluting it over the years, I don't know. Some hard evidence for it would be awesome. Implausible details don't help a bit. Military leaving an alien space ship unguarded overnight? Is Ray Stanford somehow involved?

A Different Perspective: The San Antonio UFO Crash
 

wwkirk

Divine
Kevin Randle has a good rundown of the San Antonio crash story. He's probably the most conservative researcher who would be called a bleever by the smug, reactionary psuedo-skeptics, and he has a ton of experience with military regulations and protocol, so his contribution to these topics is, in my opinion, invaluable. He's not impressed with this one. Maybe the story is essentially true, with some distortions and embellishments polluting it over the years, I don't know. Some hard evidence for it would be awesome. Implausible details don't help a bit. Military leaving an alien space ship unguarded overnight? Is Ray Stanford somehow involved?

A Different Perspective: The San Antonio UFO Crash
Thanks. For me, the following excerpt is critical:

But the military didn’t manage to grab the bits of debris that the boys had found. According to Reme, the material was later analyzed but neither the facilities nor the scientists were identified other than one given the pseudonym of Dr. Smith. Apparently, the metal had a high concentration of carbon. Samples cut and polished showed “very weird structures… they look like skeletons of bugs…” You can see photographs of the metal here:


UFO Crash Remnants II | Coast to Coast AM


Other scientists in other labs were consulted who confirmed the first results, which was that the metal was unusual. They also found that the metal could “transfer heat from one end to the other…a bit like the tiles o the space shuttle.”


But that wasn’t the end of the analyses. Further, and more comprehensive results were published at The Black Vault. The bottom line is that there doesn’t seem to be anything in the metal that suggests an extraterrestrial origin. It was noted that the objects are made of aluminum alloyed to copper and silicon. Isotopic ratios determined for the nickel, copper and zinc compare to terrestrial value but that does not rule out an extraterrestrial source for the material. You can view that information, including the request for analysis by MUFON, names of the scientists and the lab used, here:

Analysis of Two Metallic Parts Purportedly from a Crashed Unidentified Aerial Object (San Antonio, New Mexico August 16, 1945) - The Black Vault Case Files


Regardless of some, conceivably explainable, discrepancies in the alleged witness stories, or military procedure, the material in question had already been analyzed, and found not to be exceptional. So, it would seem no further investigation is needed!

Nonetheless, I'll take the same high road as Kevin Randle and wait until serious investigators have digested the new book before reaching a final conclusion.
 
Well it's not looking good. Actually worse than I had feared. Vallee has been more or less the Tiffany standard of ufologists for many of us. Now, as my father would say, "I think that fella's clutch is slipping".

A Different Perspective: Trinity: The Best Kept Secret - A Critique

Well shit. I actually stopped reading a couple of times, went and did something else for fear everybody's phavorite phake fizzicist would make an appearance. It didn't get that bad--well maybe it did. I mean, Aurora, Texas? Christ on a crutch, fer fucksake.

I'm just going to assume ol' Jacques has some dementia going on...

Damn.
 

wwkirk

Divine
Well it's not looking good. Actually worse than I had feared. Vallee has been more or less the Tiffany standard of ufologists for many of us. Now, as my father would say, "I think that fella's clutch is slipping".

A Different Perspective: Trinity: The Best Kept Secret - A Critique

Well shit. I actually stopped reading a couple of times, went and did something else for fear everybody's phavorite phake fizzicist would make an appearance. It didn't get that bad--well maybe it did. I mean, Aurora, Texas? Christ on a crutch, fer fucksake.

I'm just going to assume ol' Jacques has some dementia going on...

Damn.
Your last line has plausibility. :(
 
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