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Innnnnteresting thought... hmmm!
New Skinwalker Ranch Documentary by Jeremy Corbell
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Innnnnteresting thought... hmmm!
Double Nought Spy
Celestial
I suppose you could get a few people out there for tours, but it's pretty much the middle of nowhere. Utah has some spectacular scenery and gorgeous parks, but Vernal is not close to those attractions.
I went looking for the ranch way back when, since I lived a few hours away and had a free afternoon when the weather was nice. There wasn't much to go on as far as the location, since it was something of a secret. I found out later that I had circumnavigated the place, so I was within half a mile but never managed to find the famous gate. A couple of years later, of course, it was absurdly easy to find directions. You can just do a Google search on "Skinwalker Ranch" and get a map.
That's some pretty hard country out there. I admire the people who can make a living off that land. The ranch's neighbors seem to fall into two categories: "Yep, there's been lots of weird things go on out there," or "Nothing to see here, so move along and stop bothering my cattle."
I liked Knapp & Kelleher's book. Kelleher is a real scientist. Knapp is a good writer. He's the "investigative reporter" who brought us Bob Lazar (gee, thanks) apparently without doing any investigation of his background, so I consider him an entertainer. He's good at that though. So is Bob, but I digress.
I went looking for the ranch way back when, since I lived a few hours away and had a free afternoon when the weather was nice. There wasn't much to go on as far as the location, since it was something of a secret. I found out later that I had circumnavigated the place, so I was within half a mile but never managed to find the famous gate. A couple of years later, of course, it was absurdly easy to find directions. You can just do a Google search on "Skinwalker Ranch" and get a map.
That's some pretty hard country out there. I admire the people who can make a living off that land. The ranch's neighbors seem to fall into two categories: "Yep, there's been lots of weird things go on out there," or "Nothing to see here, so move along and stop bothering my cattle."
I liked Knapp & Kelleher's book. Kelleher is a real scientist. Knapp is a good writer. He's the "investigative reporter" who brought us Bob Lazar (gee, thanks) apparently without doing any investigation of his background, so I consider him an entertainer. He's good at that though. So is Bob, but I digress.
APIGuy
Independent Field Investigator
We went up to the gate in 2013. It's a public road up to that point, and there are concrete barrier in an offset configuration like a military base gate, so no one can just zip through there. During the day, they don't give you much flack, but at night they were scaring people off, and they harassed us a couple of times. We also saw tribal police (most of the area is reservation) with people pulled over in the vicinity. They also provided some security theater for us later at night.
Not really in the middle of nowhere. There is a lot of oil and gas industry right around there, and you are not far from a couple of small towns. Several houses around, both East and West of the ranch, and over the ridge.
APIGuy
Independent Field Investigator
Double Nought Spy
Celestial
Vernal is a fair size town, with a college if memory serves, but it's not on the way to anywhere. Not terribly far from Dinosaur National Monument, which is well worth a visit. Dinosaur, Colorado is not really close but it had the Dinosaur Baptist Church, which always cracked me up. I read somewhere that the name was changed.
The road was closed illegally, and maneuvers were underway to make it legal the last time I paid any attention to the place. I don't think it went anywhere, but it was officially a county road bordering the ranch on the north. It may have served neighboring ranches at one time. There were plat maps linked online years ago, which showed some interesting things. Bigelow or someone had been expanding the property by purchasing neighboring parcels. Sort of like Area 51.
There was a small discussion board with mostly locals a long time ago, that existed in a couple of incarnations. It had no connection to the one that was going a few years ago, run by the guy from Ohio or somewhere, who wrote a book or two about his time in the area. There were lots of stories about campouts on that old forum, apparently by people from Utah. Those were interesting. I looked for it some years ago, but it seemed to be long gone. I was always going to head on back over there, armed with my Google Map and inside info from the locals about where to hang out without getting rousted. Theoretically, at least. They even had some get-togethers at night in one of the little known spots. Now I live several hours farther away, and have little interest anyway. There are a lot of intriguing stories from some apparently credible sources. Who knows?
The road was closed illegally, and maneuvers were underway to make it legal the last time I paid any attention to the place. I don't think it went anywhere, but it was officially a county road bordering the ranch on the north. It may have served neighboring ranches at one time. There were plat maps linked online years ago, which showed some interesting things. Bigelow or someone had been expanding the property by purchasing neighboring parcels. Sort of like Area 51.
There was a small discussion board with mostly locals a long time ago, that existed in a couple of incarnations. It had no connection to the one that was going a few years ago, run by the guy from Ohio or somewhere, who wrote a book or two about his time in the area. There were lots of stories about campouts on that old forum, apparently by people from Utah. Those were interesting. I looked for it some years ago, but it seemed to be long gone. I was always going to head on back over there, armed with my Google Map and inside info from the locals about where to hang out without getting rousted. Theoretically, at least. They even had some get-togethers at night in one of the little known spots. Now I live several hours farther away, and have little interest anyway. There are a lot of intriguing stories from some apparently credible sources. Who knows?
Rikki
High Priestess
what is forgotten is that this place lies in the heart of ancient Native American Lands in Utah. A number of Native American reservations surround the ranch, influencing residents in rich, traditional culture and the spirituality of their ancestors. Asazi, Fremont, Ute, Paiute, Shossone and Uintah legends speak of “portals” to the spiritual world, often fraught with forms of Shamanism. further the ranch is on or near sacred burial grounds.
In native American traditions, There were two types of spiritual tribal shaman members: Medicine Men and Skinwalkers. Skinwalkers evolved into black magic, deception and cursing, inflicting pain and suffering. They could not enter the dwellings of victims (unless invited in), but could lure them into the open where they could instill fear or harm. These are Shamans of the dark powers.A Skinwalker was a shape-shifter, often a mortal man, but also a women or child, that could appear as an animal (a wolf, bear or eagle) extending those attributes and traveling by supernatural means.
The ranch is reactionary. you come with the expectation of something happening, then it shall happen. Since it is on Native American Burial grounds the sprits of these shamans protect lands that are rightfully theirs. I tried to explain this to my Husband. Of course he never listens.
My feelings are that the place should be sold then placed off limits and let those who still dwell there,rest.
Blessed Be
Rikki
In native American traditions, There were two types of spiritual tribal shaman members: Medicine Men and Skinwalkers. Skinwalkers evolved into black magic, deception and cursing, inflicting pain and suffering. They could not enter the dwellings of victims (unless invited in), but could lure them into the open where they could instill fear or harm. These are Shamans of the dark powers.A Skinwalker was a shape-shifter, often a mortal man, but also a women or child, that could appear as an animal (a wolf, bear or eagle) extending those attributes and traveling by supernatural means.
The ranch is reactionary. you come with the expectation of something happening, then it shall happen. Since it is on Native American Burial grounds the sprits of these shamans protect lands that are rightfully theirs. I tried to explain this to my Husband. Of course he never listens.
My feelings are that the place should be sold then placed off limits and let those who still dwell there,rest.
Blessed Be
Rikki
Double Nought Spy
Celestial
Knapp & Kelleher go into that stuff in the first chapter or two of "Hunt For The Skinwalker" and it's very interesting. They detail the European and Mormon history too. I thought the book was very well done, and I was pleased the authors took the trouble to research the native history of the area. They also spoke with several local Native Americans who were willing to be interviewed. While the book certainly does not tell the whole story of the ranch and the weird events that took place on it, I highly recommend it to anyone who is interested in the story. I'll probably watch this documentary if it turns up on Netflix or something. Doubt if I spend the cost of a nice pizza at my favorite place to own it though.
The shadow
The shadow knows!
As a counterpoint to my wife. (I'm in the doghouse,with her as it is.)
I think this is a case of imagination run wild with Bigalow leading the charge.
it's like the Amityville horror house.
all story no substance.
I think this is a case of imagination run wild with Bigalow leading the charge.
it's like the Amityville horror house.
all story no substance.
APIGuy
Independent Field Investigator
Certainly the null hypothesis is still very much in play in the Uintah basin.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Yeah but all Amityville had was the Warrens. Skinwalker has Bigelow and the DIA
wwkirk
Divine
So, how many stars (out of 4) do you give the film?
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Only just started it and haven't been back to it. It's long with all the extras. We'll finish it over the weekend
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
a very interesting place, my opinion is that it should be public and no one shall own it
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
OK. We finished it last night and admittedly we probably lost something in translation due to all the start/stop. George Knapp provided a fair amount of footage from the NIDS days so we get a look at the pasture, trailer the bulls were in, the 'twin towers' lights, homestead and so forth. Give you a feel for what the area looks like.
Corbell did a nice job packaging it and had I just been channel surfing would certainly have watched it. There were a few small points of continuity regarding BAAS and the current AATIP/TTSA efforts that seemed a bit vaguely connected but again, that might just be me having to restart it a few times due to interruptions. Good interviews with Colm Kelleher, Eric Davis and John B Alexander but they were delivered in somewhat choppy chunks. In the end I'd have preferred less melodrama, less Jeremy - he reminded me of New Spock doing New In Search Of. More interested in the film that the film maker.
See? I take one class on film and become a p.i.t.a reviewer. I'd say if you are unfamiliar with Skinwalker and all that it would give you a good taste and would have made me go find the book. Having already read the book other than filling in a little color I can't say it was earth shaking. Two stars, maybe three for nice production
Corbell did a nice job packaging it and had I just been channel surfing would certainly have watched it. There were a few small points of continuity regarding BAAS and the current AATIP/TTSA efforts that seemed a bit vaguely connected but again, that might just be me having to restart it a few times due to interruptions. Good interviews with Colm Kelleher, Eric Davis and John B Alexander but they were delivered in somewhat choppy chunks. In the end I'd have preferred less melodrama, less Jeremy - he reminded me of New Spock doing New In Search Of. More interested in the film that the film maker.
See? I take one class on film and become a p.i.t.a reviewer. I'd say if you are unfamiliar with Skinwalker and all that it would give you a good taste and would have made me go find the book. Having already read the book other than filling in a little color I can't say it was earth shaking. Two stars, maybe three for nice production
GhostofBiedny
Celestial
Thanks for the mini review.
That's pretty much what I expected. Even if Bigelow's various organisations had some kind of paranormal holy grail on tape there is absolutely zero chance they would ever release it to the public (they are after all trying to create technology and hence monetise these things).
That's a big "if" though because the nature of the phenomenon itself seems to be beyond being recorded - hence my hypothesis that it represents some sort of perception distorting mechanism (whether environmental or technological) that does what it does by a combination of misdirection and hallucination.
There may well be physical components to it but it is hard to say if they are directly related to what is going on or are the attempts of as yet unknown parties using their own advanced technologies for investigating what is going on and using the cloak of the confusion which is created to their advantage (e.g. government agencies or defence contractors) .
Any kind of phenomenon which can cause people to undergo such florid hallucinations (often collectively) would be a license to print money for a military contractor and would have any military salivating over it's potential use in warfare. One could also imagine it being sold to unscrupulous regimes around the world for suppression of public protest and policing purposes.
I will try to watch the documentary this weekend (assuming I have enough time as I understand the whole thing is quite long when you include extras).
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Bought in on Amazon Prime and found out too late that all the extras were only on iTunes. Joy. Something tells me I'm not missing much
GhostofBiedny
Celestial
That's unfair though. Ask them for a refund and see what they say.