Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Not at that time.....it was better to shoot at nothing than not shoot at something. Besides they didn't fire to many rounds to begin with.
Well I can't go with nothing. can you imagine trying to get that many searchlights pointed at the same focal point.
You have to remember that the footage is from an observers point of view. It would be a hell of a task to get all those search lights pointing at the same focal point, from the perspective of the operators if there were no object present.
I would say it would be almost impossible to achieve. Remember as an search light operator you are looking up your beam, a beam crossing from another direction may from your point of view be intersecting, but from a different vantage point be a long way apart. So in my opinion, to have such a consistent focus point means there had to be something visible there. So for me, the nothing idea doesn't cut the mustard.
So what was it. Well if it was visible for that amount of time, what was it, 25 min? before returning.
What statistically are the odds of all that anti aircraft fire missing every shot.?
I am no mathematician, but it seems unlikely that all those shots missed.
So if it was a blimp, it would by odds alone have been toast.
So in my mind it leaves these possibilities.
Does anyone know of official transcripts from the military, or the pilots that went up at the time to look at it or attack it.
The Kecksburg transcripts speak volumes against the official reports.
Ok so thats my 2 bobs worth
You have to remember that the footage is from an observers point of view. It would be a hell of a task to get all those search lights pointing at the same focal point, from the perspective of the operators if there were no object present.
I would say it would be almost impossible to achieve. Remember as an search light operator you are looking up your beam, a beam crossing from another direction may from your point of view be intersecting, but from a different vantage point be a long way apart. So in my opinion, to have such a consistent focus point means there had to be something visible there. So for me, the nothing idea doesn't cut the mustard.
So what was it. Well if it was visible for that amount of time, what was it, 25 min? before returning.
What statistically are the odds of all that anti aircraft fire missing every shot.?
I am no mathematician, but it seems unlikely that all those shots missed.
So if it was a blimp, it would by odds alone have been toast.
So in my mind it leaves these possibilities.
- A weapon that in the 1940s was immune to AA fire, which I think unlikely.
- Or, some thing unknown to us all of an unknown origin?
- Secret weapon, but I don't think it attacked?
- ET, observing, meh???
- Something we have not though of yet.
Does anyone know of official transcripts from the military, or the pilots that went up at the time to look at it or attack it.
The Kecksburg transcripts speak volumes against the official reports.
Ok so thats my 2 bobs worth
ImmortalLegend527
The Messenger Of All Gods old and new
Unless 3 has something to do with this, then its nothing, if 3 has something to do with this, then its the angels that they were shotting at, being though they are the only real ET that resides on this planet...any other explanation in this time frame is absolutely....lol, embarrassing to the human mortal mainframe.
never seen this video before don't have my headphones on to listen to what they said.Hopefully, they didn't say or mention flying saucers..or, never mind.
Rick Hunter
Celestial
I have often wondered if what they were shooting at were the same thing or phenomena as the Foo Fighters reported by pilots.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Dundee.....your responses are in bold.....mine are not.
Well I can't go with nothing. can you imagine trying to get that many searchlights pointed at the same focal point.
Some of the time they were shooting at nothing.....they could also have been shooting at weather balloons released and a barage balloon that got loose.
You have to remember that the footage is from an observers point of view.
Yes I'm aware of that......in Culver City.
It would be a hell of a task to get all those search lights pointing at the same focal point, from the perspective of the operators if there were no object present.
You do realize that the search were motorized?
I would say it would be almost impossible to achieve.
No I do not think it would be that hard....even for the inexperienced crews.
Remember as an search light operator you are looking up your beam,
A search light isn't operated by just one person per light.....each one has spotters too.
A beam crossing from another direction may from your point of view be intersecting, but from a different vantage point be a long way apart.
I agree with this.
So in my opinion, to have such a consistent focus point means there had to be something visible there. So for me, the nothing idea doesn't cut the mustard.
I'd agree with you on this if I saw something in the "famous" image where the 6 or 7 lights appear to be intersecting.
So what was it.
Its hard to say.....people couldn't even agree on the number, direction, speed or altitude. If you can find a map showing the path, altitude and timeline that would be great. Also bear in mind war hysteria was quite prevalent at that time.
Well if it was visible for that amount of time, what was it, 25 min? before returning.
Its not confirmed it was actually sighted as there were so many different reports. We should confirm what was there first before we try and figure out where it went too.
What statistically are the odds of all that anti aircraft fire missing every shot.?
very good.....since very few rounds were fired from several different locations. Later in the war with confirmed targets, proximity fuses, radar range finding and experienced operators it took on average 1,000 rounds fired for every enemy aircraft downed.
I am no mathematician, but it seems unlikely that all those shots missed.
Yes.....but that's assuming they were aiming properly.....it doesn't appear they knew what if anything they were firing at or any other things needed to fire accurately. So with no proximity fuses, no radar targeting, no confirmed targets and inexperienced operators I don't find it strange at all.
So if it was a blimp, it would by odds alone have been toast.
Again assuming they were aiming accurately.
So in my mind it leaves these possibilities.
A weapon that in the 1940s was immune to AA fire, which I think unlikely.
I agree that this appears unlikely.
Or, some thing unknown to us all of an unknown origin?
I think it is likely something that was not understood at that time.
Secret weapon, but I don't think it attacked?
Don't think it was exactly a secret weapon......we knew the japanese had sub launched aircraft. But you are correct if there was anything it didn't attack.
ET, observing, meh???
LOL.....I doubt this.
Something we have not though of yet.
Since very little is known or confirmed in regards to this "event".....we need quite a few things answered. However, its highly unlikely this will ever happen.
Does anyone know of official transcripts from the military, or the pilots that went up at the time to look at it or attack it.
I'm looking for copies of after action reports......but there were no aircraft launched during this event.
The Kecksburg transcripts speak volumes against the official reports.
Not really sure what the official "report" said or where to find it on this event. Whatever the case the "official reports" should still be used to answer a persons questions.
Kecksburg is another event that is more myth now.....I remember an eyewitness described an engine of a secret aircraft when shown a picture. So whatever the "government is covering everything up" lunatics are saying 4th and 5th hand is not going to be to helpful in finding what happened in any event.
Well I can't go with nothing. can you imagine trying to get that many searchlights pointed at the same focal point.
Some of the time they were shooting at nothing.....they could also have been shooting at weather balloons released and a barage balloon that got loose.
You have to remember that the footage is from an observers point of view.
Yes I'm aware of that......in Culver City.
It would be a hell of a task to get all those search lights pointing at the same focal point, from the perspective of the operators if there were no object present.
You do realize that the search were motorized?
I would say it would be almost impossible to achieve.
No I do not think it would be that hard....even for the inexperienced crews.
Remember as an search light operator you are looking up your beam,
A search light isn't operated by just one person per light.....each one has spotters too.
A beam crossing from another direction may from your point of view be intersecting, but from a different vantage point be a long way apart.
I agree with this.
So in my opinion, to have such a consistent focus point means there had to be something visible there. So for me, the nothing idea doesn't cut the mustard.
I'd agree with you on this if I saw something in the "famous" image where the 6 or 7 lights appear to be intersecting.
So what was it.
Its hard to say.....people couldn't even agree on the number, direction, speed or altitude. If you can find a map showing the path, altitude and timeline that would be great. Also bear in mind war hysteria was quite prevalent at that time.
Well if it was visible for that amount of time, what was it, 25 min? before returning.
Its not confirmed it was actually sighted as there were so many different reports. We should confirm what was there first before we try and figure out where it went too.
What statistically are the odds of all that anti aircraft fire missing every shot.?
very good.....since very few rounds were fired from several different locations. Later in the war with confirmed targets, proximity fuses, radar range finding and experienced operators it took on average 1,000 rounds fired for every enemy aircraft downed.
I am no mathematician, but it seems unlikely that all those shots missed.
Yes.....but that's assuming they were aiming properly.....it doesn't appear they knew what if anything they were firing at or any other things needed to fire accurately. So with no proximity fuses, no radar targeting, no confirmed targets and inexperienced operators I don't find it strange at all.
So if it was a blimp, it would by odds alone have been toast.
Again assuming they were aiming accurately.
So in my mind it leaves these possibilities.
A weapon that in the 1940s was immune to AA fire, which I think unlikely.
I agree that this appears unlikely.
Or, some thing unknown to us all of an unknown origin?
I think it is likely something that was not understood at that time.
Secret weapon, but I don't think it attacked?
Don't think it was exactly a secret weapon......we knew the japanese had sub launched aircraft. But you are correct if there was anything it didn't attack.
ET, observing, meh???
LOL.....I doubt this.
Something we have not though of yet.
Since very little is known or confirmed in regards to this "event".....we need quite a few things answered. However, its highly unlikely this will ever happen.
Does anyone know of official transcripts from the military, or the pilots that went up at the time to look at it or attack it.
I'm looking for copies of after action reports......but there were no aircraft launched during this event.
The Kecksburg transcripts speak volumes against the official reports.
Not really sure what the official "report" said or where to find it on this event. Whatever the case the "official reports" should still be used to answer a persons questions.
Kecksburg is another event that is more myth now.....I remember an eyewitness described an engine of a secret aircraft when shown a picture. So whatever the "government is covering everything up" lunatics are saying 4th and 5th hand is not going to be to helpful in finding what happened in any event.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
I agree.....its not likely they were firing at nothing the entire time.
Gambeir
Celestial
Probably a Jap balloon bomb, possibly a plasma bolide or St. Elmo's Fire.
A billion to one chance it was cloud that looked like an aircraft.
Other potential: Intentional Act
Full sized aircraft were commonly employed in tests in that epoch of time for potential use in war. The most famous being the ill fated explosion of a B-17 that killed on of the Kennedy kids later in the war, but robot controlled aircraft were objectives of nations, especially the US and Germany. Considering the location I think it's possible that what may have actually happened is that the powers that be were shooting an escapee.
Probably fearing loss of technology secrets, but most importantly the fear that a revelation on the public about secret projects would awaken them to the idea these existed and so possibly more, and so the military was tasked with locating some kind spy balloon or blimp which had gotten lose. May have involved aircraft, and they were probably told of false reports of Jap Bombers and Raiders. That's most likely I think. This makes the military unaware and yet determined to destroy the enemy.
A cover story has since evolved to include possible alien space ships, but the descriptions I've read seem to suggest a blimp or balloon. I think that if we really knew the truth we would find that some of the lucky breaks of WWII in finding enemy fleets with their pants down was less accidental and good fortune than we have lead to believe.
I'm gonna chalk this one up to escaped fugitive. California was the prime location for a number of major aviation corporations at the time, not just Lockheed, so it could have come from any number of them.
A billion to one chance it was cloud that looked like an aircraft.
Other potential: Intentional Act
Full sized aircraft were commonly employed in tests in that epoch of time for potential use in war. The most famous being the ill fated explosion of a B-17 that killed on of the Kennedy kids later in the war, but robot controlled aircraft were objectives of nations, especially the US and Germany. Considering the location I think it's possible that what may have actually happened is that the powers that be were shooting an escapee.
Probably fearing loss of technology secrets, but most importantly the fear that a revelation on the public about secret projects would awaken them to the idea these existed and so possibly more, and so the military was tasked with locating some kind spy balloon or blimp which had gotten lose. May have involved aircraft, and they were probably told of false reports of Jap Bombers and Raiders. That's most likely I think. This makes the military unaware and yet determined to destroy the enemy.
A cover story has since evolved to include possible alien space ships, but the descriptions I've read seem to suggest a blimp or balloon. I think that if we really knew the truth we would find that some of the lucky breaks of WWII in finding enemy fleets with their pants down was less accidental and good fortune than we have lead to believe.
I'm gonna chalk this one up to escaped fugitive. California was the prime location for a number of major aviation corporations at the time, not just Lockheed, so it could have come from any number of them.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
I don't know about foo fighters......but I'm thinking the initial radar contacts were some type of weather system off shore.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Why would they get in trouble?
August
Metanoia
Shooting at nothing.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Since they were given the order to do so....I'd say no.....and since its better to shoot at nothing than not shoot at something the few rounds they fired it wasn't a waste at all.
August
Metanoia
If it was in over a populated area where did all the shells that hit nothing land ? I bet who ever gave those orders would have copped a kick in the butt if someone had gotten hurt from falling unnecessary ordinance. Firing at 'something' is forgivable but shooting at 'nothing' is not so good I think .
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Six people died......but if memory serves no charges were filed. Bear in mind they'd have been shooting down aircraft over the city had there been an air raid.....but they would have fired.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Had they fired a lot of rounds far more people would have died.
nivek
As Above So Below
They may have been able to shoot down the ufo if more rounds were fired...
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Yes....if in fact there was something to shoot at and they could hit it.