Reid says UFOs not necessarily from other worlds

Discussion in 'Alien-UFOs in the Media' started by wwkirk, Aug 1, 2020.

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Which option do you think is most likely true?

  1. Alien visitation has been happening but the various governments don't clearly know what's going on.

    5 vote(s)
    71.4%
  2. Alien visitation has been happening & prohibit world governments from revealing it until the future.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Alien visitation has been happening & prohibit world governments from revealing it ever.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Alien visitation has not been happening.

    2 vote(s)
    28.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. wwkirk

    wwkirk Celestial

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    Harry Reid speaks to Mystery Wire to clarify where he stands on UFOs. (There is a video I wasn't able to embed here.)

    https://w3.cdn.anvato.net/player/pr...TgzIiwid2lkdGgiOjY0MCwiaGVpZ2h0IjozNjB9#amp=1

    MYSTERY WIRE — Has the U.S. government been hiding pieces from crashed UFOs? A new report from the New York Times suggests the answer might be yes.

    It’s a question being asked again by many thanks the most recent UFO related story published in the New York Times.

    The Times acknowledged what Mystery Wire has reported before, that a secret Pentagon study looking into UFOs is still active.

    But since it was published the journalists who wrote the story have drawn a rebuke from one of the quoted sources, former Nevada Senator Harry Reid.

    Reid has spoken to Mystery Wire on and off the record about UFO issues more times than any other media organization. Each time, Reid was asked about the ongoing rumors of crashed vehicles, recovered materials, and other dark secrets.

    These are the same rumors that started with the Roswell incident in 1947 and resurfaced in 1989 with news reports about alleged alien technology stashed in the Nevada desert near Area 51.

    “Well, you know, George, I’ll have to look at this,” Reid said during one interview. “I have heard about this exact story. I’ve heard about it as a kind of a preview of your program I visited with you once before. I’m anxious to get the facts.” Reid said this on the same day Bob Lazar’s tale was unveiled.

    Reid visited area 51 several times over his time in Congress, but has never talked about what he did or did not see at the base.

    The new report from the Times has re-sparked public interest in UFOs around the globe. The Times confirmed what Mystery Wire reported dating back to 2017. The paper published details of a secret study of UFOs, or as the government now calls them, unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), continues inside the Office of Naval Intelligence.

    The UAP task force is studying reports, videos, and sensor data from recent encounters between U.S. warplanes and advanced craft of unknown origin. Congress has received closed-door briefings and is now on record in favor of public releases about the UAP task force.

    But the times story also focused on a more controversial angle, the so-called crash retrievals, which allegedly have generated pieces of exotic materials of unknown origin.

    The Times quotes Reid as saying he, “came to the conclusion that there were reports – some were substantive, some not so substantive – of actual materials the government and the private sector had in their possession.”

    The same article quoted astrophysicist Dr. Eric Davis, who was a consultant to the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Applications Program (AAWSAP), the once-secret UFO study initiated by Reid, and based in Las Vegas.

    Davis lived in Las Vegas and worked for billionaire Robert Bigelow who was awarded a Pentagon contract to study the UFO mystery. Davis told the Times he has briefed both the Pentagon and Congress about “retrievals of off world vehicles not made on this earth.”

    Reid staffers reacted to the Times story by demanding a correction, which the Times provided, but the reporters say they still stand by the story and the quote from Reid.

    Reid then fired off a pointed message on social media reiterating that he has no knowledge of, and never suggested, that the government has debris from flying saucers or other worlds.

    So how did the disagreement arise?

    Looking back at our previous interviews with Senator Reid, his primary interest in UFOs has always been national security, and whether Russia or China might be able to duplicate the technology displayed in known UFO incidents before the U.S. does.

    Reid says neither he nor anyone else knows for sure where these mystery craft originate. In 2009, he attempted to create a special access program that might pursue UFO information, files, and evidence hidden in other secret programs. It would also to track down persistent rumors about crashed saucers and alien technology.

    “One reason I did that is there’s always this rumor … some people say that there are some public corporations that have materials that we should look at.” Reid said during a 2019 interview. “Now, I wanted to make sure that that was valid or not valid.”

    When asked if he thought anyone has pieces or a craft, he said, “But I don’t know, George. I don’t know why they want to put this to sleep. Unless there’s something to it.”

    While the Times stands by its reporting, people close to Reid say the senator feels his comments were unfairly characterized.



    Since the tweet above to clarify his statements according to the Times, Senator Reid hasn’t publicly said or written anything, until now.
     
  2. wwkirk

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    One of the reasons I started this thread was so I could re-post a brief analysis of the "alien visitation problem" that I made on Facebook:

    So many UFO enthusiasts long for the government to reveal the truth about alien visitation. But IF alien visitation is a reality, the aliens themselves could reveal themselves at any time. So, there are a number of possibilities:

    (a) alien visitation has been happening, but the various governments don't clearly know what's going on,

    (b-1) alien visitation has been happening, but the aliens have prohibited the world's governments from revealing the truth until some point in the future,

    (b-2) alien visitation has been happening, but the aliens have prohibited the world's governments from revealing the truth EVER, or

    (c) alien visitation has not been happening.

    Have I missed anything?

    Note that under none of the options would Harry Reid be in a position to confirm alien visitation.

    Which option do you think is most likely true?
     
  3. pigfarmer

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    Probably A. There is a way to start a poll on a thread with those options. Dunno how to do it right now ..... but pretty sure it can be done
     
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  4. nivek

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    I can add a poll after the thread was started if @wwkirk would like me to do so with those options...

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  5. wwkirk

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    Yes, please do.
     
  6. nivek

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    Done, I had to make your paragraphs slightly more concise to fit the character limits of the poll...

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  7. wwkirk

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    Very nice. Thanks.
     
  8. nivek

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    I picked the first one although for a while I was on the fence whether or not the governments knew what aliens were visiting here regularly and I do believe there are some aliens who do frequent this planet, some likely have had bases on this planet for some time now...So now I feel fairly certain the major and minor governments of Earth do not really know what is going on with aliens visiting our plant but they do know aliens are coming here and have been coming here for a long time...I don't think many aliens see us as equals and likely see us as extremely primitive, especially emotionally, so I doubt any alien species would make a deal with any government on this planet, they probably don't trust us either given our violent tendencies against our own kind...Of course there are exceptions and there are likely some aliens who may desire to contact us and make an effort to contact isolated individuals instead of landing in a city where there are masses of violent people...

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  9. Lam

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    I voted...C
     
  10. wwkirk

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    Do you mean 'D'?
     
  11. nivek

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    I should also mention I'm including alien abductions as part of the 'visitations' that I believe are occurring...

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  12. Lam

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    There was no D, there was a, b-1, b-2, and c???

    So i picked c.... Aliens have NOT been visiting this planet
     
  13. wwkirk

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    I see. You responded to the text of my post. But there's also a standard-type poll at the top of the page. Can you see it?
     
  14. Lam

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    Yes. I voted on it. So yeah i picked D on there.
     
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  15. Spaceman spiff

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    Reid has kinda been dancing around the issue, he says one thing in public, but in Unidentified interviews shows a lot more open minded attitude. A politician, so why not.
     
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  16. pigfarmer

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  17. Rick Hunter

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    I voted for A. Everything I have read indicates that the phenomenon is very real, and most government personnel know nothing about it. Nor would they have any reason to, given that nearly all government employees and politicians deal with more mundane matters. Some government personnel within military and scientific circles undoubtedly know something about the phenomena, just what and how much they know is difficult to say.

    I've never read anything convincing that shows the aliens give a hoot one way or the other about what we think of them, or even if we believe they are real or not. The Aliens in Disguise type MIB stories are problematic in this regard, as the MIB usually show up after the witness has had a brief sighting. Sometimes they even visit people who are not witnesses to the actual event but just heard about it secondhand. I would think the aliens would be smart enough to figure out:

    A. People on planet Earth have reported alien encounters for thousands of years, this is common knowledge. Silencing one person who saw some lights in the sky is not going to stop the knowledge of an alien presence.

    B. Most humans don't like being bossed around or intimidated. Even if they are frightened of the MIBs at first, a large number of them are going to talk about it. Wouldn't it be easier and more effective to just leave the witness alone, especially if they had only a brief sighting? Or, could the aliens' intentions be a sort of reverse psychology, in which by using the MIB to make a big deal about it they hope the witnesses will talk?
     
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  18. pigfarmer

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    I voted for A. I can believe once in a while something strange whizzes through, takes a photo, maybe dumps some blue ice and then goes away. I can believe that once in a great while they are seen, sometimes by military systems. Sometimes by school kids.

    But as for the rest, as Ruppelt said it's modern mythology. You decide for yourself where that line is between perception and reality. There's the beauty of it - if no one knows what's right then nobody is wrong. Made for a lot of arguing over the last few decades ......
     
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