'Strange Effects From UFOs'

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  1. karl 12

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    One of the first reports to openly address occupant antics and catalogue UFO physiological effects, the NICAP paper 'Strange Effects From UFOs' by Gordon Lore is quite an entertaining one and has now been made available free online.

    Lots of bizarre accounts of UFOs causing lightbeams, burns, radiation effects, eye irritation, EM effects, animal reaction etc. being described as well as freaky cases such as Cisco Grove, Hanbury and the 1968 Everglades incident.



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    Gordon Lore is a bit of a legend within UFO research and has conducted some great work alongside folks such as Major Donald Keyhoe, Richard Hall, Dr. James McDonald, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Dr Jacques Vallee etc.

    Here he is in an interview discussing various aspects of the UFO subject including the archival research of Barry Greenwood, Dr James McDonald's first trip to NICAP (and his tragic death) and how CIA operative Stuart Nixon warned him not to release and publish 'Strange effects from UFOs'.





    Gordon also co-authoured this paper which is freely available.


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  2. Dejan Corovic

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    One "strange" effect that I picked up while researching General Relativity side effects is the rumbling of the ground. Basically, what happens, there is a gravitational field around UFO's warp drive, and as UFO moves it lifts ground under itself, while ground in the place behind drops back into its old place. That causes a sort of a wave and rumbling of the ground. Quite few witensses report that.

    Similar lifting happend in the well known case in 1977 Castelo de Bode in Portugal with a military pilot Jose Francisco Rodrigues, where UFO flew above arch-gravity dam and lifted a water so much that generators lost pressure and turbines almost had no water to trun blades. That lasted only 5-6 seconds, but if it pressure loss was bigger it could had short circuited the electrical generator and set it's coils on fire.
     
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    Nice one Dejan - regarding the dam incident there were similar strange UFO effects reported by police at Wanaque resevoir.

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    These little tit-bits of facts that yourself and myself are gathering have ulterior motive of, nut just prooving that UFOs are here (which is beside the point and already proven by other researchers) but ultimately reverse-engineering alien technology for the service of mankind.

    In the most general way there are 4 branches of physics: geometry/mechanics, electro-magnetisam (EM), general relativity (GR) and quantum mechanics (QM). Sadly, reserches mostly focus on geometry/mechanics because that's most readiliy common knowledge, while actual clues about how aliens cross interstellar voids are in EM, GR and QM. QM hardly can be observed in a macroscopic world, so one must focus on EM and GR. And indeed there are lots of EM and GR witness observations, but they are mostly hidden in the sidenotes of the testimony.

    Thank you for good work in digging up this data.
     
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    All good mate, the speculative science does get a bit too technical for me at times but there are certainly patterns in the data.

    Lots of UFO research gone/missing/deleted from the internet these days but did manage to save the bare details of the case below where multiple separately located witnesses describe seeing a UFO 'drawing electricity' over a power station in Trujillo Alto, Puerto Rico, March, 1991.

    Reason it's relevant is that town residents also reported the blades of their ceiling fans were 'bending upwards' as the UFO passed overhead - will try to find another source as PRUFON link has now been deleted.


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    Yeah, but you only need to know the "executive" :) summary of the particular physics branch. Here it is:

    Electro-magnetism:

    • - radio crackling, since UFOs are both emitting EM waves, as well being shrouded with plasma which causes EM waves over the wide range of frequencies. That's heard on radio as cracling.
    • - car petrol engine stalling. Basically high electric field gets air ionized and ionised air becomes conductive. Conductive air inside the petrol car engine compartment than causes sparks from the alternator to jump all over the metal parts in the engine pit. These sparks than cause timing problems, because spark's energy is wasted outside of the piston where it should go in the first place. Diesel car engines don't have alternator so no sparks to jump and diesel engines almost never stall.
    • - conductive objects becoming hot. That's because of electrical induction. Metal is normaly conductive and it heats if there is pulsating magnetic field in it's vicinity. But wet things can temporarily become electrically conductive. There was an Italian case where guy was wearing a lather jacket and standing in a drizzle and his jacket was completely dry because UFO was hovering above him and inductively heating his wet leather jacket and water from drizzle was evaporating. As well his wet hair got dry in the same way. Frequently witnesses inside cars report that they fealt a heat, that's because matal of the car around them inductively heated up.

    General Relativity:

    • - any kind of unexpected lifting or leaning over of large masses
    • - bending of light beams. laser pointers etc.
    • - unusual fly paths of objects thrown at UFO. Like object starting to orbit around the ufo, or object flying towards UFO and then making a full U-turn and coming back at the same direction from which object came from. That's because some of geodesics around warp drive bend away from the middle plane.
    • - thrown objects disappearing and reapearing
    • - different physical locations being seen in the "wake" of the UFO. This is because of light bending and mostly with very large UFOs.
    • time slowing down (or even speeding up, we don't know everything about UFOs)
    With GR, basically UFO is like a small planet, it has it's own gravitational field and that field does everything as a normal gravitational field: attracts things, bends light, causes time to tick slower.
     
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  7. 1963

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    Hi Karl, this event that I believe to be one of the few genuine UFO/lost-time/and probable-abduction cases to be found, imo, also comes under the "Strange Effects" banner of this thread. .. in that not only did the Knowles family report that Their voices sounded distorted and they seemed to speak slower , but some of the other witnesses The fishermen also reported the sensation of being is slow motion and become unintelligible! [was that something to do with the potassium that was found in the analysis of the 'soot'?] ...
    January 20th 1988 Nullarbor Plain, Australia.



    ... this is a reconstruction by the Knowles family a couple of years later...


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    Yes, the Knowles family case is one of the best and the most sincere.

    I think slowing down voices, I guess, would be explained as a relativistic effect. At least on a qualitative level.

    As an introduction, there was a relatively small UFO, the size of a car's roof, that landed on the car roof and apparently tried to lift the car, or at least influence the direction the car with passengers was going.

    There was a whole family of 4 people inside a car, a mother and 3 sons, driving to a town in search for work.

    As for the strange effects on the sound ... Basically, space-time would fall off so quickly because UFO was practically directly above passengers' heads, much less than 1m (3ft) away and only separated with car's metal roof. The voices of people inside a car, who were sitting just 1m (3ft) from each other, would travel through a gravitational field that was so massively changed that they would sound distorted. That would be a well known relativistic effect called "gravitational redshift", but in this case for the sound in the air. Basically, the time where one passenger was sitting, would run so much slower than the time where another passenger was located, that sound's wavelength would be increased and the ears of another passenger would pick up the difference.

    The caveat here is that qualitative (descriptive) reasoning can lead one into a wishful thinking trap. It's always better to build a numerical model and put some numbers on it. At least the suggestion is based on a scientifically validated approach.

    An important note here is that, on the non-quantitative level, everything that happened was within the bounds of modern science. There is no strangeness. If UFOs were warp drives and if we were better at using General Relativity to make these machines ourselves, than two people standing near an active UFO and having conversation would hear their voices slowed down.
     
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  10. Skepticide123

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    Very cool --this is why I think the saucers are used to travel distances and contain the smaller objects / modules within them. It is true that monumentally large UFOs have been seen that do not have that shape, though.
     
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    The Knowles' object is described as looking like a star and "moving back and forth" --that same type of movement back and forth up and down described as the "sign of the cross" SO many do that. A classic flash and dash on a road again, but a much closer encounter than most! That's the kind of thing I am happy didn't happen to me. These things seem to be coming out of the southern ocean area --there are SO many encounters with UFOs in Australia, as we all know.
     
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    The Nellis UFO (great footage, imo) also shows the same movements:
     
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    Thanks Pigfarmer! Yes the transcripts are very interesting, and there has been a lot of analysis done on the movement of the 0bject (not everything has to move in mind-bending ways every time to still be a UFO, skeptics). It seems to fit into the pattern of surveillance of military bases and installations that has been occurring for a long time.
     
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    Thanks for the replies, regarding that very strange Nellis AFB object there are some interesting interviews in this old 'Sightings' episode:




    Also some very strange UFO accounts in this vid - the daughter developing three strange marks on her body after witnessing a UFO with her mother is very odd, especially as the father also developed the same marks and he was miles away.






    Great addition there mate, particularly the voice aspect - fascinating stuff.



    This Police report from a motor rally in Ecuador, 1978 could also be relevant as the two drivers state their car was 'levitated' by a dense, yellowish light - afterwards their odometer showed that they had covered 52 kilometers (when they should have covered 127 kilometers) and the journey, which shouldn't have taken more than 75 minutes, had in fact taken 2 hours and 20 minutes.


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    This other 1978 Argentine car levitation incident is also a bit freaky - especially when they describe being 'bathed in pleasant feelings'.

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    I think the Sightings episode was the first time people saw the footage from Nellis. It's a real one I think. Imagine what the rest of the "iceberg" Harry Reid mentioned is like --there must be some very amazing footage we can't get access to.
     
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    This one's really cool unfortunately it has the 'contractor smuggled it out' and TV show stink on it. Reminds me of the Nimitz encounters.
     
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    Really do appreciate that post mate and the executive summary made for some great reading - it's a bit out there but this interview also mentions UFOs and gravity wells (and lightbeams bending towards UFOs).

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    Have also looked into Scotland's Gary Wood case and that really is an incredibly strange one - the curtain of light aspect is very interesting and turns out the British MOD were very interested as well.

    When it comes to wrapping one's head around some of the more bizarre cases like Aveley and Mann then would also say that 'consciousness' has something to do with it (despite science not really knowing what it is).

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  19. 1963

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    Fascinating cases there Karl, the second one being imo, the most 'underwear-changing-scary'. :Thumbsup: ... And as to the Nellis AFB 'object' that PF brought up, that is one of those 'too weird to be real films' that I initially dismissed but then was later more interested in when a convincing hoax or debunk didn't materialise! .. I did a thread on it a few years ago that solved nothing about this highly unusual 'object', there weren't even any half decent punts at an alternative identity for this 'unlikely-looking UFO' and so imo enigmatic mystery it stands! :Whistle: ... Astounding Daylight UFO Photos (rense.com)

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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    Ha yes indeed mate - think I'd be a bit concerned about mine if it happened to me. :)

    Do think Bob Pratt's research is really underrated and he did some great legwork tracking down and interviewing lots of global UFO witnesses - when it comes to the July 6th incident there's also parallels to other cases like finding themselves in 'total darkness'.



    'Strange But True' episode - Elsie Oakensen, Northamptonshire, 1978:





    'Being bathed in pleasant feelings' also sounds a bit similar to what the Devereaux family reported.




    Screen memory or something else it also states at the link there were other reports of the 'red city' so god knows what's going on there.




    A real interesting one there mate - don't think I've ever come across any prosaic explanations but do remember some type of 'gyroscope' discussion- will go and have a look for it.

    Cheers!
     
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