the 2020 election

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  1. Zeke

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    The radical Marxist-Maoist lunatics doing damage pictured on the right hate Hillary and Obama. They destroyed the CNN headquarters too.
     
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  2. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Frankly the last two presidential elections have proven that our political and journalistic systems are totally and irreparably broken and the only real hope that I can see for a better future is if we burn the whole atrocious mess to the ground and rebuild from scratch. In 2016 we were given the horrific choice between the most flagrantly corrupt and sociopathic Washington insider in American history, and a mentally deficient dipshit who would be selling used cars if his father hadn't been a millionaire. And this time around it's the orange retard against a creepy and corrupt dementia patient. These aren't choices; these are indictments against the whole rotten system - it blows my mind that the people in this country aren't gathering in the streets with torches and pitchforks at the nightmare of these kinds of options for the presidency. The modern US makes the late days of the Roman Empire look almost enviable by comparison.
     
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  3. Dejan Corovic

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    That's how you become a millionaire!

    The vast majority of business-people are semi-literate one-trick-ponies, who just day-in-day-out repeat one simple process. Minimal intelligence to successfully run any business is bellow average intelligence! If you need to do something smart, you simply hire people smarter than you and you focus on "maintaining relationships" :blush8:.
     
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  4. AlienView

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    TALES FROM THE DARKSIDE - Why you might not vote for either major parties candidate.

    Some here have already admitted they don't like either candidate - Now I want to ask why??

    First I'll begin by giving the major reasons why I don't like either candidate.

    1. Joe Biden, Democrat, now represents a party that has gone so far left becuase of its 'Progressives', that it no longer resembles the Democratic Party of men like John F. Kennedy - Michael Bloomberg, multi billionaire, who tried to run for President as a Democrat and lost badly - is still probably at work paying off the Dems to insure his 'control freak' agenda {gun control, food control, whatever he doesn't like] - His money corrupts the Democratic Party more than the Businesses that support Trump and the Republicans. How can a political party that takes Bloomberg's money represent the people ?

    2. Donald Trump is a psychopathic ego maniac that most of all represents an America that he controls.
    However he really doesn't lie, as some people say- His mind automatically filters out any facts that contradict his agendas. Further he divides the American people on economic and social issues, leading to his getting stronger while the country becomes more divided. He has failed to adequately handle the Covid19 crises leaving America as the worst case in the World.

    3. Can America survive 4 more years of Donald Trump ?
    OR a 4 year takeover by Biden representing Socialist control freaks ?

    They say many people split their vote intentionally so neither party gets too much control.
    So if you don't want to completely waste your vote in the coming election, maybe you should think about doing just that - If it looks like Biden is going to win anyway, vote for him for President {or don't vote for President at all} and then straight Republican for the House and Senate.

    First election I've ever seen where the best we can hope for is the government remains divided !!!
     
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  5. AlienView

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    The Latest: Hundreds of former GOP aides endorse Biden

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    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on the Republican National Convention (all times local):

    12:45 p.m.


    More than 300 alumni of the most recent Republican administration and presidential campaigns are collectively endorsing Democratic nominee Joe Biden on the day that Republican President Donald Trump accepts his party’s nomination for a second term.

    Biden’s campaign released three separate joint statements from the political orbits of former President George W. Bush, 2012 nominee and now-U.S. Sen. Mitt Romney and 2008 nominee John McCain, who died in 2018.

    The list of signatories range from rank-and-file campaign aides for all three men to some sub-Cabinet appointees in the Bush administration. The show of bipartisan force seeks to bolster Biden’s argument that Trump presents a fundamental threat to the nation that transcends party loyalties................"

    The Latest: Trump to go after Biden in acceptance speech - - CenturyLink
     
  6. nivek

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    Joe Biden hasn’t said he wouldn’t debate Trump, as James Woods has suggested. That was Nancy Pelosi who said Biden shouldn’t debate. Is Biden going to spend his time during the debates correcting Trump’s lies and misstatements?
     
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  10. pepe

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    My worries over a democrat victory have been dissolved because of what BLM have done, they have almost endorsed Trump by their actions.

    Imagine what they could achieve if they got their shit together but that won't happen because it's not in them.

    Eight more years.
     
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    What does RCV stand for?
     
  12. nivek

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    Possible as well as its likely that Trump will spend the debates correcting Biden's lies and misstatements...

    Vote Libertarian!...q37

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  13. nivek

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    The Electoral results are not a winner take all scenario, sorry that is false and misleading, if we had a winner take all scenario Hillary Clinton would be President right now because the popular vote is a mob rules winner take all...The Electoral college voting results keep the elections fair and just for all American citizens who are legally able to vote...The Electoral college must never be removed or it will be mob rules winner take all type voting results...

    Also Libertarian voting are not wasted votes, nor is voting for any party on the ballot...We need more than two parties in this country, 330+ million people voting for one of two candidates is asinine IMO...If a name is on the ballot as a choice it is never a wasted vote, irregardless of the odds and people should never be criticised for their voting choice, each American citizen has the right and freedom to vote for who they want to in America...

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  14. Thomas R. Morrison

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    It means "ranked choice voting."

    He's referring to the "winner-take-all" policy of giving all of the electoral college votes for each state to the winner of that state, instead of giving a representative number of electoral college votes to the winner.

    Ultimately Zeke is opposed to the election rules of the US which, by Duverger's law, condemn us to the revolting tyranny of a two-party-rule political system, and he's suggesting methods to increase the election integrity of the US which consistently ranks at the bottom of the developed world - and I agree with him that these are gigantic and pressing problems for our nation (and ultimately for the world at large).

    It's not an accident that Americans are consistently presented with the putrid choice to pick between two flagrantly corrupt dregs of our society - pretty much all of the rules of our election system conspire to yield that result with every election cycle. It's a deep structural problem, not simply bad luck, that the worst people in our country rise to the top positions of power. At this point I'm not sure what the best solution is, but it's very clear that we need dramatic reforms to every aspect of our election system, starting with hand-counted paper ballots like every other developed nation employs so our votes can be confirmed instead of just vanishing into a dubious electronic aether every election cycle.
     
  15. Dejan Corovic

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    You should start contemplating electing a scientist for president.

    Scientists are knowledgeable, rational, talk zero bul..., don't promise what they won't do, very hard working etc.

    Best of all you'll want to keep them as presidents. Good examples are British prime minister Margaret Tacher, who was a chemist and invented a new type of icecream, and German counterpart Angela Merkel, who was a physicist. they were both very long-serving.
     
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  16. Thomas R. Morrison

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    That's a nice thought - I often think that governments should be run by scientists.

    But unfortunately the US political system is deeply corrupt at every level, and the thin veneer of representational government is only a mask that covers the harsh reality: the US is no longer a republic, it's a corporate oligarchy and both political parties here are nothing more than the two arms of that one oligarchy. The principle role of the two political parties is to prevent any candidate from running in an election who would resist or try to change this totally corrupt oligarchy - that's what the primaries are; they're designed to weed out candidates with integrity. And the massive corporate "news" industry plays a key role in undermining any candidate who would threaten the corporate feeding frenzy.

    So they might allow a scientist to win a primary and thereby run in an election (or even win) - but only if that scientist were completely corrupt and fully on board with the complete corporate domination of America.
     
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  17. nivek

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    Thats not so, there is a vote for the Libertarian party and in some election years there's been an independent candidate, we are not condemned to vote for just the republicans nor democrats although those two (main) parties are promoted much much more obviously...'If' enough people voted for the Libertarians they can win the election...There has been another option besides the two main parties for many years now, but too many Americans toss their votes along party favourites and peer pressures...

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  18. AlienView

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    I can remember them talking about the Liberterians way back in th '70s - They even won a few elections in some places, very few - They have some good ideas but are too far out on many issues to gain any mass popularity.

    But remember Ross Perot? He was actualy winning in the polls in the Presidential election back in th '90s
    - but he quit and then changed his mind - And I think that ended his credibility - Still don't know what he represented but they say he was popular mainly because people were fed up with the major Parties.

    I keep thinking that this election could be won by third party or independent candidate - Say Elon Musk decides to run - he could win - but its probably too late to get on the tickets in enough states - And he probably won't want the job anyway.
     
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  19. Thomas R. Morrison

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    And I voted for Jill Stein in 2016, but I had no illusions that she (or in this case, the Libertarian candidate) had any chance of actually winning. As I pointed out before, due to Duverger's law, there's a ~0% chance of a third-party candidate winning the presidency in this country because our election rules yield a two-party-dominated electoral landscape. And that won't change until the rules change - which is one reason why the rules need to change.
     
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  20. Dejan Corovic

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    Yeah, having scientists only Congress and POTUS would be just intro for having society run by AI. In one pool in Germany, 30% of participants said that they prefer AI to run the country than politicians. If AI is to run things, you automatically eliminate corruption, because while one can bribe human, there is no way to bribe AI.

    When you take in account that politicians are professional dilutants and make irrational decisions based on subjective biases, then who's to say that AI made a 'mistake'. Political decisions are never punished for 'mistakes' because it's given that all decisions are subjective.

    Another thing, AI is improving very fast. For example, AI is already beating human fighter pilots 5:1. Even in games of imperfect information, like poker, AI is beating humans 8:1. It's not just beating humans it's decimating them.

    So it makes lots of practical sense to replace selfish, borderline idiotic and uneducated president like Donald Tramp with super-smart, super-informed machine that can process terabytes of information faster than any human.

    Democracy wouldn't need to change at all. Political parties would propose new policies and then after the election AI would be tunned either left or right off the center. And for 4 years nobody can change settings. And so on every 4 years.
     
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