the 2020 election

Discussion in 'Present & Current Events' started by The shadow, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Administrator

    Messages:
    1,163
    This is an interesting topic of discussion, but it's the wrong topic of discussion. Because the key problem is not who (or what) runs the country - the problem is who the country runs for; and that's the corporations and the plutocrats, not the people. So even if we were to have some kind of AI running the show, under the current system of absolute corruption it would simply be programmed by the loathsome drecks of humanity now controlling our nation and most of the developed and developing world, to more efficiently funnel all of the money in the economy into the hands of the plutocrats and the corporations. And suddenly instead of being 50-100 years from an Orwellian neofeudal dark age, an AI would take us there in maybe 10-20 years.

    And this core problem - the complete corporate capture of our nation - cannot be solved by voting, because our entire nation from the political parties to every major "news" outlet here (and most places abroad) are now owned and controlled by corporate America and the plutocrats it serves. The corruption is so pervasive and deeply entrenched at this point that frankly it's hard to imagine anything short of a global extinction event putting an end to it.
     
  2. AlienView

    AlienView Noble

    Messages:
    520
    Luckily and hopefully - This will never happen!!!

    There literally must be hundreds of Sci-Fi dystopian stories and novels where AI gains full control.

    And you think Covid 19 ia a nightmare? - Pales in contrast to an AI World Wide takeover!

    Like you say AI has already proven superior in calculation - a form of thinking.

    What makes you think the AI will remain neutral and benign if given complete control?

    "It' may reach the simple conclusion that Humans are the source of all the Universes' problems and eliminating them is the logical and best solution.

    Or if it likes Humans it may realize colectivaztion is necessary to maintain law and order and decide
    to assimilate everyone.

    Remember from the sci-fi epic Star Trek:

    "We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. Dejan Corovic

    Dejan Corovic Celestial

    Messages:
    1,075
    You don't appreciate how AI works. AI is not just better in "calculations" AI is better in reasoning and even more creative than humans. Of course, AI will always remain neutral, AI is not biological entity and it doesn't have fear for survival. The absence of survival instinct is what both make AI so neutral and so good at reasoning.

    As well, AI can be tunned. That's the whole point. If you don't want collectivization, you just put a switch in "no collectivization" etc.

    The whole point about AI is that has a higher processing power than humans and thus it can manage society with more success. Idea is that everybody will be better off.

    You simply give AI a task: increase salaries by 1% and profits by 2%, so that GDP grows 1.5% ( or whatever ) with inflation of 0.5% and make both rich and poor better off. And that's what AI will do.

    Yeah, I am quite into Tesla. He did some experiments in Colorado Springs, so I've seen a photo of Colorado Springs from 1897. You know what, Colorado Springs had that muddy lane going straight down the main street as they show them in Western movies. And in just 120 years how Colorado Springs looks today? That was achieved by the corporate capital and organization of labor. If America owes it's prosperity to someone that's the corporate world.

    I'm not saying corporations are all angels and other social issues are not important, but one has to look at a whole picture, not just in his own favorite part. The job of corporations is to use the nation's capital in the most efficient way and they had proven they can do that pretty well.
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2020
  4. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

    Messages:
    19,448
    Mail-in ballots are a serious problem, all states should have voting booth opened...

    ...

    Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots

    A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades.

    Mail-in ballots have become the latest flashpoint in the 2020 elections. While President Trump and the GOP warn of widespread manipulation of the absentee vote that will swell with COVID polling restrictions, many Democrats and their media allies have dismissed such concerns as unfounded.

    But the political insider, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he fears prosecution, said fraud is more the rule than the exception. His dirty work has taken him through the weeds of municipal and federal elections in Paterson, Atlantic City, Camden, Newark, Hoboken and Hudson County and his fingerprints can be found in local legislative, mayoral and congressional races across the Garden State. Some of the biggest names and highest office holders in New Jersey have benefited from his tricks, according to campaign records The Post reviewed.


    “An election that is swayed by 500 votes, 1,000 votes — it can make a difference,” the tipster said. “It could be enough to flip states.”

    The whisteblower — whose identity, rap sheet and long history working as a consultant to various campaigns were confirmed by The Post — says he not only changed ballots himself over the years, but led teams of fraudsters and mentored at least 20 operatives in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania — a critical 2020 swing state.

    .
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  5. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

    Messages:
    19,448
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. Standingstones

    Standingstones Celestial

    Messages:
    1,792
    When I read this I had one thought. Couldn’t Pelosi hire some hair stylist to come to her home and do her hair undercover?
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  7. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

    Messages:
    19,448
    Exactly, it's like she wanted to push the envelope and openly flaunt the rules...

    ...
     
  8. Standingstones

    Standingstones Celestial

    Messages:
    1,792
    I am surprised Pelosi would say she was ‘set up.’ How long has this woman been in the political game? She of all people should know there are land mines all over the place for a person of her political status.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  9. pigfarmer

    pigfarmer tall, thin, irritable

    Messages:
    3,479
    Jesus, my 90 year old mother in law does.

    Maybe if the person comes over to do her hair they'll get some tasty ice cream out of one of those two $8-10K subzero freezers
     
  10. pigfarmer

    pigfarmer tall, thin, irritable

    Messages:
    3,479
    Or assumed no one would know. It is kind of crappy to let that video out.
    I wouldn't look to that hair salon as a nest of right wing Trumpies although anything is possible.

    Classic case of 'do as I say and not as I do'. Now back to the preaching about how we should behave
     
  11. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

    Messages:
    19,448
    Image-1.j.jpg
     
    • Like Like x 3
  12. Cosmic Cat

    Cosmic Cat Honorable

    Messages:
    136
    Just like last election in 2016 no a single soul worth voting for....Reagan if you can hear me please materialize and run again we need you!
     
    • Like Like x 2
  13. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

    Messages:
    19,448
    A Great President during very pivotal times in history, there are statues of him in Central and Eastern Europe where he is regarded as one of the greatest US Presidents EVER...In the US he helped get our economy booming again after the failures of Carter, I wouldn't have been able to travel as extensively and as prosperous as I did without that, jobs were plentiful and good pay, it was good times...Reagan also influenced my decision to join the US Navy, he was one of the best IMO...

    ...
     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. Cosmic Cat

    Cosmic Cat Honorable

    Messages:
    136
    I served my entire 6 1/2 years in the military under Reagan...No way I would do it now with the goof balls we've had in office since Reagan left.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  15. The shadow

    The shadow The shadow knows!

    Messages:
    3,988
    My 13 year old son wants to join the Marines. Thank God he has 5 to 6 years before it happens.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  16. Cosmic Cat

    Cosmic Cat Honorable

    Messages:
    136
    I was Army....13 huh....Has he found girls yet? That may sway his decision....LoL....
     
    • Like Like x 3
  17. AlienView

    AlienView Noble

    Messages:
    520
    And it makes perfect sense that Dnald Trump and the Republicans stand so strongly for the Second Amendment:

    President’s 2021 Budget Would Cut Food Assistance for Millions and Radically Restructure SNAP

    Bad as things are now with demonstrations, rioting and violence on the streets - People are not yet starving.

    But the thing you have to ask is do you really think you are well armed enough to defend yourself when
    real hunger sets in and the people are starving?

    Does Trump's base, the NRA and all the Conservatives in the country really think they will be safe?

    Of course the genius of Donald Trump is always at work and by doing little to stop either the Coronavirus
    or civil unrest - I suppose he is betting that enough lower income people will contract the virus and die,
    as it is already known that lower income people are more susceptible as are minorities.

    Yes, Trump is a true genius, even if he is a very evil and diabolical genius !!!
     
  18. The shadow

    The shadow The shadow knows!

    Messages:
    3,988
    • Awesome Awesome x 1
  19. AD1184

    AD1184 Honorable

    Messages:
    453
    Donald Trump is a billionaire, sure, but did other billionaires really want him to be president?
     
  20. AlienView

    AlienView Noble

    Messages:
    520
    I'm glad you mentioned that because there is at least one billionaire that would have been worse than Trump
    - Bloomberg, the ultimate control freak - Had he gained the nomination and won, he could have easily have led the country even faster down the highway ot hell.

    Its not money or even political ideology - Why do we keep getting these meat head aholes running for political office and winning elections?

    What ever happened to the idealism of visionaries of men like John F. Kennedy ???
    - And even on the conservative right, and disagree as I might with his conservatism, at least Ronald Reagan
    wan't a complete jerk - And as a former movie actor played his greatest role as President.
     
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page