That could have used some editing, sorry. I get on a roll ... No, I don't buy the 'no planes' stuff. Don't think Bin Laden was an engineer, but Wiki tells is dad owned a construction company. He was no dummy and quite useful when killing Soviets. And yes, we killed him and buried his ass at sea. There are precedents for that sort of thing. I also remember that we - the US, the CIA - helped Iraq in some fashion against Iran despite them being a Soviet client state. After the Revolution Iran had no cause to love us nor we them after the hostage crisis, which I remember playing out on television. You would think that if Iraq had WMDs they might have used one or two beyond chemical weapons at some point - they displayed no great war winning prowess. Also remember the run up to Gulf 1 repeatedly stating that Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world. Slobodan Milošević found out the hard way that confronting NATO or the US as a nation state was probably not the best idea. Viewing war with Iraq as simply destroying a nation state and ending a problem was, to put it simply, a carpenter viewing every problem as a nail. We blew it up real good. Even with the experience of Vietnam under our belts the concept of protracted asymmetrical warfare hadn't sunk in sufficiently. Not sure it has now - many of the young men and women serving now were born after 9/11.