August
Metanoia
Maybe he took the gun to kill himself.
Maybe he took the gun to kill himself.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
August
Metanoia
"This is the cave that I came across with friends in the Sheep Mtn range- NV
The map images are of cow camp road and we ended up at the cow camp corral I guess is what its called. There is not much here except a few remnants of ranchers old cans and such. We climbed around a bit but ended up back on the desert floor hiking along the side of the range.
This M shape errily matches what Kenny Veach mentions in his video. It's not exactly a cave in the M but there seems to be one to the right of the M shape. This was towards the eastern end of the range I believe.
We had been out for a few hours in the very unforgiving sun and were turning back when we saw this. After deciding that we would come back to check it out, we headed back to the truck. We haven't been back yet and this was seen in May or so. Tried to go back a few weeks ago and had some strange truck problem that hasn't been an issue since, just thought that was funny since we we're going back to see if this was some mysterious spot."
The map images are of cow camp road and we ended up at the cow camp corral I guess is what its called. There is not much here except a few remnants of ranchers old cans and such. We climbed around a bit but ended up back on the desert floor hiking along the side of the range.
This M shape errily matches what Kenny Veach mentions in his video. It's not exactly a cave in the M but there seems to be one to the right of the M shape. This was towards the eastern end of the range I believe.
We had been out for a few hours in the very unforgiving sun and were turning back when we saw this. After deciding that we would come back to check it out, we headed back to the truck. We haven't been back yet and this was seen in May or so. Tried to go back a few weeks ago and had some strange truck problem that hasn't been an issue since, just thought that was funny since we we're going back to see if this was some mysterious spot."
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
He doesn't seem to be to smart.......as is shown by his suicidal hiking practices. The guy hit the nail on the head when he said the idiots safety practices were non-existent.
I find it most likely he either found the cave and it got him or he got hurt or lost in some canyon and then shot himself when he couldn't go on.
August
Metanoia
I agree its like here in the Wilderness areas you have to go prepared and know what your up against. I find it odd he couldn't find that cave again nor could the other searchers maybe it never existed only in his mind. Yours is a very good summation.
Gambeir
Celestial
Wouldn't mind betting the Camo Dudes got him. They operate outside the restricted Area 51 limits.
Boozo's! These two are complete booz's and dangerous ones as well.
Ya know I'm really old, but the the experiences of life have taught me to never be without protection. Now the woods of the Northwest are not like the deserts and gravel pits of the majority of the rest of the United States. In the woods you want a powerful weapon because there's bear, moose, mountain lion and the potential for a nut job. A 223 caliber is marginal, but a 308 or 30-06 is heavy, so age plays a role in choices as much as firepower these days for me.
When I was young I was naive and foolish, these days I never go anywhere unarmed. I don't take much but I always take a firearm and pocket knife. I'm more likely to be caught in the middle of an armed robbery where I live so I always carry a handgun; you just never know what the lunatics are going to do in a hold up so I always carry a gun.
Out there in the wilds you're on your own. Back in the day I would have felt comfortable with a 22 rifle and a pocket knife. These days I'm not too sure about that concept. I carry an AR-15 because it's light, it's accurate, it's quick to bring to action, and I can carry a fair amount of ammo. Most importantly it will stop man or group of men lickety split.
The rule of fire power applies here. You never take a handgun up against a rifle. Only in complete desperation do you do that: Only as a last resort. Rifles are accurate and deadly. Handguns require training, skill and a greater degree of luck in a combat situation. Personally I'd go for broke before I'd allow myself to be disarmed, but it's a very risky move likely to fail if they have the drop on you.
Now, evidently contracted security nut jobs seems the most likely danger in the scrub lands of the wild deserts. Now I have no idea what these two Bozo's are doing, but unholstering on an ATV rider is an invitation to get shot. Now me, being who I am, well I'd probably have my rifle at the ready and the moment this guy reached for his gun I'd be on him with a shouted warning. I woudn't hesitate for a second to blast them. I have no idea who they are. These two could be anyone. They could be murders pretending to be some authority. The thing here to keep in mind is that the prisons are filled with people who will slit your throat for a nickle, let alone for your weapon and ATV. There's no marking on that pickup of any kind. There's nothing to tell you they aren't anything but a pair of jackals. I seriously doubt that in a court room you would be convicted by a jury for defending yourself from what appears to be a pair of armed thugs. So the question becomes; are you willing to risk your own life on the premise that these two are who they claim to be?
Even granting that they have some claim to authority, this may well be how Kenny ended his life, and by putting them on the defense or prohibiting their idiocy of pointing weapons at you, you may save both your and their lives by cutting them off first. See, it's obvious to me that these two have no experience dealing with people and are uncomfortable holding their positions. This is way out there with over kill reaction wise. Christ sakes that one guy is as big as moose, does he need to have the pistol unholstered and pointed downrange? I don't think this is remotely necessary. I don't think they a clue what to do or how to handle themselves.
These two are like so many others, just given the basics, handed a uniform and then told they are somebody, but underneath they are frightened and clueless how to handle a simple situation. It's as pathetic as it is scary. It's frightening to see this actually taking place all across America these days.
This is corporate america's idea of law enforcement. Take a good look. These are guys that will murder you, your kids, your wife, shoot your dog, rape your daughter and son. There's no old dog watching over them, nipping their butts, teaching them how to behave, how to deal with people. This image...this might be the desert with contract security, but it could be a street corner in America these days. Just sad really to law enforcement dool down to these characters.
Point here is that it's possible with these kinds of menacing imbeciles lose that the guy could have accidentally been murdered. It's all too easy to pull off a round when excited, and if that's the case then what do you think these two would have done? Well they would have buried the guy somewhere and never mentioned it again. Kenny is out there is my feeling.
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Area201
cold fusion
There's also a story of a man who accidentally or on purpose somehow got inside the restricted Nellis Base territory! He found a trail and wasn't noticed by the camo dudes. He died of cancer 2 years later.
This fellow, he could have shot himself given his previous depression and suicide talk. If he was shot, I think his body would be taken back to his family/friends.. the Area 51 security would not be responsible if he was on the restricted space anyway. But might bring unwanted attention. Probably suicide.
Still.. how about that M Cave mystery. I dislike hiking so I'm out.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
The way he looked and acted he was suicidal....or he was just incredibly stupid. Whether he shot himself or the desert got him I'd say its not much of a mystery. The only thing that is left to be explained is finding his body.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
He was supposed to be in a certain area......but since he appeared to be rather confused and somewhat suicidal he might have been outside the search area. He also might have found a cave and shot himself.
nivek
As Above So Below
I love hiking, if I had the opportunity I would take my dog and hike through and explore that area...
nivek
As Above So Below
Thanks, great read, I didn't even know half of it. Kenny was experienced so I don't think the desert bested him. With his background, I think the M cave is real, but if it's real, he should have found it on his second hike there. And the hikers looking for the cave haven't found it either...
Here's what his girlfrield posted on youtube after Kenny's disappearance:
I'm watching this right now:
I do not think the desert beat him either, still some things don't add up about this case...
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
As poor as his prep work was for his hikes and also his apparent lack of survival skills I'd say it was his choice to end it.
nivek
As Above So Below
What's your take on Paulides' 411 stuff?...I think some cases are legitimate unexplained missing persons cases whilst others could be easily explained...The wilderness is no place for the average Joe, meaning the average person does not have the proper survival skills needed to go roaming out into the wilderness alone much less with a small group of people...
I am out with my dog in the Appalachian mountains a few times a year for going on almost 18 years, we go to some very remote places that I do not have even cellular service at all, no roaming either...I've stayed there for more than 2 weeks at a time before...I do not take a gun, I don't own a gun anyway all I have is my primitive camping gear, a knife and my dog...
I have never hiked or camped in the remote areas of the Rocky mountains out west, I would like to but I also know I need to be better prepared because it is even more vastly remote than the Appalachians but also there are far more wild carnivorous animals out west...and bigfoot...
Ron67
Ignorance isn’t bliss!
I thought he may have been on to something at first.However he seems to have gone over the top and many of his cases especially those missing in towns and cities stretch credulity for me.I now think it's about selling books and making money.(Don't have a problem with that) but any real mystery if there was one has been swamped by non cases and cases that are easily explainable.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Is there any background on this guy......doesn't seem to be much on his earlier life.
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
he probally did comment on it in his twitter, but dint include it in a book (yet!)
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
some are hostile encounters with a strange interdimensional being that looks like the titular monster from "predator" on cloacking mode
but most if not almost all are just idiots who got lost