The Extradimensional Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis: Superstition Masquerading as Science

nivek

As Above So Below
as they say each human is biased to their own views
i can see the similarity pretty clear thanks to the research i have done in IDH, you hold more traditional views on paranormal matters

I think you're muddying the waters mixing paranormal with UFO sightings, these are two different things...

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nivek

As Above So Below

wwkirk

Divine
My take on the term "fortean" is that it implies either unexplained or even just anomalous (meaning unusual or unexpected). It does not suggest that the phenomenon in question is either supernatural or definitely inexplicable by science. It may not have already been explained, but even if it has been, if it is strange enough, the term fortean could still be applicable.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
My take on the term "fortean" is that it implies either unexplained or even just anomalous (meaning unusual or unexpected). It does not suggest that the phenomenon in question is either supernatural or definitely inexplicable by science. It may not have already been explained, but even if it has been, if it is strange enough, the term fortean could still be applicable.
everthing that exists is science, even, ironically, magic
 

nivek

As Above So Below
everthing that exists is science, even, ironically, magic

Someone once said, everything is material and can be weighted and measured once known and understood...

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nivek

As Above So Below
paranormal, means that its something that isn't normal, giving it an anti-scientific air, forteana doesn't have that

What's normal, really, what would be considered the criteria for something to be normal?...I think because something seems out of place, not 'normal' or paranormal it does not necessarily imply anti-science, science can still explain it and still be paranormal...Kind of in the same way the word supernatural, what would be the criteria for something to be natural, only after having that affirmation could (super)natural be defined...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Actually, Paranormal means, Science has no explanation for said event or phenomenon, It's an event that science can't explain, Right now, At this moment, Dark matter is a very paranormal thing because we can't explain it scientifically.
I don't know why I said all of this, You guys know this, I think I'm just bored.

Either way, Science ironically is about the most paranormal thing that exists. It literally sets the bar for what is and what isn't paranormal.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Hello all.

Interesting thread.

I would say that neither Vallee nor Keel drove the very public Condon panel to reject UFOs as a topic for USAF scrutiny. The Condon panel did that themselves by examining USAF reports, and Condon was an expert physicist. Political? Whatever. In 1969 it wasn’t Keel or Vallee who “discredited” the ETH.

Regardless, I do not defend terminology or ideas proffered by Vallee, Keel or others. I only speak for myself. I’ve had two potential sightings, though I am pretty sure both were mundane, one probably a bolide, and the other a spectacular slowly reentering satellite.

On the other hand, while studying at university, I was struck by the complexities of the spdf orbitals as something elegant beyond a “random chance” accident. That and other science issues, together with a number of anomalous experiences, led me past my upbringing of naturalism to a theistic view of reality.

So, I’ve pondered my anomalous experiences: How can a discrete, so-called “non-corporal” sentient being know my thoughts and interact with me? My conjecture is that sentient intelligence is not confined to structures made solely of Standard Model particles. This concept will be a major hurdle for many people. The fact is, all Standard Model particles in the universe occur within the “vacuum.” So, yeah, in my best Keanu Reeves impression, “What is the ‘Vacuum’?” I haven’t read of anyone who is confident that they know what the vacuum “substance” is composed of. I get the impression that many think of it as a roiling quantum sea that continuously produces infinite pairs of self-annihilating virtual particles, together with the actual particles that make up our universe. As I understand things, in our “upper” side of the quantum vacuum (Planck length or greater), all causal interactions are limited in speed to c, or the speed of light.

So, if one be permitted to speculate, based on the pattern of discoveries of late 19th and 20th century physics that revealed a great deal of astonishingly small “substance” to the universe that was previously unknown:

What if there is, on the less-than-Planck-length “under side” of the quantum vacuum – tentatively the sub-quantum (SQ) – a different “Standard Model” of SQ particles many orders of magnitude smaller than our Standard Model particle zoo? Such SQ particles would ostensibly be all around us, engulfing us, and through-and-through us, and perhaps part of our very being as well. Yet, we would not be able to isolate and study them. What if our own consciousness is based on structures that include such SQ particles?​

Too, what if there are also intelligent sentient beings composed only of SQ particles?​

What if such SQ sentient beings can, and do, interact up through the Planck-length divide into our macro-Planck, Standard Model side? And if so, then perhaps these SQ entities can “precipitate” any element on our Periodic Table here on our side of the quantum vacuum, at will, in any form they like. Not exactly like heating up a mixture of metals to form a figure, but perhaps not that far from the idea, except that these SQ entities don’t need molds.​

Then too, what if the SQ rate of causality is much faster than c? (?Perhaps related to what we see as “entanglement”?) That would potentially give SQ sentient entities speed of thought and action in the SQ domain much faster than us, and they could conceivably cause phenomena that, to us, do not conform to physics.​

What if some of these SQ sentient entities detest human beings and continually do stuff to torment and deceive us? UFOs have been and remain so tantalizingly coy. Many people’s boundless enthusiasm for the subject is a serious distraction from pressing life-issues. And if “abduction” is actually related to UFOs, then it could be taken as evidence of such harassment.​

Reject my conjecture if inclined. I concede that it is not proof. It is my speculation for myself, trying to understand my personal experiences. The bottom line, from my theistic view, is that there is an infinite-infinitesimal foundation of reality that upholds all other aspects of all of reality, the supreme Being, as written, “In him we live and move and have our being.”

I can only think of a few even semi-credible multiple witness UFO - CE3 cases. None seems to me to prove what their origin is, much less the ETH. So, any view, ETH included, would be an extrapolation.

Kelly Hopkinsville Encounter,


Father Gill in Papua New Guinea,
Anglican father and UFO 1959 at DuckDuckGo

Gaffney, SC – two cops encounter a disc and a little man who spoke excellent English,


Pascagoula, Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker,


Voronezh, USSR,
Voronezh UFO Landing, 1989

Ariel School,


So, I was passin’ by. First post. Prolly my last. Oh well … Best wishes.



The Voronezh case is a very fascinating event, multiple types of aliens using various types of technology, I don't recall descriptions of aliens with any resemblance, these guys seem to be new visitors to our planet back in 1989...I was in the US Navy in 1989 lol...

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nivek

As Above So Below
This morning I read a comment on twitter that 'maybe paranormal events are because an advanced AI got bored so it decided to start messing with us'...This is such a ridiculous notion I'm sorry to say, just as bad as the cosmic tricker theory...

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If these sightings are planned and caused by aliens, im wondering whats the endgame for them, is there any or is it just for pure amusement or experimentation? Maybe when you become advanced enough, the best reality show for you is to find some planet and play with its primitive inhabitants?

Is this maybe what humanity will be doing in a couple of million years, on another planet, using high tech to screw with the natives?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
If these sightings are planned and caused by aliens, im wondering whats the endgame for them, is there any or is it just for pure amusement or experimentation? Maybe when you become advanced enough, the best reality show for you is to find some planet and play with its primitive inhabitants?

Is this maybe what humanity will be doing in a couple of million years, on another planet, using high tech to screw with the natives?

What if they're doing something completely different than we are perceiving, maybe some of the visitors are disregarding the humans of this planet, their interests are in something else (other than whales) and we are simply the bystanders, catching glimpses from the sidelines...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Yelling at your fish bowl. Maybe we are only getting the bits and pieces of communication that our limited perspective allows.

and now for
something completely different



EDIT: having just watched that clip again - isn't it pretty much representative of ufology as a whole?
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
What if they're doing something completely different than we are perceiving, maybe some of the visitors are disregarding the humans of this planet, their interests are in something else (other than whales) and we are simply the bystanders, catching glimpses from the sidelines...

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Well, When it comes to deductive reasoning, We always try to apply psychology to the process, or even causality, Cause, and effect. I think reasoning like that, undersells the fact that they really are a completely different extraterrestrial life form. I've considered, They seem to show some kind of interest in our livestock, but ultimately. Breaking this down into particle physics. We have all these resources, which may be rare where they are from. But, We humans, Are chemical factories. Our bodies may produce some kind of Chemical agent, That they have taken interest in. My personal thoughts are, And I know this will sound weird, But, I think It's an Art of war thing. In the book, The art of war, One way to take over an enemy's numbers, would be to infiltrate them. To become one of them, and attack from within their ranks. Maybe, They are engineering themselves into our population?The reason I feel that any species from another world, Would be Invasive comes down to simple nature, Most usually if a bee from another hive shows up at the wrong hive, It's a foreign invader and is killed. This isn't prehistoric caveman thinking, This is nature at work. So, The actions of these guys, "They have been here, if they aren't here now" They didn't send us any kind of forwarning or any direct sign of their presence, Not in any open resolute manor.

So we can deduce, Without any form of doubt that it is indeed an invasion scenario. I assume They are hybridizing themselves into our society, Perhaps, To invade us. Perhaps to take us over. But, If I was a betting man, I think they may be working on the logic of parasites. They lay the groundwork now, Hybridizing. and getting their genome all mixed up with ours right? So, Then they can just at a later time, Claim to have been our creators, And to some small extent, When they have infected us with their DNA, they wouldn't necessarily be lying about that.

I dunno. It's a thought.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Probably belongs in the reverse engineering thread - but what would a machine made by an octopus look like? Would we even recognize it?

I still think the plain old nuts & bolts theory is probably correct - it is the most readily understandable and doesn't require as much speculation. Still needs a helluva a lot, but not as much as other ideas. Even at that we are by definition dealing with an extraterrestrial intelligence and TV has us too used to them wearing silly foam heads and speaking English and having human motivations.

What decent space monster wouldn't want to come t Earth and wrap it's pincers around some human boobies?
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Probably belongs in the reverse engineering thread - but what would a machine made by an octopus look like? Would we even recognize it?

I still think the plain old nuts & bolts theory is probably correct - it is the most readily understandable and doesn't require as much speculation. Still needs a helluva a lot, but not as much as other ideas. Even at that we are by definition dealing with an extraterrestrial intelligence and TV has us too used to them wearing silly foam heads and speaking English and having human motivations.

What decent space monster wouldn't want to come t Earth and wrap it's pincers around some human boobies?
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Wholeheartedly agreed brother :p
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Probably belongs in the reverse engineering thread - but what would a machine made by an octopus look like? Would we even recognize it?

Or for that matter, a reptilian machine, maybe also mantis technology, could we even recognize their tech if we happen chanced upon it?...Octopus nuts and bolts technology but so remotely foreign to us we would not know what it is, then add to that, what if tech from these creatures we millions or billions of years old...Technology beyond our comprehension, but still 'nuts and bolts', just in a way we cannot yet understand...

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