The Most Spectacular UFO photo ever captured?

Todd Feinman

Show us the satellite pics...
They should have known better. Associating themselves with a company like TTSA that has provided nothing it promised and loonies like Delonge and channels like the History Channel is dangerous and stupid. Unless of course it was done on purpose. I get the feeling Elizondo's crew is manipulating as much as it is advancing. They want to control the narrative but they do much obfuscating too. I wonder what their end goal is still? Do they want to create a mitigated escapeway for the gatekeepers out of their own mess, or are they doing this for entirely different reasons?
Yeah, I dunno! For a long time I thought that perhaps Elizondo was kind of a pressure valve for the government, as the US military was witnessing a huge uptick in UFO encounters and I thought that perhaps he was the public face in case the military was forced to reveal more about UFOs in a drip, in case things became more intense. I still think that is a possibility.
 

pigfarmer

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I get the feeling Elizondo's crew is manipulating as much as it is advancing.

Yup. TTSA was a convenient outlet and they haven't been overly careful about getting nonsense mixed up in their message. To the point where you'd say it's deliberate. Mixing truth and BS is an old recipe for deception. They are saying not quite what many want to hear. Question is, what is their motive ? Disclosure isn't it for sure so either it's an agenda they are working on that is in some way related to the government or contractor or they are just doing the same thing Bob Lazar, Ray Stanford and many others have done. In either case they are doing well for themselves. In terms of 'having the conversation' and taking this topic seriously, not so much .......
 

Todd Feinman

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I think that's why Elizondo and Mellon left TTSA; it sounded like a good way to popularize and focus attention on the UFO phenomenon, but over time they realized that Tom was too "loosey goosey" (to be diplomatic). I don't know about deception, after all, they were the ones who have been instrumental in getting the attention of Congress and helped to get that bipartisan amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act done, making it easier to come forward and talk about legacy UFO programs, etc. ELizondo was also apparently attacked by Susan Gough, and Elizondo responded by filing a complaint. So things in the government seem to be pretty chaotic around UAPs. I think Elizondo rubs people the wrong way because he is a spook, and still has some of those characteristics. He also can't talk about certain things --(Steve Justice too), because of NDAs, and that also doesn't help. There remains the possibility that he is still working for the government in some capacity, though, and he hinted at that once. But overall, I am sure that folks in the government are angry at him and wish he'd shut the f*ck up.
 
I think that's why Elizondo and Mellon left TTSA; it sounded like a good way to popularize and focus attention on the UFO phenomenon, but over time they realized that Tom was too "loosey goosey" (to be diplomatic). I don't know about deception, after all, they were the ones who have been instrumental in getting the attention of Congress and helped to get that bipartisan amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act done, making it easier to come forward and talk about legacy UFO programs, etc. ELizondo was also apparently attacked by Susan Gough, and Elizondo responded by filing a complaint. So things in the government seem to be pretty chaotic around UAPs. I think Elizondo rubs people the wrong way because he is a spook, and still has some of those characteristics. He also can't talk about certain things --(Steve Justice too), because of NDAs, and that also doesn't help. There remains the possibility that he is still working for the government in some capacity, though, and he hinted at that once. But overall, I am sure that folks in the government are angry at him and wish he'd shut the f*ck up.

Yes they have made a lot of progress, they have gotten where Hynek got, maybe even further. But it all seems to be coming inside the government or private sectors still, some group has this power to sway the congress and senate to make these laws. I mean there are now laws being written for whistleblower and witness amnesty for anything related to UFO/UAP or programs whether modern or in the past. Are they changing the landscape to what is to come, or for some other reason? I feel that even in the best case we are not going to get the whole truth. We will get their version of it. And being in that position, they can steer the narrative to whichever way they wish. It could be problematic... They can for instance make the people who did criminal deeds in the past to be seen as "necessary patriots" or give us some scapegoats while shielding others. They can invent any motive for the alleged visitors and a follow up plan. We saw what draconian laws followed 9/11. Fear can enable this. Will something similar become after?
 
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