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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
That's been around for years. IIRC it stems from letters he had written to a male friend. They had shared a bed together many times.

Much like cherry picking supportive facts out of old UFO cases I think that's what's been done here - they may be misinterpreting the style and language and habits of the era.
 

AD1184

Celestial
There has been some good news of reversals to the gender ideology lobby in Britain recently. A few months ago the independent Cass review into public "gender identity" services concluded and advocated for a cessation of the routine, and reckless, prescription of puberty blocking drugs to children with "gender dysphoria", as well as a more cautious approach to the "social transition" of children in the care of the National Health Service. The previous Conservative government had also put in place a temporary ban on puberty blocking drugs. Now the incoming left wing Labour government has defied expectations and indicated that they intend to make the ban on such drugs being given to children for this purpose permanent both in the NHS and at private clinics.

 
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AD1184

Celestial

I think we should be a bit cautious about this one particular incident until more information is available. Many are saying that the defeated woman's opponent, Algerian Imane Khelif, is not a "trans woman" at all, but in fact a biological female with a condition causing higher-than-normal concentrations of androgens (male sex hormones). The president of the International Boxing Association claimed that Khelif had XY chromosomes, which may be true, but it is also disputed.


I completely oppose "trans women" (i.e. men who want to be women) competing in women's sport, but I think that opponents of modern left wing gender ideology need to choose their battles wisely, and arguably this is not one. Transgender ideology does not exist in Algeria, and there is no legal recognition of "gender transition". A "trans woman" would not be looked favourably upon in that country, much less be asked to join the national Olympic team.

So Khelif is either a biological female as supporters are claiming, or has an intersex condition.

You might recall the case in the '00s of Caster Semenya, the South African middle distance runner, who became something of a global media spectacle at that time, in a bid to compete in the 2009 athletics world championship (not even the Olympics)


Semenya has an intersex condition with XY chromosomes, but female external sex characteristics and was raised as a girl. Despite having testosterone levels typical of a male, Semenya was allowed to compete in the women's event in many competitions subsequent to the 2009 world championships, including three Olympic Games (2012, 2016, 2020). However, middle-distance running is not the same as boxing, and there is less danger to opponents in middle distance running posed by the greater strength of one competitor, and that strength also confers less of an advantage.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Guessing my American friends may not have seen Fawlty Towers but I suggest you guys watch it.

Episode below was "taken off air" until John Cleese made a fuss, to which it was reinstated with "guidence" due to some racial slurs that were said earlier in the episode by a character know as the "Major". Explanation of the joke can be found here: Fawlty Towers isn't racist. Major Gowen is



It says video is private?
 

AD1184

Celestial
I think we should be a bit cautious about this one particular incident until more information is available. Many are saying that the defeated woman's opponent, Algerian Imane Khelif, is not a "trans woman" at all, but in fact a biological female with a condition causing higher-than-normal concentrations of androgens (male sex hormones). The president of the International Boxing Association claimed that Khelif had XY chromosomes, which may be true, but it is also disputed.


I completely oppose "trans women" (i.e. men who want to be women) competing in women's sport, but I think that opponents of modern left wing gender ideology need to choose their battles wisely, and arguably this is not one. Transgender ideology does not exist in Algeria, and there is no legal recognition of "gender transition". A "trans woman" would not be looked favourably upon in that country, much less be asked to join the national Olympic team.

So Khelif is either a biological female as supporters are claiming, or has an intersex condition.

You might recall the case in the '00s of Caster Semenya, the South African middle distance runner, who became something of a global media spectacle at that time, in a bid to compete in the 2009 athletics world championship (not even the Olympics)


Semenya has an intersex condition with XY chromosomes, but female external sex characteristics and was raised as a girl. Despite having testosterone levels typical of a male, Semenya was allowed to compete in the women's event in many competitions subsequent to the 2009 world championships, including three Olympic Games (2012, 2016, 2020). However, middle-distance running is not the same as boxing, and there is less danger to opponents in middle distance running posed by the greater strength of one competitor, and that strength also confers less of an advantage.
I would add that Khelif has lost fights to nine other women, and only won five.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I think we should be a bit cautious about this one particular incident until more information is available. Many are saying that the defeated woman's opponent, Algerian Imane Khelif, is not a "trans woman" at all, but in fact a biological female with a condition causing higher-than-normal concentrations of androgens (male sex hormones). The president of the International Boxing Association claimed that Khelif had XY chromosomes, which may be true, but it is also disputed.


I completely oppose "trans women" (i.e. men who want to be women) competing in women's sport, but I think that opponents of modern left wing gender ideology need to choose their battles wisely, and arguably this is not one. Transgender ideology does not exist in Algeria, and there is no legal recognition of "gender transition". A "trans woman" would not be looked favourably upon in that country, much less be asked to join the national Olympic team.

So Khelif is either a biological female as supporters are claiming, or has an intersex condition.

You might recall the case in the '00s of Caster Semenya, the South African middle distance runner, who became something of a global media spectacle at that time, in a bid to compete in the 2009 athletics world championship (not even the Olympics)


Semenya has an intersex condition with XY chromosomes, but female external sex characteristics and was raised as a girl. Despite having testosterone levels typical of a male, Semenya was allowed to compete in the women's event in many competitions subsequent to the 2009 world championships, including three Olympic Games (2012, 2016, 2020). However, middle-distance running is not the same as boxing, and there is less danger to opponents in middle distance running posed by the greater strength of one competitor, and that strength also confers less of an advantage.
I would add that Khelif has lost fights to nine other women, and only won five.

I understand your point well but I still disagree...If any part of one's biology is male, as is the case here, then that person should not compete against women...That individual failed genetic testing, because he/she has X and Y chromosomes, and thereby should not be allowed to fight women...Otherwise this creates an unfair and potentially dangerous situation...

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nivek

As Above So Below
I would add that Khelif has lost fights to nine other women, and only won five.

I've been giving this more thought and however way this is viewed and also regardless of whether someone considers this individual to be a man or a woman, testing seems to confirm there are both male and female traits and genetics present...So even if we are to say the individual is a woman, she still does have a condition thereby providing her with male genetics and traits...In my opinion, because of that, she or he should never compete against other women for the same reasons as trans people, it gives her an unfair and huge advantage over most other women...Of course there are exceptions, meaning there are some women who have the ability to stand toe to toe with her and make a good match-up and even defeat her, but generally speaking this is likely not the case as we've recently had a glimpse of...IMO, she should not be exploiting and using her male triats to defeat women, it is at least morally wrong...

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