The problem with Steven Greer and

[AlienView]

Most of us have heard of Steven Greer:

"Steven Macon Greer is an American retired traumatologist and ufologist who founded the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Disclosure Project, which seeks the disclosure of allegedly suppressed UFO information". -Wikipedia

True, he is interesting to listen too, sometimes even fascinating - Supposedly his information is based upon fact.

So I'm watcing, listening to, this Steven Greer lecture on YouTube:

AND WHILE TRYING TO POST THIS MY COMPUTER MALFUNCTIONS
- SO WHATEVER CRITICISM i HAD FOR GREER BECOMES IRRELEVANT
- HE MAKES MISTAKES BUT APPARENTLY IS CORRECT IN CONCEPT.

The YouTube video I was watching:

"
Expose of the National Security State"

 

[nivek]

- HE MAKES MISTAKES BUT APPARENTLY IS CORRECT IN CONCEPT.

Can you elaborate?...How is he correct and what is he correct in stating?...

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[AlienView]

Can you elaborate?...How is he correct and what is he correct in stating?...

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The reason I started this post was about half way through the posted video {interesting and worth watching,
though somewhat long} is Greer saying, as part of his argument about the 'National Security State', and that is
why 'Nixon was impeached' - Guess what? - Ex President Nixon was not impeached! - He resigned to avoid
impeachment.

Now If I'm supposed to be an expert don't you think I would have my facts straight?

Then as I start to write this post a
weird malfunction of something - Yes, I know it probably means nothing
and I should be used to internet glitches by now - But like some of those callers on Coast to Coast who
are controversial and get oddly cut off, I'm thinking the're messing with me because I'm writing about
Steven Greer, who I would bet you is on government intelligence agency watch lists - And whether they
consider him to be a nut or a danger becuase of his expose material - I'll leave that up to you to decide.

 

[Standingstones]

Dr. Greer is 63 years old and he retired 20 years ago. Preaching to the UFO crowd must be very lucrative.

 

[pigfarmer]

I know it probably means nothing
and I should be used to internet glitches by now - But like some of those callers on Coast to Coast who
are controversial and get oddly cut off

I worked on commercial telephone systems and in IT for years and these mysterious glitches never fail to give me a good chuckle. In fact, I was usually the schmuck who had to show up and determine exactly why something happened and got damned good at doing it. Once a business owner even insisted very loudly that it was a government agency screwing with him and he made a loud and convincing enough case to have quite a number of people scrambling. In the end I caught his secretary who was very, very clever and of course the only screwing going on was between them .....
In my experience if you are monitoring someone doing something they're not supposed to be doing often to the best thing is to just let them continue and never give them any cause whatsoever to think anyone's paying attention.

 

[Area201]

Most of us have heard of Steven Greer:

"Steven Macon Greer is an American retired traumatologist and ufologist who founded the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Disclosure Project, which seeks the disclosure of allegedly suppressed UFO information". -Wikipedia

True, he is interesting to listen too, sometimes even fascinating - Supposedly his information is based upon fact.

So I'm watcing, listening to, this Steven Greer lecture on YouTube:

AND WHILE TRYING TO POST THIS MY COMPUTER MALFUNCTIONS
- SO WHATEVER CRITICISM i HAD FOR GREER BECOMES IRRELEVANT
- HE MAKES MISTAKES BUT APPARENTLY IS CORRECT IN CONCEPT.

The YouTube video I was watching:

"Expose of the National Security State"

This was the only video I shared with friends and family on the subject. There's so many good ufologists and books/videos, but if I had to pick one item to show someone from my study, it would be this actually. Though maybe Richard Dolan assessment would be a good option too and safer (not a contactee like Greer claims). Not had any technical problems watching, but noticed the original version with over 1 million views is not showing up on top in search.

Expose of the National Security State (full 4 hour talk or/and the book version Unacknowledged), not the limited Unacknowledged film. Funny many negative reviews by ufologists miss the point entirely of the short version meant for the general public without prior knowledge of the subject.

I roll my eyes at some of the most popular attacks on Greer.

He's buff (oh no).

He drops names (dammed if you say something and dammed if you say nothing).

One moth pic to discount 30 years of work (really?).

He decided to do ufology so he can make money off people or the fact that he charges for retreats and material produced (oh yeah never mind the fact he left a very stable lucrative healthcare profession and still has a large family to support and reasonably has to make a living like everyone else doing this full time).

Focus on "benevolent" ETs and contact. Maybe he's a glass is half full guy.

Allegedly some on the inside wanted him taken out but were divided. My hypothesis is 1. they saw value in his contact protocols and keep him around to potentially attract ETVs to be knocked down and 2. he can be managed by pushing some (Doty?) insiders in his disclosure efforts, while they move forward with their TTSA/ADAM/Delogne projects to acclimate the public to the subject on their terms.

 

[Standingstones]

There are a number of issues with Dr. Greer. First, he trained and studied for years to be a doctor and then he walks away from that to pursue UFOs and extraterrestrials? Hey Doctor, what about all those people who could have needed you in the emergency room?

The good doctor also believes in the space brothers are here to help us. I haven’t seen evidence one way or the other for that. If they are here on the Earth they seem to keep their own counsel.

The one thing that annoys me is that Greer takes groups of people to secluded locations late at night to contact UFOs by flashing lights in the sky. However, Greer makes everyone sign non disclosure agreements. Wouldn’t you want the general populace knowing that you had really made contact with extraterrestrials?

All in all, I see lots of red flags with Dr. Greer.

 

[wwkirk]

There are a number of issues with Dr. Greer. First, he trained and studied for years to be a doctor and then he walks away from that to pursue UFOs and extraterrestrials? Hey Doctor, what about all those people who could have needed you in the emergency room?

The good doctor also believes in the space brothers are here to help us. I haven’t seen evidence one way or the other for that. If they are here on the Earth they seem to keep their own counsel.

The one thing that annoys me is that Greer takes groups of people to secluded locations late at night to contact UFOs by flashing lights in the sky. However, Greer makes everyone sign non disclosure agreements. Wouldn’t you want the general populace knowing that you had really made contact with extraterrestrials?

All in all, I see lots of red flags with Dr. Greer.

Not only that, but I believe he charges quite a bit for those watches.

 

[nivek]

I roll my eyes at some of the most popular attacks on Greer.

I roll my eyes when giving any regard to Greer, I think he is a con artist...

He's buff (oh no).

Never heard of that, sounds made up...

He drops names (dammed if you say something and dammed if you say nothing).

Never heard of that, sounds made up...

One moth pic to discount 30 years of work (really?).

Just silly...

He decided to do ufology so he can make money off people or the fact that he charges for retreats and material produced (oh yeah never mind the fact he left a very stable lucrative healthcare profession and still has a large family to support and reasonably has to make a living like everyone else doing this full time).

Well he is conning people out of substantial amounts of money, sounds fishy to me...

Focus on "benevolent" ETs and contact. Maybe he's a glass is half full guy.

He's a moron, camps to contact ETs for a price$, come on...

Allegedly some on the inside wanted him taken out but were divided. My hypothesis is 1. they saw value in his contact protocols and keep him around to potentially attract ETVs to be knocked down and 2. he can be managed by pushing some (Doty?) insiders in his disclosure efforts, while they move forward with their TTSA/ADAM/Delogne projects to acclimate the public to the subject on their terms.

This doesn't make any sense to me, you're comparing apples to oranges...

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[AlienView]

He's a moron, camps to contact ETs for a price$, come on...

So we can assume you don't like Greer? LOL!

I try to keep an open mind - and like I said Greer can be very interesting.

Another very, very, interesting lecturer, writer, and radio {including international shortwave when it was popular back in the 20th Century] was William 'Bill' Cooper - the program 'The Hour of the Times' probably had millions of listeners all over the world.

Bill was shot to death in a shoot-out with local police who came to serve an arrest warrant in the middle of
the night at his home in Showlow, Arizona - Knowing he was a big pro Second Amendment advocate,
'they' knew he would come out armed when they created a disturbance on his property. - Some might
see his death as an execution - And by the way, his famous book "Behold a Pale Horse", where he
exposed the Government conspiracy state is probably still in print.

So knock Greer and others if you want - And like I said they make mistakes.

But they all tread a fine line - And if they cross over it, like Bill Copper, - they can, and probably will be
eliminated!!!

 

[nivek]

So we can assume you don't like Greer? LOL!

I try to keep an open mind

I don't know him personally so I cannot say I don't like him, but I do not agree with someone conning money from others and that's exactly what Greer does...imo

I try to keep an open mind as well but I'm not going to let my brain fall out of my head as a result...Believing Greer is akin to slipping and falling over my brain, then there's the admission costs to line his pockets, no thanks...

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[Standingstones]

Here is the scoop on William ‘Bill’ Cooper. He was a fringe conspiracy nut who went off the deep end. All those readers and followers were just like him, off the bend. If you go to Wikipedia you will get all the shady details on this guy.

There was a shoot out between him and the police. One big detail is missing however. Some person blundered onto Cooper’s property. Copper threatened to kill him. Cooper was also a tax dodger. The police generally don’t take kindly to death threats. The police went to take him into custody. Cooper vowed he would not go to jail. In a shootout he was killed.

I would not use the words ‘interesting’ or ‘they made mistakes’ to describe these two con men unless you are signing on to their nonsense.

 

[Rick Hunter]

Allegedly some on the inside wanted him taken out but were divided. My hypothesis is 1. they saw value in his contact protocols and keep him around to potentially attract ETVs to be knocked down and 2. he can be managed by pushing some (Doty?) insiders in his disclosure efforts, while they move forward with their TTSA/ADAM/Delogne projects to acclimate the public to the subject on their terms.

I can totally see Greer and his activities being very useful to AFOSI or whoever is carrying on those activities nowadays. They could even be setting him up behind the scenes without his knowledge, i.e., feeding the right witnesses and stories to him or even putting on some kind of a show during his UFO watching outings.

 

[Rick Hunter]

Here is the scoop on William ‘Bill’ Cooper. He was a fringe conspiracy nut who went off the deep end. All those readers and followers were just like him, off the bend. If you go to Wikipedia you will get all the shady details on this guy.

There was a shoot out between him and the police. One big detail is missing however. Some person blundered onto Cooper’s property. Copper threatened to kill him. Cooper was also a tax dodger. The police generally don’t take kindly to death threats. The police went to take him into custody. Cooper vowed he would not go to jail. In a shootout he was killed.

I would not use the words ‘interesting’ or ‘they made mistakes’ to describe these two con men unless you are signing on to their nonsense.

Cooper probably got exactly what he wanted, "martyrdom".

 

[AlienView]

Cooper probably got exactly what he wanted, "martyrdom".

Yes, I believe that - And yes he was in some ways the most radical of the anti- Government/establishment
advocates of the times.

I used to listen to his shortwave broadcasts, and if nothing else they were fascinating
- Bill was obsessed with the 'Masonic Conspiracy' theory, and not like most conspiracy advocates, who
dated the conspiracy back to the 1700s - Cooper dated it back to ancient Egypt.

In the end though did he really prove his point? Was it a 'conspiracy' to silence him that got him
killed - or just a simple arrest warrant that went wrong.

Actually, nut that he was - He was not completely crazy - If they had called him up on the phone, told
him there was an arrest warrant and they wanted him to come in - I bet he would have complied
while making a big issue about it on his radio show.

But Cooper, if you listened to his shows, was a big problem - And I think 'they' wanted him eliminated

- He was eliminated.

Yes we do have freedom of speech - But like in the James Bond movies, there are agents out there
with a license to kill and if someone generates enough trouble...........

 

[AlienView]

Here is the scoop on William ‘Bill’ Cooper. He was a fringe conspiracy nut who went off the deep end. All those readers and followers were just like him, off the bend. If you go to Wikipedia you will get all the shady details on this guy.

REALLY?

TRY THIS:

"“Like it or not, everything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active or abdicate. The future is in your hands.”
― Milton William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse

"“The general rule is that there is profit in confusion; the more confusion, the more profit. Therefore, the best approach is to create problems and then offer the solutions.”
― Milton William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse

"“This Is My Creed I believe first in God, the same God in which my ancestors believed. I believe in Jesus Christ and that he is my saviour. Second, I believe in the Constitution of the Republic of the United States of America, without interpretation, as it was written and meant to work. I have given my sacred oath “to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic.” I intend to fulfill that oath. Third, I believe in the family unit and, in particular, my family unit. I have sworn that I will give my life, if it is required, in defense of God, the Constitution, or my family. Fourth, I believe that any man without principles that he is ready and willing to die for at any given moment is already dead and is of no use or consequence whatsoever. William Cooper August 3, 1990”
― Milton William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse

"“My only political stance is constitutional.”
― Milton William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse


Apparently, like THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and its Constitution
WILLIAM "BILL" COOPER will not die easily!!!

 

[Area201]

I roll my eyes when giving any regard to Greer, I think he is a con artist...



Never heard of that, sounds made up...



Never heard of that, sounds made up...



Just silly...



Well he is conning people out of substantial amounts of money, sounds fishy to me...



He's a moron, camps to contact ETs for a price$, come on...



This doesn't make any sense to me, you're comparing apples to oranges...

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[AlienView]

I try to keep an open mind as well but I'm not going to let my brain fall out of my head as a result...Believing Greer is akin to slipping and falling over my brain, then there's the admission costs to line his pockets, no thanks...

Maybe - But some of the online lectures he has given sound fact based.

But let me get back to Cooper for a moment - On his international shortwave radio show back in the 90s
on one show he took a bunch of people out to Area 51 to show them UFOs - Which Cooper claimed were
Government craft - In fact he said back then that some of the so called UFOs were government craft
and the alien/UFO phenomena was part of a government hoax
- Possibly to spring a fake alien invasion - reason to increase government control.

People did claim they saw craft on Cooper's radio show at Area 51.

Far out, maybe - But is it possible?

 

[nivek]

Maybe - But some of the online lectures he has given sound fact based.

Any professional conman will do his homework and state enough alleged fact based information to draw in his prey...

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[Rick Hunter]

My biggest criticism of Greer is that, for all the noise he makes and attention he draws, he hasnt brought forward anything really new in Ufology. At best he is just repeating things already put there. Has Greer come out with any new documents or uncovered previously unknown incidents? Has he really investigated anything? Has he sponsored any research? I mean, there are dozens of people in the field who have contributed so much without the resources and attention he gets.