The vaccination thing.

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Almost all restrictions have been lifted in Alberta Canada. As of today March 8, 2022, I no longer have to worry about being forced to do something that every fiber of my being was resisting. The choice is still mine. That's all I wanted for me and for everyone else.


I never thought I would be this guy, But for the sake of argument, How would you feel if you gave Covid to a loved one who passed away from Covid? <-- That's not a point I'm pressing, It's just a possibility. I have grand,, um parent. I would like to be around people without the fear of infecting them...
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Nothing changed, Kchoo. You will never be able to say that taking those shots kept you from becoming very ill or from dying because nothing changed. You still got sick, you still passed it on and you still felt the need to take another dose.



I got hit with the first wave and was very sick. At that time they didn't even know what was happening and told people to stay home, don't go to the doctor don't go to the hospital unless you are in dire need. I'm Canadian. This is the land of colds and flu's and we know there is no miracle cure. Just stay home get plenty of rest and stay hydrated. That's what I did and here I am 2 years later.


I agree. In the end, we don't feel safe.
We don't trust our government 'representatives', we don't trust each other, and we have learned that panic is a real thing that can polarize us way more than many ever dreamed it could.

COVID has been a big deal, and the effects of the choices and decisions will continue for a very long time.

Knowing people who work in hospitals, I learned enough to be very afraid of COVID. People suffered. The treatments required to try to save those on ventilators aren't pretty. A bad case of COVID is no joke, and the debilitating long term effects have not been made very public yet but you will hear more about that after the dust settles.

The truth is we are lucky. It could have been much worse.

The Governments didn't do everything right. We all know that.

People as individuals didn't impress each other much either.

People are not happy in a situation like this, and there isn't much anyone can do to fix that.

No government could get it all right. No single person knows the best thing to do. It comes down to situational awareness and triage decision making which can never be more than a calculated best guess.

So, we give a little, we take a little,we win a little, we lose a little. Some assholes take advantage, while some heros put their lives on hold to help strangers survive. That is the reality.
COVID didn't kill as many as we thought it would, but many
people are suffering from long term illness and many did die. And the consequences of it's mishandling will be lingering for a long time.

People we're broken by it. They will not forget, and this will spark a new wave of changes. Maybe for the better.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
I never thought I would be this guy, But for the sake of argument, How would you feel if you gave Covid to a loved one who passed away from Covid? <-- That's not a point I'm pressing, It's just a possibility. I have grand,, um parent. I would like to be around people without the fear of infecting them...
Funny thing this fear. Shots won't keep us from catching it or passing it. But they can help reduce the risk of being severely ill, and it can kill the virus before you become super contagious, and it can reduce the time you will be carrying the virus in your body. All good things. But if Grand isn't vaxed, I won't be visiting em much, and certainly not without wearing a mask and social distancing because I don't want to risk bringing it to em. I mean, what if the virus hitched a ride on my hair from some stranger's sneeze, you know? Yep... Funny thing this fear... But I ain't laughing...
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Anybody know what happened to Pepe, Or Toroid? Did COVID get em?
I hope not. Those two were Credits to our community :( Pepe Comes and goes, It wouldn't surprise me to see him again sometime, Toroid on the other hand is pretty solid and absences are rare with him. Hopefully, he will show up sometime soon :(


Two old names I haven't seen in some time are Caledeth and Spearchucker. I got along With spear somewhat at times, I can't remember ever really not arguing with Cale.. But none the less he was a likable guy.

The main one I worry may have passed is, GnosticBishop. Havent seen that guy in ages and from what I understand he was older than Methuselah and his health wasn't that great and this was literally years ago :(
 
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michael59

Celestial
I never thought I would be this guy, But for the sake of argument, How would you feel if you gave Covid to a loved one who passed away from Covid? <-- That's not a point I'm pressing, It's just a possibility. I have grand,, um parent. I would like to be around people without the fear of infecting them...

You can't be around people without the fear of infecting them. Even when you are vaccinated. That's my point.

How's this for the sake of argument, look at the mileage they've got out of a disease with a death rate of ~0.5%.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
You can't be around people without the fear of infecting them. Even when you are vaccinated. That's my point.

How's this for the sake of argument, look at the mileage they've got out of a disease with a death rate of ~0.5%.
Yes but there are things you can do to lower the odds that you could infect them...

It's up to everyone to choose whether they want it or not. But this fear people have about the shot, It's unfounded. The vaccination is worldwide and it's existed for over a year now, Studies have been done. Bacon isn't safe, It can clog your arteries, But people still eat it.

I don't believe the vaccine is a deception, I understand that people don't trust the Government, And they don't trust science. But worldwide, If the vaccine wasn't safe within limits, people would speak out.

64 percent of the entire world Populus has had at least one dose of the vaccine.

how many people world wide have been vaccinaed for covid - Google Search

It's not an argument thing, It's not a debate thing, The horses have finished the race, Newer and more deadly variants will occur. Take the flu for example, How long had the flu been killing people before the seriously deadly variants came about? The fact is, Those people who Dont get vaccinated stand a higher risk of death.

Now is not the time to pretend Science is bad and the government does nothing but lie to us. This is a serious situation. No one can make you take it, No one can force it on you. But no one can say you weren't informed about the issue.

I've had it, The bad kind. It's devastating and it takes months to heal If you are the lucky type that pulls through. I'll bet you even know people yourself that have passed away from Covid.

As I've said, I don't understand people's objections to vaccination. But I believe in freedom. Choose to do what you will on this.. You have known me for years, You know I'm studied, And sometimes, I may come off like an asshole. But I know what I'm speaking about when I speak about science. It's not just unwise to remain unvaxxed, It's foolhardy. But you aren't alone, I know many people who won't get vaxxed.

And Yeah, I blame Biden and the Democrats for that. They tried to force the vaccination. people don't respond well to such things..


The whole pandemic was handled poorly.. But There is a vaccine. And It does protect people to a degree. consider it.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
And with the numbers stated, They claim Coivd isn't more Deadly than the flu. How many people do you know that died from the flu in the last three years? Now, how many people do you know that died from Covid? Numbers can indeed lie if those numbers are falsified. ... ... ...
 

michael59

Celestial
I believe I have natural immunity.
I have never taken a flu shot either. There is indisputable evidence that the vaccine can cause heart attack/stroke.
My heart is only 50% operational.
I did consider it and decided not to get vaccinated.

The only mandates still in place here are flight restrictions for the unvaccinated and you must wear a mask when using public transit. I have no plans on traveling and I have a car.
 

cosmic joke

Honorable
Choice indeed. Still wearing a mask when I go out and will continue do so for a while yet. Ontario the slow. My normal pace. Good stuff. Besides when I sneeze look out! When I cough stay back!
 
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Dr_Doom

Honorable
I took it because I was afraid to catch Corona again

Its a shame that people believed that the vaccine could stop people catching Covid.

In some fields its actually could look like the vaccine could make it easier for Covid to be caught, but that's another story.

But then again, I had 1 vaccine dose (Astrozenica) basically for the same reasons, i was scared because at times my breathing is not great but this was against my wife's views. She had done her research about Myocarditis and Pericarditis side effects and because of heart issues in my family warned me against it. She's an NHS Nurse with 2 Degrees in Nursing.

My heart rate went up to over 140 for 2 days.

I decided after that I'd sooner risk Covid than give myself a heart attack, and have not had any more Covid vaccinations.

My wife decided she did not want to be vaccinated. She has worked front line Covid Nursing, ITU, and Covid wards since the pandemic began, mostly 50-60 hour weeks, tested 2-3 times a week and never had it.

In fact non of our family has.

It came to the point where our GOV decided that front line NHS workers where going to be forced against their wishes to be vaccinated, in the end public outcry and staff shortage, (over 100,000 medical staff would have been forced to leave their jobs, which would have put an already stretched NHS over the edge and endangered the public for more that Covid would have itself) made the Health Secretary back track and cancel mandatory vaccinations in the NHS.

He had already enforced Mandatory vaccination in Care homes, which has led to severe staff shortages, which is part to blame for the NHS being so busy, knock on effect, hospitals are full, there no where to send the well patients, also Care homes are locked down with Covid outbreaks , even though the Staff are 100% vaccinated as are the residents that live there.

When our GOV has a medicine alert system that is full of side effect data - Coronavirus vaccine - weekly summary of Yellow Card reporting - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

And also a system in place to claim for vaccination damage - Vaccine Damage Payment: Eligibility - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

- you do have to think what is happening.

I'm not anti-vaccine, I'm pro choice. Its a persons choice. These vaccinations do not stop you getting Covid. These vaccinations do not stop you giving it to some one. They may help YOU from being hospitalised. And its YOUR choice to have them, so long as people have an informed choice, and know that there COULD be severe side effects, even death. But they don't tend to mention that very much.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Choice indeed. Still wearing a mask when I go out and will continue do so for a while yet. Ontario the slow. My normal pace. Good stuff. Besides when I sneeze look out! When I cough stay back!

I had a nasty cold that lasted two weeks that went straight into allergies. I've been a coughing sneezing booger factory as of late and yet people approach me without the slightest concern all day - with or without masks. Even a few months ago that would've caused a stampede and a Karen lecture, or both. I hadn't noted a swath of death in my wake.

I check the local government covid website regularly out of curiosity. They only recently made a separate counter to break out those in the hospital with covid and those there because of it. Right now out of 300K people there are exactly four people in the hospital because of covid.
 

nivek

As Above So Below

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I need to put this in here somewhere, I'm not really throwing my own opinions about this but, My cousin Kathy developed Cancer very shortly after she got her Covid shot. She believes the shot did it.

Do we know for certain the Shot did it? No, But she is young, in her 40s. and the cancer she has is very aggressive.

In her words, She believes She may have already had the Cancer, but the shot really set it off and made it aggressive.
I am not a doctor, She is not a doctor. But she fully believes the shot caused this.

I don't have much to add other than that, It's a weird story but, It's true. I wonder sometimes, The shot uses mRNA gene editing. How do we know for certain that it's not turning off or turning on certain dormant genes that could harm us?

I don't know. We couldn't have prepared for this. It was a do or don't the situation and both options, To take it or not kind of sucked :/
 
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