To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. Spaceman spiff

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    I also wonder does their departure have something to do with this? Are they repositioning and moving to the next phase when this comes?

     
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  2. nivek

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    Yes get a job, part time or full time, in a shop or factory, whatever it takes to generate income to keep your bills paid and the rest of your time spent writing...When I was taking engineering classes many decades ago I worked in a restaurant at night and took classes during the day...When the recession hit us back a decade ago I had to work in a factory running a machine because there were no jobs available in my field of expertise, sometimes you just have to do whatever necessary even if its a discomfort for a while...

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  3. Dejan Corovic

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    thanks
     
  4. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Welcome to the club. I'm glad I could get you moving away from hoaxes like the Hutchison effect, and focused on the real answers in credible theoretical physics. Honestly I find it bizarre that more people haven't made the connection between UFOs/AAVs and the gravitational field propulsion concepts that have been coming to light within the context of general relativity in recent decades. It's depressing that so many people seem to prefer to think that these craft employ some kind of "magic" to move around, when it's so obviously a question of physics rather than metaphysics.

    Whoa - wait a minute...there's a big difference between the negative gravitational field associated with electric charge, and negative mass. As I've heard it explained, the Einstein field equations don't permit any object made of positive mass to reduce its net mass below zero. And since electrons have positive mass, no matter how many of them you pack together, the net gravitational mass will always remain positive. There are scenarios where you can produce a negative gravitational field with respect to a test body - Manu Paranjape illustrated this in a couple of papers with his students a few years ago - but the inertia of the object remains positive. And without negative inertial mass, the Alcubierre warp drive metric won't work.

    So no, there's no conspiracy.

    I just heard about it last night, and unfortunately I don't have any answers to the questions we have about this. For the time being I'm going to assume that the three men are starting their own organization, because that's the only thing that makes sense to me with all three of them leaving TTSA at the same time.
     
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  5. Dejan Corovic

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    :) as far as I am concerned Hutchison (and few others) are still on but waiting for their 5 minutes. It's just that GR is in. The reason is bellow.

    Relativity is an easy part of all this eniqma. The mystery is how UFOs produce these massive GR effects on such a small energy budget. Some of the things witnesses reported not even black holes can pull off. In my mind, and I can be wrong, UFOs are doing something to atomic nuclei, and the only practical way to influence nuclei is via EM waves like Hutchison did. Whether these EM waves are continuous or in some pattern remains to be discovered.

    For example, a typical relativistic effect demonstrated by UFOs is disappearing. What they do is they simply pull light from behind themselves, which is usually just a sky, and they bring that light in a front of the craft. People often describe seen at first a spherical UFO which then morphs into a disc. Basically, that spherical UFO "pulled" the light from behind to the front, but not all the way. That's exactly what black hole Gargantua, in the movie Interstellar did, and that was calculated by physicist Kim Thorpe. Now, although that's possible in GR, it requires unimaginable amounts of energy.

    How the hell UFOs do it? It must be something to do with quantum mechanics. They must be somehow modifying atomic nuclei in the spaceship's hull. Where else would that enormous energy come?

    Another frequent relativistic effect is negative gravity. There were few cases where very smart Earthlings were throwing rocks at UFOs and these rocks bounced back or skipped over the top. Few people describe walking into an invisible wall a few feet from UFO. That can only be a field of negative/repulsive gravity. Even crop circles and similar footprints in muddy river beds can suddenly be explained by repulsive gravity.

    But except GR, we have no other clues as to what is going on ...
     
  6. Dejan Corovic

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    I understand. So you are saying that the negative gravitational field associated with electric charge can only bring mass down just above the positive side of zero, but not to the negative side. To flip over the zero, into purely negative mass territory one needs, well the negative mass. Hmmm. So, repulsive gravity produced by electric charge is a half-a-way solution.
     
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  8. pigfarmer

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    You're singing my tune there for sure. Sometimes you just have to get up and take your bucket full of shit.
     
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  9. pigfarmer

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    Ahhh. A different type of entertainment mixed in is clearly what's needed to add credibility.
     
  10. Dejan Corovic

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    The story keeps repeating, nobody wants to put money into scientific research, but everybody is hoping to keep if floating with entertainment. Problem is, only 50+ folks are interested in UFOs so there is no money for anybody.
     
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  11. pigfarmer

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    Elizondo and Mellon lent credibility to the TTSA venture. It turned out to be an entertainment outlet that has done nothing but ply upon our basic interest and promote a lot of pop culture ideas on the topic - and their credibility did nothing but sell it. So now it's run its course and maybe on to something else. Why should we listen to them again exactly? Because I'm a little vague on that. Reinventing yourself and selling the same repackaged product is the norm in this arena because it's fertile soil.

    I ask myself - why would Mellon be involved? Credible, sober individual. In the TTSA drinking game I had to eliminate the rule that says you have to take a shot when his long title is used because I'd be blind drunk far too quickly. Then we have Elizondo, the man with a background in Epidemiology, or bio-warfare or something similar who said his true calling was Intelligence. In his case, Counterintelligence. Am I the only one to remember the original unexciting Wiki entry on him with the pic in his Army uniform? They're doing this for a reason and at this point I doubt it's as stated; beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

    Classic formula - tell someone exactly what they want hear and mix in some real data then let imagination do the rest. It's been done in the past to Ufology (whatever the hell that is exactly) and history is repeating itself. I have heard a definition of insanity that describes it as doing the same thing over and over and over expecting a different result. I always thought that was kind of stupid. Until this.

    But - I like Lue. I like about anybody that cruises around on an old bike with a sidecar.
     
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  12. Double Nought Spy

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    Heh, the old "I know this guy in counterintelligence, and he said..." Right up there with "Well the realtor said..." or "The car salesman told me..."

    I guess I'd buy a used motorbike from Lue, but maybe I shouldn't. More and more, I look at all this as a form of entertainment. Witness the recent dustup over Nick Pope's *ahem* embellished credentials. I can't take either famous Nick from the UK seriously anymore, but they do provide some farcical fun.

    Ufoology, like any other religion, needs no help when it comes to looking stupid.
     
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  13. nivek

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  14. Thomas R. Morrison

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    "Counterintelligence" doesn't mean what most people think it means. On its face, the word seems to mean something like "counter-knowledge," so people think it's synonymous with PsyOps and disinformation. But in reality the vast majority of counterintelligence jobs in the US involve things like anti-terrorism efforts, rooting out spies within our own government, and software programming efforts to combat the endless onslaught of attempts to hack our secure intelligence networks.

    So I don't think that Luis Elizondo can be or should be placed in the same category with the likes of Richard Doty. I see no indication that Elizondo is in any way involved with some shadowy covert project to deceive the public about UFOs/AAVs. I see plenty of indications, however, that the guy ditched a great career at the Pentagon in order to increase both public and government awareness of UAP, and that many powerful pro-UAP-secrecy insiders were seriously pissed off about it. In my view the man is a patriot and a hero, and I have never seen any credible evidence to suggest otherwise.
     
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  16. nivek

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    Here's a Luis Elizondo interview that was recorded November 19th and just published yesterday...

     
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    The main discussion begins at 17 minutes in.
     
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  19. nivek

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  20. Spaceman spiff

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    Does anyone expect anything else, really? Theyre not gonna share with us anything they dont absolutely have to.
     
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