Trump, What's up with This Dude?

[Shadowprophet]

Now that you mention it brother Dejan. This kind of slip up at such high levels of government kind of urges that the secret service be investigated. An investigation that publicly we will never hear about.. none the less, you make an excellent point..

 

[Dejan Corovic]

We have firearms and long rifle thread here. Anybody who ever done any hunting would call that an easy shot. I can't fathom how pro security people on a full salary could had not put their personal on that nearby roof. It almost looks as deliberate mistake.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Here is a video with better info:


View: https://youtu.be/UKHqxPNNxfA

 

[pigfarmer]

an easy shot

Agreed but don't think there was any conspiracy. With all the goddamned technology we depend on, and talk of 'they should have used drones' nobody thought to put somebody on that roof. The yokels from the local gun club would know enough to do that because they know what we do. I'd point out that was twice the distance JFK was shot at.

I've read a few things that say a local cop did actually heed the warnings about a man with a rifle and used a ladder to get up on that roof to be greeted by the sniper pointing his rifle at him. He retreated and heard the shots. Maybe the kid was rushed. Is that true? Who knows.

 

[pigfarmer]

I wondered about that. In this video


View: https://youtu.be/0PW3aBqjCgQ?si=DSKwjHKe53JDNuqJ&t=54


it looks like the counter-sniper opens fire even before Trump reacts. Was the gunman wounded before he had the chance to properly line up his shot?

I put this behind a spoiler because it's graphic. I have no idea if it's real or not but looks like it is. Things like this get out and then are sanitized immediately. My wife saw this last night.

Looks like they wounded him in the center of his skull blowing his teeth out which is probably what they train for - to instantly neutralize a target. The idea that a wounded sniper might continue shooting is why they do that. 130-150 yards should not present any difficulty.
The effective range the rifle the sniper used is generally about 400 yards if it's a standard 5.56 NATO. The accurized rifle the counter-sniper rifle could probably easily double that.

There are reports of a local deputy heeding the warnings about a man with a rifle who actually went up on that roof with a ladder and if true maybe it caused him to rush his shots. Hard to say what's true and what isn't at this point but that doesn't sound outrageous to me. We'll see.

Spoiler: graphic

 

[Shadowprophet]

I put this behind a spoiler because it's graphic. I have no idea if it's real or not but looks like it is. Things like this get out and then are sanitized immediately. My wife saw this last night.

Looks like they wounded him in the center of his skull blowing his teeth out which is probably what they train for - to instantly neutralize a target. The idea that a wounded sniper might continue shooting is why they do that. 130-150 yards should not present any difficulty.
The effective range the rifle the sniper used is generally about 400 yards if it's a standard 5.56 NATO. The accurized rifle the counter-sniper rifle could probably easily double that.

There are reports of a local deputy heeding the warnings about a man with a rifle who actually went up on that roof with a ladder and if true maybe it caused him to rush his shots. Hard to say what's true and what isn't at this point but that doesn't sound outrageous to me. We'll see.

Spoiler: graphic

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I looked behind the spoiler. I'm off to therapy now.....


Yikes , don't look .. it's worse than you think....

 

[pigfarmer]

I'm not a fan f that sort of thing but it does look real and appeared pretty fast, then disappeared equally fast.

Here's the story I mentioned. They are keeping the name of the officer secret for now, understandably.

Again, I can't speak to it's veracity but the USSS has said their perimeter ends at a certain point and the locals are responsible for anything else. Even at that common sense should've activated at some point but didn't. I then hear about DEI and like Boeing really wonder what the hell that's about.

There are a couple of things I'll put over in the Bright Insight - JFK Assassination thread.

Local cop confronted would-be Trump assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks on roof moments before he opened fire, but failed to stop him

 

[AD1184]

I put this behind a spoiler because it's graphic. I have no idea if it's real or not but looks like it is. Things like this get out and then are sanitized immediately. My wife saw this last night.

Looks like they wounded him in the center of his skull blowing his teeth out which is probably what they train for - to instantly neutralize a target. The idea that a wounded sniper might continue shooting is why they do that. 130-150 yards should not present any difficulty.
The effective range the rifle the sniper used is generally about 400 yards if it's a standard 5.56 NATO. The accurized rifle the counter-sniper rifle could probably easily double that.

There are reports of a local deputy heeding the warnings about a man with a rifle who actually went up on that roof with a ladder and if true maybe it caused him to rush his shots. Hard to say what's true and what isn't at this point but that doesn't sound outrageous to me. We'll see.

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When you click 'reply', the graphic image appears anyway within the quoted text.

I don't doubt the gunman was killed by a headshot. But that does not mean that it was the first or only wound he received.

I note that close-up photographs of the sniper team behind and to Trump's right, who appear to engage in the video before Trump is struck have "POLICE" emblazoned on their body armour, indicating that they are local police, and not the Secret Service snipers as seems to be commonly assumed in many news articles. This article that you linked to suggests that there were two local police sniper teams in addition to two Secret Service ones:

Local cop confronted would-be Trump assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks on roof moments before he opened fire, but failed to stop him

A local cop spotted attempted-assassin Thomas Crooks just moments before he tried to kill former president Donald Trump — but failed to stop the gunman despite the clear threat, according to a repo…

nypost.com

 

[nivek]

Sniper who holds world record for longest kill weighs in on Trump shooting with wild theory​

A veteran whose team holds the world record for longest confirmed sniper kill claims Donald Trump's shooter 'had help' as he weighed in on the assassination attempt of former president.

Dallas Alexander, who spent 14 years in a sniper team for the Canadian military doing close protection for major world leaders including the Canadian prime minister, suggested in a video that the 20-year-old who opened fire at the former president's rally Saturday night may have had help from the inside.

'I'm very familiar with the layout of these types of things and what the job should be, and yesterday what happened, I have no doubts in my mind that the shooter had help from somewhere within an agency, an organization or the government,' he said in a video posted to his Instagram and X account.

Authorities are still investigating however at this stage the FBI has said it appears as if the gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, acted alone.

Crooks laid down on the roof of a building just 130 yards from where Trump was speaking - in full view of his supporters as he fired towards the stage.

Alexander says he should not have been able to get that close.

(More on the link)

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Its plain as a day that you need to go into war with either Russia or China ASAP, otherwise you'll tear yourself apart.

 

[nivek]

View: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1812602944975782245


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[AD1184]

Sniper who holds world record for longest kill weighs in on Trump shooting with wild theory​

A veteran whose team holds the world record for longest confirmed sniper kill claims Donald Trump's shooter 'had help' as he weighed in on the assassination attempt of former president.

Dallas Alexander, who spent 14 years in a sniper team for the Canadian military doing close protection for major world leaders including the Canadian prime minister, suggested in a video that the 20-year-old who opened fire at the former president's rally Saturday night may have had help from the inside.

'I'm very familiar with the layout of these types of things and what the job should be, and yesterday what happened, I have no doubts in my mind that the shooter had help from somewhere within an agency, an organization or the government,' he said in a video posted to his Instagram and X account.

Authorities are still investigating however at this stage the FBI has said it appears as if the gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, acted alone.

Crooks laid down on the roof of a building just 130 yards from where Trump was speaking - in full view of his supporters as he fired towards the stage.

Alexander says he should not have been able to get that close.

(More on the link)

There's an interesting quote in that article, from one Joseph LaSorsa, former Secret Service agent: "[...] luckily he was a 20 year old and not a superior marksman. Luckily for all of us as a country that he was only 20.'" What was the average age of a sniper in the Second World War, I wonder? Is "only 20" too young to be able to hit a target at 150 yards? I think it is old enough to die in combat for your country according to the laws of most if not all free and democratic countries.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Sniper who holds world record for longest kill weighs in on Trump shooting with wild theory​

A veteran whose team holds the world record for longest confirmed sniper kill claims Donald Trump's shooter 'had help' as he weighed in on the assassination attempt of former president.

Dallas Alexander, who spent 14 years in a sniper team for the Canadian military doing close protection for major world leaders including the Canadian prime minister, suggested in a video that the 20-year-old who opened fire at the former president's rally Saturday night may have had help from the inside.

'I'm very familiar with the layout of these types of things and what the job should be, and yesterday what happened, I have no doubts in my mind that the shooter had help from somewhere within an agency, an organization or the government,' he said in a video posted to his Instagram and X account.

Authorities are still investigating however at this stage the FBI has said it appears as if the gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, acted alone.

Crooks laid down on the roof of a building just 130 yards from where Trump was speaking - in full view of his supporters as he fired towards the stage.

Alexander says he should not have been able to get that close.

(More on the link)

Zero chance it was a conspiracy. If it was a conspiracy sniper would plan for escape route. Contrary to that, once shots are fired, there is no escape rout from that roof. So, because he wasn't planning for escape he's some kind of lone wolf fanatic.

 

[AD1184]

View: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1812602944975782245

Elon Musk is infamous for having tantrums on the job and firing employees arbitrarily as a result, and yet he is whinging here about a lack of empathy.

 

[pigfarmer]

When you click 'reply', the graphic image appears anyway within the quoted text.

Never used the spoiler feature before that I can recall. At least I made the attempt to make viewing it optional.

 

[pigfarmer]

Sniper who holds world record for longest kill weighs in on Trump shooting with wild theory​

A veteran whose team holds the world record for longest confirmed sniper kill claims Donald Trump's shooter 'had help' as he weighed in on the assassination attempt of former president.

Dallas Alexander, who spent 14 years in a sniper team for the Canadian military doing close protection for major world leaders including the Canadian prime minister, suggested in a video that the 20-year-old who opened fire at the former president's rally Saturday night may have had help from the inside.

'I'm very familiar with the layout of these types of things and what the job should be, and yesterday what happened, I have no doubts in my mind that the shooter had help from somewhere within an agency, an organization or the government,' he said in a video posted to his Instagram and X account.

Authorities are still investigating however at this stage the FBI has said it appears as if the gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, acted alone.

Crooks laid down on the roof of a building just 130 yards from where Trump was speaking - in full view of his supporters as he fired towards the stage.

Alexander says he should not have been able to get that close.

(More on the link)

They're already starting. Nonsense. It was just what it looked like.

 

[pigfarmer]

There's an interesting quote in that article, from one Joseph LaSorsa, former Secret Service agent: "[...] luckily he was a 20 year old and not a superior marksman. Luckily for all of us as a country that he was only 20.'" What was the average age of a sniper in the Second World War, I wonder? Is "only 20" too young to be able to hit a target at 150 yards? I think it is old enough to die in combat for your country according to the laws of most if not all free and democratic countries.

No reason a 20 year old couldn't do that. Massad Ayoob wrote about his daughter ten year old taking an ibex at 110 yards with a 4" revolver. There are articles circulating from Crook's high school shooting team stating he tried to join and was so bad at it they didn't let him.

Lee Harvey Oswald was 24 when he died and had received actual marksmanship training from the Marine Corps , most likely on a standard 200 yard range when he was close to Crook's age. He knew what he was doing. Stephen Paddock was 64 when he killed 60 people in Las Vegas in 2017. He knew what he was doing too. One of the best pistol shots I have ever seen was a man well into his 70s who wore trifocals and had palsied hands and could barely walk - but he could consistently shoot a perfect clover leaf at 50 years with his trusty .45.

Beyond a certain point I don't think age is all that relevant, it's the training.

 

[AD1184]

No reason a 20 year old couldn't do that. Massad Ayoob wrote about his daughter ten year old taking an ibex at 110 yards with a 4" revolver. There are articles circulating from Crook's high school shooting team stating he tried to join and was so bad at it they didn't let him.

Lee Harvey Oswald was 24 when he died and had received actual marksmanship training from the Marine Corps , most likely on a standard 200 yard range when he was close to Crook's age. He knew what he was doing. Stephen Paddock was 64 when he killed 60 people in Las Vegas in 2017. He knew what he was doing too. One of the best pistol shots I have ever seen was a man well into his 70s who wore trifocals and had palsied hands and could barely walk - but he could consistently shoot a perfect clover leaf at 50 years with his trusty .45.

Beyond a certain point I don't think age is all that relevant, it's the training.

Yeah, I was meaning that it is more to do with not being a good shot, than being 'only 20'. Plenty of marksmen have been trained by the age of 20 in the history of war, and even recreational shooting.

 

[nivek]

Quite a few people I think are going to do what she is doing...


View: https://twitter.com/wildbarestepf/status/1812349004530983364


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[nivek]

Yeah, I was meaning that it is more to do with not being a good shot, than being 'only 20'. Plenty of marksmen have been trained by the age of 20 in the history of war, and even recreational shooting.

I wonder what he had the explosives for?...

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