UFO Images

[Todd Feinman]

Well, if debating a case that old was going to actually solve anything it would have by now.

BTW this is the enlargement I was talking about.
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Call me pisher but to a guy who had several mirrors that look virtually identical to that I spent years and bazillions of miles glancing over at all day, it looks like a truck mirror to me. That thing looks like the ball & socket mount you adjust the thing with. Sorry, can't help it. But, I am thankful we can have polite chit chat about this.

Just ran across an interesting term in a textbook while reading about the fascinating topic of feline urethral obstructions:

'..... is a diagnosis of exclusion, meaning that it is a diagnosis made after all diseases that might cause similar signs are ruled out'

Diagnosis of exclusion doesn't lend itself to describing an extraterrestrial presence. When you're using it to figure out why your cat howls when it pees that's one thing but ET is an order of magnitude different that would require some pretty specific evidence.

I agree, it certainly looks very much like a mirror, and some truck mirrors from the period do look similar. There are some possible differences though:
The right side of the object in the photo is angled straight, but the left side actually has what appear to be creases or ridges as if made of flexible material --perhaps this is the trailing edge of the object. If one were to draw lines along the top edge and bottom edge of the object they would intersect on the left side, some distance out. the top plane and bottom plane of the object are not parallel. There is the lack of a string that can be found even under close scrutiny, certainly he didn't toss the mirror up into the air. Also, the form is very similar to hundreds of other descriptions of saucers across time, some of which might also have resembled car mirrors. My long time work colleague tld me his parents --who knew the Trents (next door neighbors), said they were far to simple to have created such a hoax. But it does look like a mirror, and I understand why you believe it is.
The "diagnosis of exclusion" reminds me very much of the situation the military intelligence community is relying on to not have to discuss the possibility that the objects might be extraterrestrial; even if an unimaginably advanced surveillance device was found, with unknown technology and propulsion, you would still hear them say that there is no "proof' it is extraterrestrial.. This could go on for a long time with them. If it there are devices we cannot construct, and they have been with us in the past when we had no way to construct them, and they surpass our technology now, and, they are under intelligent control as can be observed, then "extraterrestrial" would be the least exotic of the possible explanations for it.




Here is the mirror from the Wikipedia article. If yoj look closely, this one is too smooth, and the joint is way too far off. Not the same.

McMinnville UFO photographs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But, I understand why you think it is a mirror! I suspect it isn't because of the above, and also my experience in 2010.

 

[pigfarmer]

Well, if we're talking details like that and mirrors that's an awfully thin bouncy limb to be out on. Could just be a matter of lighting, perspective. That truck's mirror looks like that but there were millions made of all flavors. Occam's razor says it's something prosaic.

Not so much anymore but in the 80s and 90s you could just walk into most auto parts stores and buy those things. I believe I've had to a few times because side mirrors on service trucks can lead short lives and if you just replace it and not tell your employer then nothing happened, right?

far to simple to have created such a hoax

Probably, likely even. I don't know those people but nothing I read made them sound any different than my family. Salt o' the earth types. And that's the reason I won't exclude a simple hoax that got out of hand. People do weird **** sometimes.

That one phrase I quoted - hoo boy careful with that one. I told an old war story here about a client who made a major, major stink and attracted a lot of high profile attention. I got stuck with it and after a couple days literally caught someone red handed doing the very thing that had everyone's underwear in a knot. Really, at the time this was a big deal. You know what caused it? Someone making repeated comments about how stupid this one particular woman was. Proven when confronted with undeniable evidence when they said 'she couldn't do that she's too stupid to pull it off'. Yuh huh.

 

[The shadow]

Alleged object shot down in Alaska.. star wars pic?

 

[michael59]

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Alleged object shot down in Alaska.. star wars pic?

I don't think so.

U.S. fighter jet shoots down object over Canada, Trudeau says​

WASHINGTON/OTTAWA, Feb 11 (Reuters) - A U.S. F-22 fighter jet shot down an unidentified object over Canada on Saturday, the second such shootdown in as many days, as North America appeared on heightened alert following a week-long Chinese spying balloon saga that drew the global spotlight.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the shootdown on Twitter and said it took place over the Yukon territory in the country's north. He said Canadian forces would recover and analyze the wreckage from the object.


Trudeau also said he had spoken with U.S. President Joe Biden about the incident, a day after Biden ordered a shootdown of an unidentified flying object over sea ice near Deadhorse, Alaska. The U.S. military on Saturday was still tight-lipped about what, if anything, it had learned as recovery efforts were underway.

Much more at the link below:

U.S. shoots down unidentified cylindrical object over Canada

The downing over the Yukon Territory was the second in as many days as North America appeared on higher alert following the China spy balloon. The U.S. offered no new details on the object shot down over Alaska.

www.reuters.com

 

[nivek]

The Canadian object is the third one now to be shot down, counting the Chinese balloon, the Alaskan object was the second object to be shot down...

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[wwkirk]

The Canadian object is the third one now to be shot down, counting the Chinese balloon, the Alaskan object was the second object to be shot down...

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Aggressive espionage. High tech surveillance, but utilizing a low tech platform. The balloons move so slowly they weren't initially detected. Very crafty.

 

[pigfarmer]

We're getting a taste of what we did to the Soviet Union years ago. Doesn't feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

Ironic that if you crack open something we made there are no doubt components that'll say 'Made in China' in them and probably theirs will say 'Made in USA'. Or, les sarcastically, will probably be identical copies of somebody else's whatzit.

This is provocation just like the military exercises designed to intimidate Taiwan.

 

[pigfarmer]

This thread got derailed. That's why I opened this one: US military shoots down 'object' flying in territorial waters over Alaska

 

[pigfarmer]

I agree, it certainly looks very much like a mirror, and some truck mirrors from the period do look similar. There are some possible differences though:
The right side of the object in the photo is angled straight, but the left side actually has what appear to be creases or ridges as if made of flexible material --perhaps this is the trailing edge of the object. If one were to draw lines along the top edge and bottom edge of the object they would intersect on the left side, some distance out. the top plane and bottom plane of the object are not parallel. There is the lack of a string that can be found even under close scrutiny, certainly he didn't toss the mirror up into the air. Also, the form is very similar to hundreds of other descriptions of saucers across time, some of which might also have resembled car mirrors. My long time work colleague tld me his parents --who knew the Trents (next door neighbors), said they were far to simple to have created such a hoax. But it does look like a mirror, and I understand why you believe it is.
The "diagnosis of exclusion" reminds me very much of the situation the military intelligence community is relying on to not have to discuss the possibility that the objects might be extraterrestrial; even if an unimaginably advanced surveillance device was found, with unknown technology and propulsion, you would still hear them say that there is no "proof' it is extraterrestrial.. This could go on for a long time with them. If it there are devices we cannot construct, and they have been with us in the past when we had no way to construct them, and they surpass our technology now, and, they are under intelligent control as can be observed, then "extraterrestrial" would be the least exotic of the possible explanations for it.


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Here is the mirror from the Wikipedia article. If yoj look closely, this one is too smooth, and the joint is way too far off. Not the same.

McMinnville UFO photographs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But, I understand why you think it is a mirror! I suspect it isn't because of the above, and also my experience in 2010.

There are other photos, beyond Hannah McRoberts that are damned intriguing. I just can't remember but there was a color photo of what looked like a sideways 'sits on a desk ring for service' bell, it was in the UK, very low and I recall the pic showed reflections of surroundings on its surface. Any ideas?

With all the fakery I am just cautious. An analogy is that the evidence has to reach a certain point if the topic is serious enough. Like the difference between civil and criminal court cases.

 

[Rick Hunter]

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Alleged object shot down in Alaska.. star wars pic?

That looks like the photos from the USS Trepang in 1971. Official story is that the sub was on a routine training mission near the Arctic Circle and the objects were balloons used as part of that mission. Of course, the Ufology answer is that the Trepang photographed UFOs emerging from the sea. Someone tracked down the captain of the sub, and he simply stated that he had never seen the photos or any mysterious objects and it was an uneventful mission as far as he remembers.

Arctic UFO Photographs, USS Trepang, SSN 674, March 1971 - The Black Vault Case Files

The following case was submitted by Investigator/Researcher Alex Mistretta, who can be contacted at: mistretta1020@gmail.com. He has graciously allowed the following photographs, and his research, to be archived here on The Black Vault for reference. Please add your comments and input in the...

www.theblackvault.com

 

[pigfarmer]

That looks like the photos from the USS Trepang in 1971. Official story is that the sub was on a routine training mission near the Arctic Circle and the objects were balloons used as part of that mission. Of course, the Ufology answer is that the Trepang photographed UFOs emerging from the sea. Someone tracked down the captain of the sub, and he simply stated that he had never seen the photos or any mysterious objects and it was an uneventful mission as far as he remembers.

Arctic UFO Photographs, USS Trepang, SSN 674, March 1971 - The Black Vault Case Files

The following case was submitted by Investigator/Researcher Alex Mistretta, who can be contacted at: mistretta1020@gmail.com. He has graciously allowed the following photographs, and his research, to be archived here on The Black Vault for reference. Please add your comments and input in the...

www.theblackvault.com

eeeee. anonymous source. why exactly would an admiral be aboard a SSN? I suppose one could but that seems odd.

 

[KL 123]

In 2010, Mr. Yu in Xi'an, China, used a camera he had just bought to take photos of two pyramid-shaped UFOs flying over the outskirts of the city. Mr Yu claimed that the two UFOs, one big and one small, eventually flew straight and fast away. The truth of this is doubtful because no one else saw the two UFOs, there is no other angle of these two UFO photos

 

[KL 123]

A Chinese netizen claimed that he saw a UFO at close range while driving through the Wumagang section of Sihui Avenue in Zhaoqing City at around 11pm on July 4, 2012. UFO is in the shape of a dish, and there are six lights under it. The reality is unknown.

 

[Rick Hunter]

eeeee. anonymous source. why exactly would an admiral be aboard a SSN? I suppose one could but that seems odd.

The story I originally read on the incident was not on The Black Vault and identified the commander of the sub as a captain, which would make sense. Given the severe consequences at the time for service members talking about UFOs, I can see why the witness didn't want to be identified. I'm not totally sold on this story, but it does have the ring of truth for me. The Trepang is not a vessel that anyone has ever heard of unless they served on it, and the captain confirmed that the vessel was taking part in exercises in the Arctic Circle at the time.

 

[pigfarmer]

That looks like the photos from the USS Trepang in 1971. Official story is that the sub was on a routine training mission near the Arctic Circle and the objects were balloons used as part of that mission. Of course, the Ufology answer is that the Trepang photographed UFOs emerging from the sea. Someone tracked down the captain of the sub, and he simply stated that he had never seen the photos or any mysterious objects and it was an uneventful mission as far as he remembers.

Arctic UFO Photographs, USS Trepang, SSN 674, March 1971 - The Black Vault Case Files

The following case was submitted by Investigator/Researcher Alex Mistretta, who can be contacted at: mistretta1020@gmail.com. He has graciously allowed the following photographs, and his research, to be archived here on The Black Vault for reference. Please add your comments and input in the...

www.theblackvault.com

Nothing out of the ordinary about USS Trepang and I don't know what to say except it sounds like a cool story that grew legs. Tell that to the sailors aboard Nimitz. Lacking some sort of concrete evidence it becomes another intriguing find that's hard to file away.

He comes the drum I like to bang. Check out USS Halibut. USS Halibut (SSGN-587) - Wikipedia
There is something very much out of the ordinary about that one. I believe they converted Seawolf and maybe two others - can't remember. No UFOs but the capabilities in evidence back then were amazing. Since then we have converted four of the big SSBN Ohio class missile submarines for special operations and like Fight Club the first rule is you don't talk about Fight Club. The ocean floor is accessible to us and has been quite a while. Did we blow up that Nordstream pipeline? Wouldn't doubt it, we certainly could.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

No evidence of a hoax was ever found in the Trent photos. a couple of prints off the negative had a line inserted to look like the object was suspended, but it is not in the original negatives. Just because something superficially resembles a rear view mirror doesn't mean that is what it is. The Trent object is also not bilaterally symmetrical. The same problems pertain to skeptics' debunking of the Heflin photos as a model train wheel --it's waaay to large for that --a simple analysis of the perspective shows that, and it doesn;t have the same proportions as model train wheels. Here is Evelyn Trent discussing the UFO that she and Paul saw (It tips on edge --before shooting off; a detail seen in other UFO saucer sightings too):

You'll remember that I saw five UFOs coming from the Trent farm airspace --on the 60th anniversary of that photo being taken --during the UFO festival of 2010.... They were later seen by others.

Here is an exhaustive account of the provenance of the photos:

View: https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/the-classic-mcminnville-ufo-photos-are-70-years-old-5af8c5cf3b11

Dr. Bruce Maccabee Research Website

I completely disagree. Heflin was a known prankster & was a model train enthusiast and had them in his basement. What are the odds that a guy that loves model trains is one of the only guys to snap a detailed, structured object that looks exactly like a train wheel (that he has a ton of in his house)? Plus he went overboard with his story about the photos being confiscated & then long after the fact gets a mysterious phone call that says "Look in your mailbox" and viola - his photos are back! Yeah, ok.

If Trent & Heflin's (a vehicle mirror & model train wheel) are real interstallar flying space ships from another planet/galaxy then it's a shame that they didn't have Powerball & Megamillions back then because they both would have won one of them.

Rex seems like a guy that would definitely not pull a prank & I can also see how the model train wheel is different then the flying saucer in his photo;

 

[Todd Feinman]

I think it's too big to be a model train wheel:

Rex Heflin Photographs (Santa Ana, California; 1965)

Hi folks, didn't see a dedicated thread for the Heflin photos yet. Here is another analysis of them, PDF download: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.6587&rep=rep1&type=pdf They like to isolate folks on roads; they have control, and observed thinks it has safety and...

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To me, it looks like an object at distance.

Here is an analysis of the photos:

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.6587&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Here is Rex:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzVgrCCVpH0&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unexplained-mysteries.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title

 

[pigfarmer]

First of all, is that guy Adam Schiff's uncle or something?

Second - what the hell is that UK sideays bell with the reflection of the chimney on it ?

There are other pics out there with a bit less controversy and no apparent explanation

 

[Rick Hunter]

As I remember, the sideways bell happened in Australia. I think there is a picture of it on this site.

 

[Todd Feinman]

As I remember, the sideways bell happened in Australia. I think there is a picture of it on this site.

Yes, the Balwyn UFO picture:

balwyn ufo - Google Search

Does look like a old bell --but is it?
Australia has always been swarming with UFOs --even back in "airship" days. When I went through all the newspaper databases with a fine comb, I found huge treasure in the TROVE database