UFOs: skeptics, disclosure, and contact

Todd Feinman

Todd Feinman

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Spaceman spiff

Spaceman spiff

Noble
I just saw Mick West on tv talking about this guy and one thing he said really made me chuckle. "Maybe it was chinese or russian tech recovered a long time ago, that some people mistook for alien tech inside the programs."

Uh-huh. If we have people who are that fucking dumb, inside the leading western free superpower, were in trouble.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Hopefully nobody else will be partnering with TTSA, humping books, shares of stocks and all that garbage
 
wwkirk

wwkirk

Divine
Todd Feinman said:
They're kinda choking on it over at Metachunk....
www.metabunk.org

David Grusch, Whistleblower, Claims U.S. Has Retrieved Craft and Bodies of Non-Human Origin

Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal - June 5, 2023 A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft...
www.metabunk.org www.metabunk.org

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More outlets are starting to carry the story.
www.foxnews.com

Military whistleblower goes public with claims US has secret UFO retrieval program: ‘Terrestrial arms race’

Air Force veteran-turned-whistleblower says secret U.S. military program has retrieved crafts of "non-human origin" for decades, encounters "dead pilots."
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Spaceman spiff said:
I just saw Mick West on tv talking about this guy and one thing he said really made me chuckle. "Maybe it was chinese or russian tech recovered a long time ago, that some people mistook for alien tech inside the programs."

Uh-huh. If we have people who are that fucking dumb, inside the leading western free superpower, were in trouble.
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I don't get how he can even have a grain of credibility.
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below

Military whistleblower says US has recovered 'dead pilots' from craft of 'non-human origin' and that world powers are involved in an 'arms-race' to reverse engineer crashed UFOs​

The former intelligence officer who claims the US government has recovered multiple UFOs of 'non-human origin' has also claimed that dead pilots have been retrieved from wreckages.

David Charles Grusch, an Air Force veteran and former member of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, said the US and other nations are engaged in a top-secret arms race to 'reverse-engineer' alien technology.

He made the extraordinary claims in media interviews this week, after filing a whistleblower complaint providing what he calls classified 'proof' to Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General.

Grusch, 36, said that in addition to recovering partial and intact extraterrestrial craft for decades, the US government has also retrieved the remains of alien pilots.

'Naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed. Sometimes you encounter dead pilots and believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it's true,' he told NewsNation.

(More on the link)

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Rick Hunter

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I'm enjoying all this, but ultimately none of these people are different than any of the many other whistleblowers we've had over the years. And I do believe many of them were being truthful, but not sure how far they are actually moving us towards any sort of paradigm shift.
 
Todd Feinman

Todd Feinman

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Rick Hunter said:
I'm enjoying all this, but ultimately none of these people are different than any of the many other whistleblowers we've had over the years. And I do believe many of them were being truthful, but not sure how far they are actually moving us towards any sort of paradigm shift.
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I agree, I think it would take showing the public the items they have and coming clean about everything they know for things to really change. Sounds like some folks could go to jail over this, but they can fall back on "protecting national security" etc., etc. It is possible that they could be forced to reveal things.
 
Rick Hunter

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I think that at least since the 1980's there has been an unofficial shift in governmental attitudes towards whistleblowers. I've seen no evidence that anyone faces prosecution, intimidation, revoked security clearance, job loss, or other consequences for talking about UFO secrets. Contrast that to the 1950's and 60's when there were plenty of instances of witnesses being intimidated by government agent MIBs. If nothing else, they probably figure that if they really did prosecute someone it would de facto validate their claims. I really don't see Robert Dean or the Rendlesham witnesses talking openly and writing books back then like they have done in recent times.
 
Todd Feinman

Todd Feinman

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I think back in the day with the MIBs etc. witnesses and other folks were threatened, etc. because the CIA was concerned that it would cause a panic; over time they realized that that was not going to happen, so tactics changed. There were enough fringe loonies on board the UFO movement that it was easily ridiculed. And many people just aren't interested or afraid of the phenomenon and don't want to know about it.
 
Todd Feinman

Todd Feinman

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I have kind of an evil motive for wanting everything to come out; I want the noisy arrogant skeptics to get their just deserts. Me, you and many others know they are real. Folks at Metabunk and elsewhere refuse to see the forest for the trees; by focusing on the silly blurry videos spoon-fed by the military to come to conclusions about the phenomenon, while stubbornly refusing to listen to or give credence to countless witnesses over decades. Their end is inevitable and predictable, as they have bolted the blinders firmly to their heads.
 
Spaceman spiff

Spaceman spiff

Noble
Todd Feinman said:
I have kind of an evil motive for wanting everything to come out; I want the noisy arrogant skeptics to get their just deserts. Me, you and many others know they are real. Folks at Metabunk and elsewhere refuse to see the forest for the trees; by focusing on the silly blurry videos spoon-fed by the military to come to conclusions about the phenomenon, while stubbornly refusing to listen to or give credence to countless witnesses over decades. Their end is inevitable and predictable, as they have bolted the blinders firmly to their heads.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDk6hAUTR7A
 
Spaceman spiff

Spaceman spiff

Noble
Have to agree with John, there are some red flags. But at the same time, he apparently could be facing jailtime if he lied to the IG or Congress. He could still have been misled. But a disinfo at this level and going that long is another brewing scandal by itself.
 
1963

1963

Noble
This latest whistleblower story and the lack of established-media interest in what could just be the most explosive revelation of all time is even highlighted in this [possibly greatest public american] inaugural Tweet-show by the great Tucker Carlson... [about 6mins and 50 secs in]


View: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1666203439146172419?s=20


... is the apparent apathetical reaction from the mainstream outlets indicative of general disbelief... or could it be a clear sign of the colossal reach of the all powerful stealth-bureaux ?

Cheers.
 
Sheltie

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
1963 said:
This latest whistleblower story and the lack of established-media interest in what could just be the most explosive revelation of all time is even highlighted in this [possibly greatest public american] inaugural Tweet-show by the great Tucker Carlson... [about 6mins and 50 secs in]


View: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1666203439146172419?s=20


... is the apparent apathetical reaction from the mainstream outlets indicative of general disbelief... or could it be a clear sign of the colossal reach of the all powerful stealth-bureaux ?

Cheers.
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Yes, I too am shocked at how little attention this interview attracted from the mainstream media amid the usual churn of mindless BS that is being cranked out nowadays. I believe we will see true disclosure in our lifetimes.
 
Todd Feinman

Todd Feinman

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I think Mick West is starting to finally believe UFOs are real. He'll come over to the reality pretty soon...
 
Todd Feinman

Todd Feinman

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I like the support Grusch is getting:

"Jonathan Grey, a current US intelligence official at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (Nasic), confirmed the existence of “exotic materials” to the Debrief, adding: “We are not alone.”
www.theguardian.com

US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

Whistleblower former intelligence official says government possesses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

"Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.”


The upcoming hearings should be very interesting indeed, now...
 
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