UFOs: skeptics, disclosure, and contact

[wwkirk]

I think Mick West is starting to finally believe UFOs are real. He'll come over to the reality pretty soon...

I have no idea about that. But for the past several years I've felt that serious UFO skeptics need to come up with a robust explanation for why the government (including the military) is demonstrating such increased interest in them. The lack of such an account is tantamount to an elephant in the room. Do they think the military and government are a bunch of dummies, expending considerable effort looking into things that can be easily explained away?

It's possible that they privately harbor conspiratorial suspicions about government motives, but dare not express them else they wind up among those guys, i.e, the conspiracy nuts.

 

[Todd Feinman]

"Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.”

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[Todd Feinman]

With a little luck skeptics will be singing this song

View: https://youtu.be/BLuHCvFY4_o?t=4

View: https://youtu.be/BLuHCvFY4_o?t=3

 

[Todd Feinman]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SCmsK7-k6mI

 

[Dejan Corovic]

DOD's spokesperson denies Grouch:

Pentagon denies secret UFO retrieval program after whistleblower bombshell

A Pentagon official denied an Air Force veteran's assertion that the government has a secret program that has been retrieving "non-human origin" crafts and sometimes encounters "dead pilots."

www.foxnews.com

What is needed is a legislation that will charge with treason anybody hiding information about UFOs. Not just legislation protecting whistle blowers.

 

[Rick Hunter]

Yes, I too am shocked at how little attention this interview attracted from the mainstream media amid the usual churn of mindless BS that is being cranked out nowadays. I believe we will see true disclosure in our lifetimes.

The news industry publishes what they think is going to generate revenue, largely negative shit to keep people watching. I quit drinking from that sewer pipe a few years ago and my life is alot better for it.

 

[Rick Hunter]

DOD's spokesperson denies Grouch:

Pentagon denies secret UFO retrieval program after whistleblower bombshell

A Pentagon official denied an Air Force veteran's assertion that the government has a secret program that has been retrieving "non-human origin" crafts and sometimes encounters "dead pilots."

www.foxnews.com

Swamp gas, swamp gas, nananana, we can't hear you!

 

[Todd Feinman]

DOD's spokesperson denies Grouch:

Pentagon denies secret UFO retrieval program after whistleblower bombshell

A Pentagon official denied an Air Force veteran's assertion that the government has a secret program that has been retrieving "non-human origin" crafts and sometimes encounters "dead pilots."

www.foxnews.com

What is needed is a legislation that will charge with treason anybody hiding information about UFOs. Not just legislation protecting whistle blowers.

They won't release clear videos for national security reasons, so they sure as heck aren't going to admit to something far more damning unless forced to do so.

 

[Todd Feinman]

Even if they had developed a secret craft --something like the TR3B, they would deny it if asked about it, and UFOs are far more serious than something like that. Gough also denied many of Elizondo's claims, iirc.

 

[Todd Feinman]

New. Or not.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSj7QsHRxHQ

 

[Dejan Corovic]

They won't release clear videos for national security reasons, so they sure as heck aren't going to admit to something far more damning unless forced to do so.

I think "national security" is a bit overused and it needs to be considered in an all encompasing context. There are several reasons for that.

1. - to have advanced technology a country needs a very advanced industrial infrastructure, irrelevant from weather technology is secret or not. A good example is that no matter what they do China can't have 5 nm chips, because they are too advanced for them.

2. - if you don't have GDP that's big enough, you can't have what it takes even if you can partially make it. What I mean, Russia has 15 somewhat stealthy fighters, while NATO has a total of 1,500. Now, can 15 so-so healthy fighter planes stop 1,500 fighter planes? OK, one can throw in China, but China and Russia are not allies and they still don't tally up together to 1,500 stealth fighters.

But on the other side of the equation is economic development of the nation. If UFOs were reverse engineered, for argument sake back in 60s, and made available to civilian sector, US GDP and living standard would be at least 100% higher than they are today. Not to mention that US and other developed nations would have commercially affordable way to stop global warming, begin mining asteroids, colonising Mars, begin beaming cheap solar energy from Earth's orbit, etc. etc. Economic benefits of reverse engineering anti-gravity tech are enormous and I completely agree with Dr. Greer in that.

That's why I say that hiding UFO information is an act of national treason. It is equivalent to grievous bodily harm of one's own economy.

 

[Spaceman spiff]

If they have bodies, wouldn't they be able to release one of those? I don't get how alien biology would be a national security threat, I doubt China or Russia can use it. Unless they have some sort of diseases, or you could make a bioweapon out of their biology or something.

 

[Spaceman spiff]

DOD's spokesperson denies Grouch:

Pentagon denies secret UFO retrieval program after whistleblower bombshell

A Pentagon official denied an Air Force veteran's assertion that the government has a secret program that has been retrieving "non-human origin" crafts and sometimes encounters "dead pilots."

www.foxnews.com

What is needed is a legislation that will charge with treason anybody hiding information about UFOs. Not just legislation protecting whistle blowers.

That denial is weasel wording. Of course AARO to the date has no evidence, they have only been up for what, a little over a year? Some of the funding is still up in the air, and apparently Kirkpatrick lacks the proper clearances and authorization to do the job he was given optimally. It seems someone is handicapping this effort, and you can only ask why, if they truly have nothing to hide? Even if this is all about clearing foreign threats, the fact that they are gutting their own man makes no sense whatsoever, unless there is something they don't want the congress to know. This thing stinks.

 

[Todd Feinman]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64B6r6HsL58

 

[1963]

... and so the big top is in full swing.

Cheers.

 

[nivek]

Las Vegas police officer's bodycam captures 'UFO in the night sky' after residents reported '10ft aliens with large shiny eyes'​

Police bodycam footage has captured a suspected UFO sighting in Las Vegas after residents reported seeing '10ft aliens with large shiny eyes.'

A Vegas officer’s camera picked up the object at about 11:50 pm on April 30 after a resident reported something '100 percent not human' on their property, local TV channel 8 News Now reported.

The footage shows a bright blue ball of light travelling through the dark sky at speed.

Approximately 39 minutes after the first call, another resident contacted 911, saying that there were two unknown entities in his backyard after he saw an object fall from the sky.

'There’s like an 8-foot person beside it and another one is inside us [sic] and it has big eyes and it’s looking at us — and it’s still there,' the homeowner told police in audio obtained by the TV channel.

'In my backyard. I swear to God this is not a joke, this is actually — we’re terrified,' the caller claimed.

'They’re very large. They’re like 8 foot, 9 feet, 10 foot. They look like aliens to us. Big eyes. They have big eyes. Like, I can’t explain it. And big mouth. They’re shiny eyes and they’re not human. They’re 100 percent not human,' he claimed.

The responding officers expressed their trepidation at the odd events.

'I’m so nervous right now,' one officer can be heard telling his partner.

'I have butterflies, bro — saw a shooting star and now these people say there’s aliens in their backyard.'

'I don’t believe in it but what I saw right now, I do believe in it,' one of the reported witnesses said to police.

(More on the link)

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[Todd Feinman]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EJS13MIck8

 

[1963]

Las Vegas police officer's bodycam captures 'UFO in the night sky' after residents reported '10ft aliens with large shiny eyes'​

Police bodycam footage has captured a suspected UFO sighting in Las Vegas after residents reported seeing '10ft aliens with large shiny eyes.'

A Vegas officer’s camera picked up the object at about 11:50 pm on April 30 after a resident reported something '100 percent not human' on their property, local TV channel 8 News Now reported.

The footage shows a bright blue ball of light travelling through the dark sky at speed.

Approximately 39 minutes after the first call, another resident contacted 911, saying that there were two unknown entities in his backyard after he saw an object fall from the sky.

'There’s like an 8-foot person beside it and another one is inside us [sic] and it has big eyes and it’s looking at us — and it’s still there,' the homeowner told police in audio obtained by the TV channel.

'In my backyard. I swear to God this is not a joke, this is actually — we’re terrified,' the caller claimed.

'They’re very large. They’re like 8 foot, 9 feet, 10 foot. They look like aliens to us. Big eyes. They have big eyes. Like, I can’t explain it. And big mouth. They’re shiny eyes and they’re not human. They’re 100 percent not human,' he claimed.

The responding officers expressed their trepidation at the odd events.

'I’m so nervous right now,' one officer can be heard telling his partner.

'I have butterflies, bro — saw a shooting star and now these people say there’s aliens in their backyard.'

'I don’t believe in it but what I saw right now, I do believe in it,' one of the reported witnesses said to police.

(More on the link)

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Hi Nivek, hope you're well my friend. .... Interesting story, and would be all the more fascinating if there were more meat on the bone [so to speak] ... like why weren't we allowed to see the size of this back yard in order to visualise just what kind of UFO carrying giant crew members could accommodate ? ... they're answer that it's because they've no right to show private property is [for obvious reasons] surely bunkum! .... Secondly, they repeatedly stated that other neighbours also witnessed the event... why didn't we hear from them? ... Thirdly, why weren't we shown any [cctv] security footage from either the family or the neighbours cameras [we all have them nowadays] ?... and then there's the fact that the more that I look at the 'bodycam UFO' ... the more convinced I am that it could be no more anomalous than a glimpse of a helicopter flying over the traffic. ... and lastly , it is clearly stated that.....
"A Vegas officer’s camera picked up the object at about 11:50 p.m. on April 30, and, according to the American Meteor Society, its flash was seen as far as Utah and California.".... why has it taken so long for this to be posted?




Cheers Buddy

 

[pigfarmer]

fascinating if there were more meat on the bone

One of the comments I heard out of the congressional hearings was exactly that: many of these encounters come and go and leave little or no evidence beyond eyewitness testimony.

 

[pigfarmer]

That denial is weasel wording. Of course AARO to the date has no evidence, they have only been up for what, a little over a year? Some of the funding is still up in the air, and apparently Kirkpatrick lacks the proper clearances and authorization to do the job he was given optimally. It seems someone is handicapping this effort, and you can only ask why, if they truly have nothing to hide? Even if this is all about clearing foreign threats, the fact that they are gutting their own man makes no sense whatsoever, unless there is something they don't want the congress to know. This thing stinks.

'no verifiable information to substantiate the claims.'

Splitting hairs there. It doesn't mean they don't have the goodies, only that the claims they do can't be verified. True enough at the moment although it does seem to cast some doubt on AARO's actual reach.