Wars & Rumours of Wars

Discussion in 'Present & Current Events' started by Toroid, May 15, 2019.

  1. Dejan Corovic

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    Chris Cappy had again done very good attempt to remove fog of war.


     
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  2. AD1184

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    I appreciate the military analysis. Not so much the geopolitical one.
     
  3. Dejan Corovic

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    Yeah, he's media guy he's afraid of loosing YT subscribers. As well, he's ex. marine, so he knows military stuff from inside.

    But he ( meekly ) rises two very good points: are we going to defend free speech by censorship? Its actually discussing how quickly media types are prepared to muzzle other media.

    And the second: How can one make informed decisions if media is full of heavily biased and filtered hype? I personally want to know what is real, not what is politically correct for me to think.
     
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  4. AD1184

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    He's quite right about Big Tech and media censorship, and also about the pro-Ukrainian bias, when at least some elements of the press should remain impartial in the conflict and give a broader picture of what is going on. The BBC remained strictly impartial during the Falklands War, for heaven's sake, when Britain was one of the belligerents. Now that there is a war between two foreign powers, the BBC is nakedly partial to one side. Aside from the matter of bias, mainstream media coverage of the war, as it is about most topics now, is presented as a series of 'human interest' stories where they focus on the effects of the war on individuals. Or they go onto the streets of a Ukrainian city and ask the people what they think about the war in vox pop segments. There is not a lot of detailed coverage about what is actually going on militarily.

    I think that Russia is wrong to prosecute this war, I think that the Russian state is a miserable despotism ruled by the sinister tyrant Putin, and I hope that Ukraine is able to prevail, but I do not like the strength of passion that is being whipped up around the western world over it. That strength of feeling and the amount of materiel and other support that we are giving to Ukraine shows the conflict in a different light: that this is a proxy war that Ukraine is fighting against Russia on our behalf. Any sober assessment of Ukraine's chances, the advance of Russia's military campaign, any questioning of the lengths to which we are going for the sake of this war, or a discussion of the western role in creating the conditions in which conflict might arise can lead to you being accused of being a mouthpiece for the Kremlin.
     
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  5. Dejan Corovic

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    War in Ukraine wreaked a chaos across the world.

    There are hundreds of thousands of decision makers whose industries and businesses had been heavily affected by this war. Its well known that major commodities, including food, had been drastically affected. Additionally, Loyd's insurance market will be completely wrecked with a flood of insurance claims from airlines whose passenger planes had been grounded by Russia. All these business people need to have reliable information in order to minimise the damage to their businesses and ultimately livelihood of their employees. That's why media needs to be more level headed and turn the hype down. But that's wishful thinking, because wars are boom time for advertising revenue.
     
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    Chris Cappy in his above video claims, at 3:44, that Russian soldiers captured a small number of various NATO anti-tank munitions. He even claims that Russians are using these captured munitions against Ukrainian armour. The original Swedish manufacturer claims that these weapons can today destroy any modern tank in the world with top down attack.

    I wonder if any of those will reach China who can easily reverse engineer them. Russia is certainly not sophisticated enough with electronics, so its unlikely able to copy them. Anyway, a new development.

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  7. nivek

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    On the same subject of war but of historical reference now...

     
  8. pigfarmer

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  9. pigfarmer

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    If you have a **** you get a free rifle. Or something like that .....

    On that note, of what actual use in a fight would anyone be who really, really just wants out?
    Don't they give woman rifles? If not why not ?

    Ukraine: Transgender Women Weep As Authorities Classify Them As ‘men’ Who Must Stay And Fight

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    In what has become a controversial move by Ukrainian authorities, Transgender women are being denied from leaving the country because their passport indicates they are men and not women, MyNewsGh.com has culled from VICE.

    Transgender people are  women who changed their gender to men or men who changed their gender to women and have backing documentations that identifies them as such.

    In Africa, persons like Ohe Martins and Nigerian cross dresser Bob Risky come to mind– in both cases, being men who identify as women.

    Transgender women in Ukraine say they are “totally stuck” and “scared for their lives” in the country because their passport states that they are “men” and not women.

    Two Ukrainian trans women said they can’t leave Ukraine or even safely travel through it because all of their identification documents say “male” and mention their “old masculine names”.

    Some trans people have even been advised to “lose their ID” by human rights groups, in order to get out of Ukraine. Trans campaigners estimate this issue is leading to “hundreds” of trans people in Ukraine being left in “serious danger” and feeling “completely alone”.

    One trans woman said she is “terrified” of being stopped trying to leave Ukraine, and being forced to join the Ukrainian army “as a man” – especially because authorities are stopping men aged 18 to 60 from leaving. Another Ukrainian trans woman is too scared to leave her accommodation in fear of transphobic attacks. She’s the only person left in her neighborhood.

    One trans man, who transitioned over six years ago and has lived as a man in Ukraine since, only has an ID showing “female”. He told VICE World News about his fears of leaving his house and trying to make it across Ukraine. During a phone call, screaming and explosions were heard coming from outside his accommodation, but he still refused to leave because of his ID issue.


    A non-binary Ukrainian person explained their fears of leaving Ukraine and heading to “places like Poland or Hungary” where their identity is “ridiculed” and not recognised. “I need to choose between my own country – that I have learned how to navigate –or a totally foreign place where I could feel even more excluded and in danger,” they added.

    Source: MyNewsGh.com Additional filed from VICE World @ Vice.com
     
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  10. Rick Hunter

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    Agree totally that, if someone isn't willing to fight for whatever reason, then they are probably not going to do any good and just be another mouth to feed. How about, instead of gender, just decide about who stays and who goes based on things like physical health, dependents, willingness to fight, military experience, and so on? Things which are way more relevant on the battlefield anyway.
     
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  11. AD1184

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    I think women are given rifles if they volunteer. Men are conscripted.
     
  12. pigfarmer

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    Yeah, well. Right now I feel like volunteering. Dangerous old ****er with skills and anger issues
     
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    I've concluded this is not a war, but not because the Russians refuse to call it that - Fact is it's beginning to appear more like a good old fashioned 'genocide' against the Ukrainian people. And talk about 'nazification' as Pukin {sic} calls it, he like Stalin in years past, are following the Nazi way - Totally destroy your enemy.
    Pukin is already rivaling Stalin in his desire to destroy Ukraine and may soon be coming into recognition as the most
    evil leader of the 21st Century.
    So you can see why people are trying to escape from their country - Rumors have it that the Russians are now deporting Ukrainians to Siberia.
     
  14. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    Someone in his own circle may put an end to him.
     
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  16. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    They are suffering from frost bite and fuel supply as well not to mention what the sanctions has done to Russia as well.
     
  17. Rick Hunter

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    Every day I pray for the ordinary people of both Ukraine and Russia, since they are the ones paying the price for all this.
     
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  18. AD1184

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    There's a report on some interesting poll results from Canada here:

    The Covid-cautious are hungriest for war

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    Respondents were asked how many vaccine doses they have had, and also whether they supported the creation of a NATO no-fly zone over Ukraine. There is an interesting correlation between the number of vaccine doses and enthusiasm for escalation of the conflict in Ukraine.

    It has seemed that those who are most enthusiastic for greater western involvement in the Ukraine-Russia war are those who are most enthusiastic for maintaining strict Covid regulations.

    This is interesting, because we were told that the rationale for Covid regulations was that there were for the sake of public health, that is, we had to suspend our liberties in order to mitigate public health risks. We are told by largely the same group that we must now support Ukraine with greater western backing, to the extent of getting directly involved in the fighting on the side of Ukraine.

    There are problems with this rationale in light of recent pandemic regulations. We were asked to sacrifice our own liberty for the sake of averting risk during the pandemic. But we are also now asked to risk our nations' very existences for the preservation of Ukraine's liberty. Further, having nuclear weapons fall on western countries would have grave consequences for public health, far more so than Covid. Therefore, public health is merely a tool used by western establishments for other political aims, and clearly not a goal in itself. Its importance can be played up and played down, depending on whatever their immediate political objectives are. They can pretend to be risk averse when it affords them the opportunity to exert control, and they can also be reckless when that suits their foreign policy goals.
     
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  19. Dejan Corovic

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    An awesome survey!

    I think that its to do with education.

    Educated people believe in science, so they support COVID vaccination. As well educated people are interested in outside world, so they care what happens in other countries. Contrary to that dumbos are ignorant so they can't figure out what science is about, so they are against vaccines. As well, dumbos barely could take care of themselves, so they are not interested what's happening in the outside world.

    This difference in attitudes can be easily verified if one goes to CNN vs Fox News. CNN has international section, while Fox New has absolutely no news from outside of US ( or maybe once in a blue moon ). So educated Americans follow sites like CNN, Washington Post, New York Times etc., and less educated ones follow sites like Fox News. I noticed this long time ago. Fox News is 1/2 about verbal duels between politicians, and other 1/2 bimbos showing skin.
     
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  20. AD1184

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    The trouble with this explanation is that the desire for a no-fly zone is not an educated position, it is a profoundly ignorant one.
     

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