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Biden official corrects record after claims Chinese spy balloons traveled over US during Trump admin

Trump and his top defense and national security officials told Fox News Digital it never happened, and that they were never briefed on any Chinese spy balloons.

Information suggesting that Chinese spy balloons traveled over the continental United States during the Trump administration was "discovered after" former President Trump left office, a senior administration official told Fox News.


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Biden official corrects record after claims Chinese spy balloons traveled over US during Trump admin

Trump and his top defense and national security officials told Fox News Digital it never happened, and that they were never briefed on any Chinese spy balloons.

Information suggesting that Chinese spy balloons traveled over the continental United States during the Trump administration was "discovered after" former President Trump left office, a senior administration official told Fox News.


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That's right, take whatever it is and insert Trump's name as a scapegoat, applicable or not.

Earthquake in Turkey kills hundreds - Trump's fault
Kilauea volcano erupted - Trump's fault

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pigfarmer

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This was an interesting take, slightly less hysterical than most. It does not paint China as the monolithic highly coordinated machine that the rest of the media does. They're as human as we are and in huge organizations there are always refuges for the, shall we say, less than fully dedicated.

Interesting that in the last big Asian war we had we seriously underestimated our opponent as backward and incapable based on racial prejudice. We seem to be seriously overestimating our Asian opponents again, the way we did the Russkies before they stepped on their own *** invading our money-laundering operation a.k.a Ukraine.

To me this balloon seems a challenge, a provocation. The article suggested that it may not have been the intention of the government, that maybe it was done under other circumstances. Sounds human enough to be possible.

Balloon saga deflates efforts to mend US-China relations

Balloon saga deflates efforts to mend US-China relations

By Stephen McDonell​

China correspondent

As the balloon crashed into the sea so did attempts to mend China-US relations.
You can track the trajectory of China's response to its balloon just as the Pentagon was tracking the trajectory of a high-altitude piece of equipment destined to be blown out of the sky.
We're investigating; we regret that it is our weather balloon blown off course; we think US politicians and media are hyping this up; everyone stay calm; the US attack on this airship is a serious violation of international practice.
With Antony Blinken - the US's top diplomat - scheduled to visit China this week, Beijing had initially tried to reassure Washington this had all been an accident.
But once it became clear that the secretary of state wasn't coming, and that the balloon was not coming back either, the gloves were off.
It is a long way from where the Chinese government wanted things to be at this moment.

The US Secretary of State was supposed to be here building bridges or at least trying to stop those that still exist from being destroyed.


Make no mistake. Chinese President Xi Jinping had great hopes for this visit and was, reportedly, even going to meet Mr Blinken himself.
So what balloon-gathered intelligence could be so good that it was worth scuppering this process?
The short answer is none. Which is why many analysts think that, even if it was to some extent spying, the deployment of this balloon, in this way, at this time, had to have been an error on the Chinese side.
And, if that is the case, somebody is getting hauled over the coals for it, especially given that there are now two of these high-altitude balloons in play, with another floating above Latin America. There has been no word whether it too is supposed to have been blown wildly off course, given its "limited self-steering capability".
Internationally, many seem to imagine that China's Communist Party is an all-knowing, locked in, organ of power - something along the lines of a giant, efficient, supercomputer with Xi Jinping toggling the controls.

It is a massive, sprawling organisation, that is certain. However, it is also made up of departments and power blocks competing for influence, at times hoarding information and even deliberately not foreshadowing their actions lest a rival gain some unwanted advantage.
When a clearly visible, equipment-carrying balloon started floating close to US nuclear missile siloes, the assumption from some had been not only that it was spying but that it must have been sent as a message to the Biden administration.
Antony Blinken
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Antony Blinken was expected in China on 5 and 6 February
But when you consider the damage it has done in terms of derailing a visit that the Chinese government, right up to the very top, wanted to happen, it is hard to see how this analysis stacks up.
We know that the Blinken trip was important here because we saw how Beijing tried to save it using quite conciliatory language.
"The Chinese side regrets the unintended entry of the airship into US airspace due to force majeure," a foreign ministry spokesperson was quoted as saying.
The extent to which it was deployed to study the weather or spy doesn't really matter in terms of understanding how crushing this incident has been for those on both sides who have been looking for ways to ease US-China tensions.

An enormous breakthrough was not expected from Mr Blinken's meetings in Beijing. The meetings themselves were to be the breakthrough.
They would have spoken about moves towards a set of "guard rails", means of communication and lines not to cross in an attempt to prevent a drift towards armed conflict.
President Xi also wanted it because he's looking for some big signs back at home that his administration knows what it is doing when it comes to steering China into the future.
Graphic of high altitude balloon, showing helium filled balloon, solar panels and instruments bay which can include cameras, radar and communications equipment. They can fly at heights of 80,000ft-120,000ft, higher than fighter jets and commercial aircraft

A sudden and embarrassing retreat from the zero-Covid approach came just months after China's leader had declared at the Party Congress that there would be no swerving from it.
Then the speed of the about-face led to overcrowded hospital emergency rooms, medicine shortages and an unknown Covid death toll.
The government now needs to put all this behind it and encourage an image of a China which is turning around economically and opening up again.
A high-level US visit would have been quite useful in this regard.
Examine the protestations from the major superpowers this week.
Washington has said this was a "clear violation of US sovereignty" but we all know that it has plenty of its own very sophisticated means of spying on China.
Beijing has condemned this US "attack on a civilian unmanned airship" but we all know that if a US surveillance balloon flew into Chinese airspace the People's Liberation Army would have it down in no time.
In a way, this means that the outrage from both sides contains a fair bit of theatre.
The upside is that, now the balloon is no more, they will be able to move on from it and reschedule a Beijing visit by Mr Blinken at a time when people are asking each other, "hey do you remember that whole balloon thing?".

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Taliban fighters moan about 'having to be in the office from 8 till 4', their daily commute and how dull life is since taking over Afghanistan and becoming civil servants, with many admitting 'I miss jihad'

It is less than 18 months since jubilant Taliban fighters swept back to power and overran Afghanistan's capital as Joe Biden withdrew his troops in a retreat that shook the world.

But it seems the exhilaration of seizing control of the war-torn country has worn off for moaning militants - with many now missing the battlefield and bored of the 9-5 grind of running the impoverished nation.

After decades of war, the blood-thirsty fighters have spoken of their disdain for office life and are reminiscing about the Taliban's past and their lives which they claim to be 'free of restrictions'.

In a study speaking to the blood-thirsty Taliban members who swapped the life of war and misery in the mountains for desk jobs, the Afghanistan Analysts Network found they were not adapting to the typical civilian lifestyle of office jobs and traffic.

After the realisation of how day-to-day life works, former soldier Abdul Nafi claimed to miss the war as he complained about spending his life on Twitter instead of roaming the country causing chaos and bloodshed. The 25-year-old ex-fighter said: 'I sometimes miss the jihad life for all the good things it had.

'In our ministry, there's little work for me to do. Therefore, I spend most of my time on Twitter. We're connected to speedy Wi-fi. Many mujahedeen, including me, are addicted to the internet, especially Twitter.'

He added: 'What I dislike about Kabul is its traffic and what I fear is its thieves. I keep my pistol on my person all the time after two of our comrades were robbed.'

Despite the sadistic militants imposing draconian rules that bar women from education and see people stoned, flogged and amputated in public the routine, the dis-conntected militants seem bored of civilisation.

Not ruining the lives of innocent people everyday seems to have hit Taliban commander Omar Mansurhard hard as heartless members now have to work for a wage instead of roaming the country to find their next victim.

The 32-year-old said: 'We had a great degree of freedom about where to go, where to stay and whether to participate in the war.

'These days, you have to go to the office before 8am and stay 'til 4pm. If you don't go, you're considered absent, and [the wage for] that day is cut from your salary.'


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Taliban fighters moan about 'having to be in the office from 8 till 4', their daily commute and how dull life is since taking over Afghanistan and becoming civil servants, with many admitting 'I miss jihad'

It is less than 18 months since jubilant Taliban fighters swept back to power and overran Afghanistan's capital as Joe Biden withdrew his troops in a retreat that shook the world.

But it seems the exhilaration of seizing control of the war-torn country has worn off for moaning militants - with many now missing the battlefield and bored of the 9-5 grind of running the impoverished nation.

After decades of war, the blood-thirsty fighters have spoken of their disdain for office life and are reminiscing about the Taliban's past and their lives which they claim to be 'free of restrictions'.

In a study speaking to the blood-thirsty Taliban members who swapped the life of war and misery in the mountains for desk jobs, the Afghanistan Analysts Network found they were not adapting to the typical civilian lifestyle of office jobs and traffic.

After the realisation of how day-to-day life works, former soldier Abdul Nafi claimed to miss the war as he complained about spending his life on Twitter instead of roaming the country causing chaos and bloodshed. The 25-year-old ex-fighter said: 'I sometimes miss the jihad life for all the good things it had.

'In our ministry, there's little work for me to do. Therefore, I spend most of my time on Twitter. We're connected to speedy Wi-fi. Many mujahedeen, including me, are addicted to the internet, especially Twitter.'

He added: 'What I dislike about Kabul is its traffic and what I fear is its thieves. I keep my pistol on my person all the time after two of our comrades were robbed.'

Despite the sadistic militants imposing draconian rules that bar women from education and see people stoned, flogged and amputated in public the routine, the dis-conntected militants seem bored of civilisation.

Not ruining the lives of innocent people everyday seems to have hit Taliban commander Omar Mansurhard hard as heartless members now have to work for a wage instead of roaming the country to find their next victim.

The 32-year-old said: 'We had a great degree of freedom about where to go, where to stay and whether to participate in the war.

'These days, you have to go to the office before 8am and stay 'til 4pm. If you don't go, you're considered absent, and [the wage for] that day is cut from your salary.'


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Top general reveals Chinese spy balloon was 200ft tall and payload was the size of a jetliner as White House defends decision to delay shooting it down

  • A top Pentagon official said the Chinese was 200-feet tall and had a payload the size of a jetliner
  • Air Force Gen. Glen D. VanHerck, commander of U.S. Northern Command, divulged new details about the downed balloon on a call with reporters Monday
  • His briefing followed National Security Council spokesman John Kirby defending the decision to delay shooting down the balloon until it was over water
  • The delay 'afforded us a terrific opportunity to gain a better understanding, to study the capabilities of this balloon'

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Top general reveals Chinese spy balloon was 200ft tall and payload was the size of a jetliner as White House defends decision to delay shooting it down

  • A top Pentagon official said the Chinese was 200-feet tall and had a payload the size of a jetliner
  • Air Force Gen. Glen D. VanHerck, commander of U.S. Northern Command, divulged new details about the downed balloon on a call with reporters Monday
  • His briefing followed National Security Council spokesman John Kirby defending the decision to delay shooting down the balloon until it was over water
  • The delay 'afforded us a terrific opportunity to gain a better understanding, to study the capabilities of this balloon'

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I'm guessing they mean that the payload was similar in cubic feet to a jetliner, but comparatively light. If so, their verbiage seems overly dramatic.
 

Dejan Corovic

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War between Russia & Ukraine was enough.

Mankind doesn't need another stupid war between US & China.

Even if this was spy balloon ( which likely wasn't ), just send them a balloon of your own. Or even better, send one over North Korea, to rutile that small chubby guy. That will make enough drama for a whole week.
 

nivek

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pigfarmer

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Hmmmm. They claim to have gone back and found forensic evidence that there were other balloon incursions. Possible but a bit hairy to admit publicly - especially for political gain. That tells me the systems DID record data and they failed to properly evaluate it. Equally bothersome.
 

nivek

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Beijing BUSTED! US intelligence confirms Chinese spy balloon WAS part of global surveillance operation to collect information on military sites across the world

China's suspected 'spy balloon' that unnerved millions of Americans across the country last week is seemingly part of a larger global surveillance plot by Beijing's authoritarian government, a new report claimed on Wednesday.

Citing three US intelligence sources, the New York Times reports that last week's diplomatic incident is part of a world-wide campaign of Chinese spying. The likely goal is reportedly to gather more information about American military bases as well as other countries' military capabilities.

Such surveillance devices were reportedly detected in at least 12 different countries across five continents. Air Force jets shot down the balloon which kicked off public furor over Beijing's brazen spying tactics on Saturday, just off the coast of South Carolina.


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Dark Side of the Loon! Roger Waters says Ukraine is 'not really a country' and is run by 'Nazis' amid row with Pink Floyd bandmate David Gilmour for being a 'Putin apologist'

Pink Floyd singer Roger Waters has said he believes Ukraine is 'run by Nazis' and that 'it's not really a country' just days after his former bandmate Dave Gilmour echoed accusations of him being 'anti-Semitic to his rotten core' and a 'Putin apologist'. Waters, 79, made the remarks in a wide-ranging interview with The Telegraph ahead of his upcoming summer tour. He also criticised Gilmour, 76, as a man with 'nothing to say'.

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nivek

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UFO perhaps?...Sounds more like a drone...

US military shoots down 'object' flying in territorial waters over Alaska

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The U.S. military shot down an "object" that was flying in territorial waters over Alaska, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said Friday afternoon during a White House press briefing.

"I can confirm that the Department of Defense was tracking a high altitude object over Alaska airspace in the last 24 hours. The object was flying at an altitude of 40,000 feet and posed a reasonable threat to the safety of civilian flight. Out of an abundance of caution and the recommendation of the Pentagon, President Biden ordered the military to down the object. And they did. And it came in inside our territorial waters," Kirby said.

Kirby added that the "object" landed on frozen waters, and that "Fighter aircraft assigned to U.S. Northern Command took down the object within the last hour."

He also added that the "object" was "much, much smaller than the spy balloon that we took down last Saturday."

"The way it was described to me was roughly the size of a small car as opposed to a payload that was like two or three buses sized," Kirby said.

Kirby said that he doesn't know of any "outreach" to the Chinese government about the object, and said that the government doesn't know who owns the unmanned object.


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'This isn't Russian roulette, it's like the suicide of lemmings': Putin's marine brigade of 5,000 men is all but destroyed in one of the most brutal battles since the start of the war

Ukrainian officials claim huge numbers of enemy troops have been killed, wounded and captured in failed attempts to seize the Donetsk hamlet of Vuhledar. They say that one marine brigade of 5,000 men was almost entirely destroyed, for the third time since the Kremlin launched the full-scale invasion nearly a year ago. The carnage - and loss of at least 130 armoured vehicles - led Russian hardliners to call for public show trials to punish incompetent generals responsible for the repeated battlefield massacres of their soldiers.

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Dejan Corovic

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are they all Jason Mamoa's cousins ?

put some shoes on your filthy feet before you get into that nice aircraft - one of the dozens of multimillion dollar ones we just left

I'm interested to find out why they wear black eyeliner around their eyes.

Maybe they formed hard rock band?
 

AD1184

Celestial
Ukraine is facing an ammunition crisis, as its rate of expenditure of artillery rounds (said to be in the region of 5-6,000 every day) is beyond the capacity of all allied nations combined to re-supply.


It is quite amusing to me that many of those who are calling for western backing of Ukraine in this war are often the types who have derided western defence procurement spending and sought for decades to minimize it. Now all of a sudden they want massive military expenditure, to assist a foreign, non-allied country. They have sought to undermine arms manufacturers and defence companies by labelling them as 'unethical' and pressuring pension funds and others to divest from them. Now, they are clamouring for their products.

However, it is looking like the cupboard is now bare. It might have been a good idea for Ukraine to have sought a compromised settlement with Russia at its point of maximum military advantage, which may now be in the past.
 
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