What Will The Afterlife Be Like?

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I recently heard various NDE descriptions and they've all blended together but I think this was a Jimmy Akin podcast. A woman who self described as a skeptical Jew was shocked to have the traditional modern form of Jesus meet her, give her the brochure and tour ....

Apparently a sense of humor survives bodily death
 

Non smoking gun

Honorable
A recent paper looked at the 'Relationship Between Near-Death Experiences and Dreaming'
APA PsycNet
It suggests that while trauma is known to have a significant effect of dream activity, NDE's exhibit a wider changes:

Unusual dream phenomena such as more intense and vivid dreams, higher dream recall, and increased lucid dreaming have been purported to occur after NDEs

Self-reported physical changes include increased electromagnetic sensitivity, heightened senses, hypersensitivity to light, extra-sensory perceptions, skin sensitivities, and dietary changes,
Other unusual sleep states have also been reported in association with stress and trauma, most commonly, increased incidence of lucid dreaming, OBEs, and sleep paralysis. While the underlying mechanism of lucid dreaming remains unknown, lucid dreams are often referred to as a hybrid sleep/wake state (Voss et al., 2009), or more recently, a highly activated REM state (Baird et al., 2022). Lucid dreaming differs from normal dreaming in that sleepers are aware they are dreaming and are often able to exert varying levels of control over their dreams, including the ability to awaken themselves.
Stress or trauma can also trigger a parasomnia known as sleep paralysis (Denis et al., 2018). Sleep paralysis typically occurs during transitionary sleep states (the onset of sleep or awakening from sleep) and includes features such as panic and fear, muscular paralysis, a sensed “evil” presence or intruder, and other vivid sensory-motor hallucinations such as OBEs, pressure on the chest and frightening auditory or visual hallucinations (Cheyne, 2005; Denis et al., 2018). Often associated with sleep paralysis are OBEs, whereby the “self” or locale of consciousness feels as though it has separated from the material body, with experiencers typically able to view their body and immediate physical surroundings from an external vantage point (Blackmore, 1984; Cheyne, 2005; de Sá & Mota-Rolim, 2016; Herrero et al., 2023; Irwin, 1988; LaBerge, 1988, 2014).

he relationship between trauma and dreaming has relevance for research examining dreaming among survivors of NDEs, given a significant portion of experiences occur in the context of acute and distressing life-threatening events, such as near-drowning, traffic accidents, assault, or combat-related injury.

Our findings continue to suggest a relationship between nonordinary states and expanded awareness more broadly—whether experienced during sleep, wakefulness, or somewhere in between. It is plausible that alterations in brain structure and functionality may not only arise from intentional, sustained activities such as long-term meditative practice. NDEs, a unique state of consciousness sometimes appearing
 

J Randall Murphy

Trying To Stay Awake
A recent paper looked at the 'Relationship Between Near-Death Experiences and Dreaming'
APA PsycNet
It suggests that while trauma is known to have a significant effect of dream activity, NDE's exhibit a wider changes:

Interesting paper. Thanks for posting it. Dreams and NDEs are of course very different than concepts of afterlives, but coincidentally, just yesterday I had an odd dream of being in a parallel universe. It felt very real — not like a lucid dream, but as if I'd woken-up out of a dream to find myself awake there.

I was in a Ford Bronco II that had stalled. I had no control, but it was rolling slowly enough to open the door and get out without injury. The 2 door SUV came to a gentle stop against a curb at the end of the block. It was just like the one my dear departed Dad used to drive. Traffic had to go around it, I noticed they were all 4 door vehicles.

I walked into a shop at the side of the road, A man turned toward me who reacted as if he was looking at a ghost, I said, "That's how you know this is a different universe isn't it — all the cars are 4 door — right?" He replied, "You need to go see the military." — as he hastily exited the shop.

The military? I thought to myself. So they must know about this — and there must be others like me here ! Then I woke-up — just when things were getting interesting ( lol ).
 

Non smoking gun

Honorable
The common NDE report of moving through a tunnel towards a light, is said to be the transition from a universe with mass and time to one without, where beings are energy.
I guess to go through that and back must change a persons awareness and giiven the current take on dreams as problem solving and memory sifting, those changes would fit the changes the paper describes.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
The light at the end of the tunnel is your reincarnation path, go through the light and get recycled into yet another incarnation...We are beings of light, we do not need to follow light from outside ourselves, we radiate our own individual light...Follow your own light, it will light your way...

...
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The common NDE report of moving through a tunnel towards a light, is said to be the transition from a universe with mass and time to one without, where beings are energy.
I guess to go through that and back must change a persons awareness and giiven the current take on dreams as problem solving and memory sifting, those changes would fit the changes the paper describes.
van Lommel described that transition (loosely) as a wormhole. The Dutch studies he designed showed a definite change in behavioral patterns after an NDE; increased empathy, lack of concern for material possessions, a desire for Flintstones Fruity Pebbles. Also that the altered state of consciousness can occur spontaneously lacking any trauma.

Well, I admit I threw that last one in there because I'm hungry and have a craving ....

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Non smoking gun

Honorable
There seems to be two distinct stages, an out of body state just after death, and then travel to another place (sometimes with a guide).

One person stated that we are placed in bodies with deliberately limited perception, analogous to being put in a large dark room with just a small torch - it seems that to struggle is required to learn what we must.
During the NDE, as they leave their body, the blinkers come off and their full abilities return.

It would be really interesting to put 20 of those NDE's with precognition together in a room
 

J Randall Murphy

Trying To Stay Awake
The light at the end of the tunnel is your reincarnation path, go through the light and get recycled into yet another incarnation...We are beings of light, we do not need to follow light from outside ourselves, we radiate our own individual light...Follow your own light, it will light your way...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
My wife's aunt will be 89 this month. She lives alone, still drives, participates in the local Rotary. Not your average woman of that age at all.

She lost her husband of 60+ years this July and has been grieving. They shared one apartment all that time and she's still in it. If she said she was speaking to her husband I probably would not have noticed.

Instead she's been chatting with her sister, my wife's mother who passed in May 2023. Last night my wife got a call and she said 'my sister is trying to communicate with me'. She simply repeated that three more times and hung up.

Age, dementia, depression, grief. Fairly easily attributed to any and all of that but part of me doesn't want to quite so easily. This isn't the first time we've heard this and it's highly out of character.

I just heard about this over coffee. Obviously I haven't had enough yet
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
My wife's aunt will be 89 this month. She lives alone, still drives, participates in the local Rotary. Not your average woman of that age at all.

She lost her husband of 60+ years this July and has been grieving. They shared one apartment all that time and she's still in it. If she said she was speaking to her husband I probably would not have noticed.

Instead she's been chatting with her sister, my wife's mother who passed in May 2023. Last night my wife got a call and she said 'my sister is trying to communicate with me'. She simply repeated that three more times and hung up.

Age, dementia, depression, grief. Fairly easily attributed to any and all of that but part of me doesn't want to quite so easily. This isn't the first time we've heard this and it's highly out of character.

I just heard about this over coffee. Obviously I haven't had enough yet
Im sorry to hear that its went that far brother. im well versed in what a little grief can do to a mind. My observation isnt the most popular on the subject, but I tend to humor those claims, when it happens to my mom. Think about it metaphysically, the dying mind may somehow bridge gaps between life and whatevers next. Im just saying, a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
My wife's aunt will be 89 this month. She lives alone, still drives, participates in the local Rotary. Not your average woman of that age at all.

She lost her husband of 60+ years this July and has been grieving. They shared one apartment all that time and she's still in it. If she said she was speaking to her husband I probably would not have noticed.

Instead she's been chatting with her sister, my wife's mother who passed in May 2023. Last night my wife got a call and she said 'my sister is trying to communicate with me'. She simply repeated that three more times and hung up.

Age, dementia, depression, grief. Fairly easily attributed to any and all of that but part of me doesn't want to quite so easily. This isn't the first time we've heard this and it's highly out of character.

I just heard about this over coffee. Obviously I haven't had enough yet

Don't discount the possibility that she really is talking to the spirit of your mother in law. My wife's grandfather was very mentally sharp until the day he died, and in the year beofre he passed he confidently stated that some guys he had served in WWII with had come to visit him in spirit form. One of my doctors worked in hospice for years and she said many of her patients reported the same thing.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Don't discount the possibility that she really is talking to the spirit of your mother in law

I don't, I think she actually is and that's the disturbing part. I had something like this with my mom that was more dramatic but she was already in Hospice.

This woman is nowhere near any of that, right now there's nothing wrong with her but her will to live is gone and that alone is significant.

There are those who would say, some here in this thread, that communication with the deceased is impossible. Sure. Then there's the rest of us, Hospice workers included, that have gone through what actually happens who know different.

I don't think my wife or her sister have seen this, they've heard what I have but pay it little attention. I think maybe I'm the one to realize the water's gone from the lagoon and what that means.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
My aunt is 78 and has dementia but still pretty functional. She lives in a nursing home and I would bet she will start receiving visits soon if she hasn't already. She is comfortable and in a really good facility, but the reality is that her life in this world is effectively over and she is just in the waiting room for the next one. I think her husband will be the one to welcome her across the River.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Spent some time with our elderly aunt yesterday. As I've said, she's not like most other 89 year olds - quite active yet.

Out of the blue as she's sitting next to me in the car she tells me her sister (that died in 2023) visited her last night again. I've heard this before several times but never say anything. Now, this is real world not just online jabber and I'm on thin ice here. I have an emotionally distraught woman on a hair trigger prone to over the top outbursts that wants to say these things to me for some reason. She has no clue I have an interest in any of this.

This time I asked what she looks like, what she said, how it all works. I was told she senses her presence, sees her face and she's trying to talk but can't. She understands what's being said without words - she won't relate exactly what is being said and I'm not pushing it.

Importantly she's grieving her widow of 60+ years who only died a few months ago. She talks about him and her grief all the time and I'd understand if she said he came back to see her, but her sister, now? With something to say apparently that we aren't supposed to hear.

Wouldn't you want to know what it is no matter what you think about these things?
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Spike in end-of-life brain activity could be evidence of ‘soul’ leaving the body, expert says

By
Richard Pollina
Published Feb. 19, 2025, 2:37 a.m. ET


A flair of energy in the brain in a dying patient who had “no blood pressure” or “heart rate” could be evidence of the “soul leaving the body” after death, according to an expert.

Dr. Stuart Hameroff, an anesthesiologist and professor of anesthesiology and psychology, said a recent study monitoring a clinically dead patient’s brain with sensors from an electroencephalogram (EEG) captured the strange burst of energy after death.

“They saw everything go away and then [psh] you got this activity when there was no blood pressure, no heart rate,” Hameroff told Project Unity in an interview Tuesday.
Anesthesiologist and professor of anesthesiology and psychology Dr. Stuart Hameroff said a recent study monitoring a clinically dead patient's brain with sensors from an electroencephalogram (EEG) captured the strange burst of energy after death.
Anesthesiologist and professor of anesthesiology and psychology Dr. Stuart Hameroff.@TheProjectUnity/X

“So that could be the near-death experience, or it could be the soul leaving the body, perhaps.”

The anesthesiologist said the burst of activity called gamma synchrony — a type of brain wave pattern linked to conscious thought, awareness, and perception — was picked up on the EEG and sometimes lasts “30 to 90 seconds” before it’s gone when the patient is already clinically dead.

While the University of Arizona professor said that skeptics have argued that it’s the “last gasp” of neurons firing off after death or simply an “illusion,” he argues that it could be consciousness leaving the body.
He speculates that consciousness may not need the same amount of “energy consumption” other activities in the brain require and is found at a “deeper level,” making it “the last thing to go” during the dying process.
“The point is it shows that consciousness is actually, probably, a very low energy process,” he said.
Anesthesiologist and professor of anesthesiology and psychology Dr. Stuart Hameroff said a recent study monitoring a clinically dead patient's brain with sensors from an electroencephalogram (EEG) captured the strange burst of energy after death.
Hameroff said a recent study monitoring a clinically dead patient’s brain with sensors from an electroencephalogram (EEG) captured the strange burst of energy after death.@TheProjectUnity/X
speculates that consciousness may not need the same amount of energy consumption other activities in the brain require and is found at a deeper level, making it the last thing to go during the dying process.
Hameroff speculates that consciousness may not need the same amount of “energy consumption” other activities in the brain require and is found at a “deeper level,” making it “the last thing to go” during the dying process.samunella – stock.adobe.com

Hameroff claims Dr. Lakhmir Chawla first pioneered this monitoring in a study, and anesthesiologists have regularly used EEG to monitor brain-dead patients giving organs to ensure there is no brain activity before the process.
“This has been a fairly reproducible event, not 100% like 50% of patients show this when you measure it,” he said.
Hameroff also cited a study by Dr. Robin Lester Carhart-Harris — a researcher who studies how drugs affect mental health and behavior — where he had volunteers go into MRI machines or be monitored by EEGs and gave them a drip of the psychoactive compound psilocybin.

Hameroff explained that Carhart-Harris instructed the volunteers to close their eyes, stay quiet, do nothing, and tell them what the experience was like after the test.
The subjects later told Carhart-Harris that they were experiencing “vivid hallucinations” and “basically tripping,” but the MRI was “cold and dark as if they were comatose” and showed no brain activity.
“I think they were expecting the MRI to light up like a pinball machine when they gave them the psilocybin because all this stuff would be going on,” Hameroff said.
“They were at a loss to explain this.”
So that could be the near-death experience, or it could be the soul leaving the body, perhaps.Hameroff 5
Hameroff said the activity “could be the soul leaving the body, perhaps.”
Hameroff speculates that consciousness may not need the same amount of energy consumption other activities in the brain require and is found at a deeper level, making it the last thing to go during the dying process.
While Hameroff said that skeptics have argued that it’s the “last gasp” of neurons firing off after death or simply an “illusion,” he argues that it could be consciousness leaving the body.Nomad_Soul – stock.adobe.com

Hameroff — who said he was chairing one of the sessions — asked if it could be because consciousness is happening at “a deeper quantum level.”

“Quantum level brain activity” is a theory that specific brain functions may operate on a small scale within neurons, beyond traditional information processing through classical neural pathways, according to Neuroscience News.

Research into the theory investigates the possibility that the brain might utilize quantum mechanical processes, suggesting that consciousness could be a collective quantum vibration within neurons.

Hameroff believes Carhart-Harris’s study could also point to why it could be the same reason “end-of-life” brain activity spikes after a patient dies.
“I think consciousness is actually low energy,” he said.
 

Zee

Adept
Spike in end-of-life brain activity could be evidence of ‘soul’ leaving the body, expert says

By
Richard Pollina
Published Feb. 19, 2025, 2:37 a.m. ET


A flair of energy in the brain in a dying patient who had “no blood pressure” or “heart rate” could be evidence of the “soul leaving the body” after death, according to an expert.

Dr. Stuart Hameroff, an anesthesiologist and professor of anesthesiology and psychology, said a recent study monitoring a clinically dead patient’s brain with sensors from an electroencephalogram (EEG) captured the strange burst of energy after death.

“They saw everything go away and then [psh] you got this activity when there was no blood pressure, no heart rate,” Hameroff told Project Unity in an interview Tuesday.
Anesthesiologist and professor of anesthesiology and psychology Dr. Stuart Hameroff said a recent study monitoring a clinically dead patient's brain with sensors from an electroencephalogram (EEG) captured the strange burst of energy after death.'s brain with sensors from an electroencephalogram (EEG) captured the strange burst of energy after death.
Anesthesiologist and professor of anesthesiology and psychology Dr. Stuart Hameroff.@TheProjectUnity/X

“So that could be the near-death experience, or it could be the soul leaving the body, perhaps.”

The anesthesiologist said the burst of activity called gamma synchrony — a type of brain wave pattern linked to conscious thought, awareness, and perception — was picked up on the EEG and sometimes lasts “30 to 90 seconds” before it’s gone when the patient is already clinically dead.

While the University of Arizona professor said that skeptics have argued that it’s the “last gasp” of neurons firing off after death or simply an “illusion,” he argues that it could be consciousness leaving the body.
He speculates that consciousness may not need the same amount of “energy consumption” other activities in the brain require and is found at a “deeper level,” making it “the last thing to go” during the dying process.
“The point is it shows that consciousness is actually, probably, a very low energy process,” he said.
Anesthesiologist and professor of anesthesiology and psychology Dr. Stuart Hameroff said a recent study monitoring a clinically dead patient's brain with sensors from an electroencephalogram (EEG) captured the strange burst of energy after death.'s brain with sensors from an electroencephalogram (EEG) captured the strange burst of energy after death.
Hameroff said a recent study monitoring a clinically dead patient’s brain with sensors from an electroencephalogram (EEG) captured the strange burst of energy after death.@TheProjectUnity/X
speculates that consciousness may not need the same amount of energy consumption other activities in the brain require and is found at a deeper level, making it the last thing to go during the dying process.
Hameroff speculates that consciousness may not need the same amount of “energy consumption” other activities in the brain require and is found at a “deeper level,” making it “the last thing to go” during the dying process.samunella – stock.adobe.com

Hameroff claims Dr. Lakhmir Chawla first pioneered this monitoring in a study, and anesthesiologists have regularly used EEG to monitor brain-dead patients giving organs to ensure there is no brain activity before the process.
“This has been a fairly reproducible event, not 100% like 50% of patients show this when you measure it,” he said.
Hameroff also cited a study by Dr. Robin Lester Carhart-Harris — a researcher who studies how drugs affect mental health and behavior — where he had volunteers go into MRI machines or be monitored by EEGs and gave them a drip of the psychoactive compound psilocybin.

Hameroff explained that Carhart-Harris instructed the volunteers to close their eyes, stay quiet, do nothing, and tell them what the experience was like after the test.
The subjects later told Carhart-Harris that they were experiencing “vivid hallucinations” and “basically tripping,” but the MRI was “cold and dark as if they were comatose” and showed no brain activity.
“I think they were expecting the MRI to light up like a pinball machine when they gave them the psilocybin because all this stuff would be going on,” Hameroff said.
“They were at a loss to explain this.”
So that could be the near-death experience, or it could be the soul leaving the body, perhaps.Hameroff 5
Hameroff said the activity “could be the soul leaving the body, perhaps.”
Hameroff speculates that consciousness may not need the same amount of energy consumption other activities in the brain require and is found at a deeper level, making it the last thing to go during the dying process.
While Hameroff said that skeptics have argued that it’s the “last gasp” of neurons firing off after death or simply an “illusion,” he argues that it could be consciousness leaving the body.Nomad_Soul – stock.adobe.com

Hameroff — who said he was chairing one of the sessions — asked if it could be because consciousness is happening at “a deeper quantum level.”

“Quantum level brain activity” is a theory that specific brain functions may operate on a small scale within neurons, beyond traditional information processing through classical neural pathways, according to Neuroscience News.

Research into the theory investigates the possibility that the brain might utilize quantum mechanical processes, suggesting that consciousness could be a collective quantum vibration within neurons.

Hameroff believes Carhart-Harris’s study could also point to why it could be the same reason “end-of-life” brain activity spikes after a patient dies.
“I think consciousness is actually low energy,” he said.
Call me crazy, but I'm sure I felt my Dad's soul leave his body...
Truly Unexplainable..
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Call me crazy, but I'm sure I felt my Dad's soul leave his body...
Truly Unexplainable..
OK, you're crazy, maybe even Krazy :) But you're also right. Hospice caregivers would agree.

I sensed that my Mom would not pass while I was present and was right, she went off like a light switch as soon as I left the building.
 

karl 12

Noble

Zee

Adept
OK, you're crazy, maybe even Krazy :) But you're also right. Hospice caregivers would agree.

I sensed that my Mom would not pass while I was present and was right, she went off like a light switch as soon as I left the building.
Dya know, well when it happend I had went to the car to have 5 mins as all was too much for me and I think my Da had waited until I left and then when I came back in the room that's when I'm sure I felt his soul, I'm sure a part of me went with him

God bless you with your Ma,
It's a crazy wee world, and it works in very mysterious ways xx
 
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