What Will The Afterlife Be Like?

[Dejan Corovic]

What I am saying, spirituality is "true understanding", not "feeling as a part of the whole".

Feeling can be faked, but faking understanding is harder, although it can be doen.

 

[spacecase0]

Knowledge is networked information with predictive ability.

If a body of networked information doesn't have predictive ability, then it is truly just a mumbo-jumbo.

People often say "... oh, science is so limited". Of course science is limited, because reality is narrow. Mankind is not limited by its fantasies, but it's resources. Anybody who has his feet firmly on the ground will always be much more limited than somebody who lives in fantasy.

I can, or even better AI can, produce not less then x10 "spiritual" books in an hour, for a simple reason that these books are just full of catch phrases and fantasies without any real meaning. Real meaning being the predictive ability, which is hard to get alpha and omega.

Or even better, it took around 14,000 years for science to fully develop, while spirituality sprung up almost immediately. Why was that? Simply, spirituality is just a pure fantasy, that requires no resources, like telescopes, microscopes, voltmeters, spectroscopes etc.

try this for a framework of reality
spiritual things are very real, and if you know how, testable.
just that most science blocks this sort of info, they seem to actually fear ideas.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHYh7k3H5kQ

 

[nivek]

testable

Material (matter) in the spiritual realms can be measured, can be tested...Science doesn't know how to do that yet and with the attitudes the scientific community has towards this topic it seems it will be a long time before science has any understanding of the whole of reality...

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[Rick Hunter]

Science is just one means of many for acquiring knowledge. Religion is another. There are areas where they overlap, but for the most part you should not try to use one to prove or disprove the other. It's like comparing apples to rocks.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Science is just one means of many for acquiring knowledge. Religion is another. There are areas where they overlap, but for the most part you should not try to use one to prove or disprove the other. It's like comparing apples to rocks.

The way I see it as off lately is that human being needs both reason and love. Maybe lot more love then reason.

Reason is focused on avoiding fakes and thus is domain of science. While religion is one of many areas of humanity, like arts, politics, culture, respect, spirituality etc., that are supposed to spread the love. Now, problem with love is that it is sooo easy to fake. For example, the example I like to quote, even Facebook's algo, that has total of about 5 brain cells, can guess which ads will make most profit for FB after just 10 likes by the new account.

 

[pigfarmer]

people are trying to turn over a quick back from spirituality

Unfortunately, like UFOs and a lot of things we share interest in there are always elements that are involved for anything other than pure interest in the topic. I watched a famous psychic shamelessly mine and old couple right in front of me and they were glad for it. In that arena a sucker isn't born every minute it's every second. But you can't just toss out the baby with the dirty bathwater. In amongst all the frippery there might be - and IMO definitely are - suggestions that it is indeed quite 'real' and that we may have to rethink things.

I'd think the first step in obtaining what empirical science demands is to first define the question. Example - reports of gorillas went unheeded until the right person in the right place brought something tangible to the table. Doesn't mean they never existed before that. More importantly, seems we were aware of them in antiquity and mainstream science of that era failed to recognize that. In that case it's possible the evidence for that post-dates 1847, IDK. Either way what had been dismissed was no longer. Perhaps a more open mind and willingness to explore would have led to the re-discovery sooner.

The age old question of 'is there survival of consciousness after bodily death' and there have been untold anecdotal accounts that seem to support that idea - many of which are now being collected into a database and studied by accredited academic institutions. They are willing to look through the telescope, so to speak. In the meantime there are many quite credible individuals who will tell you their thoughts on the topic and there's no reason to dismiss them out of hand.

Free to listen. But not to get a psychic reading

 

[pigfarmer]

there have been untold anecdotal accounts

In the UFO arena that statement has been offered time and again that there must be something going on based of the sheer volume of reports. Well ......

 

[pigfarmer]

I didn't know where to put this one - a miniseries recommendation. A new take on reincarnation and frankly, one I had never considered. Could be a fresh new idea for once. In any case, the first five episodes are excellent and you there is obviously a suspenseful mystery at work that you can't really figure out. Fortunately there's a Time Lord handy to in the sixth and last installment to explain it all. Damn ! Good one here.

 

[pigfarmer]

Death as a natural process. But what if it isn't what you think it is, what we've come to expect? Could be very, very different that the traditionally accepted version of your relatives welcoming you home for supper.

 

[pigfarmer]

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[pigfarmer]

OK, why not. There's room for creativity here

If you could choose your mode of death what would it be ?

 

[Dejan Corovic]

OK, why not. There's room for creativity here

If you could choose your mode of death what would it be ?

painless, with a few hours to prepare.

 

[pigfarmer]

I'd prefer it to be quick and painless of course but that comes in many flavors. Somehow just drifting off in bed isn't appealing to me. Better to die fixing the warp drive so the ship can escape the Genesis Device. Or better yet, take a tip from Space Cowboys
This is a spoiler if you haven't seen it

I don't have access to any giant rockets - right now anyway. My imagination is headed towards some sort of Cannonball Run type high speed chase ending in a huge fireball.

 

[nivek]

There are some little known understandings about what occurs when departing this life...One of those is in regards to what is learned whilst living this physical life...The only thing that can be taken with us at the point of death is the knowledge and understanding gained through our experiences...Any knowledge we obtain through books or from conversations others or from some other way (unapplied knowledge) is lost...Only knowledge applied in our physical lives from which we gain understanding and wisdom stays with us into the afterlife...Knowledge that is 'undigested', learned but not applied, is always lost at death...

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[nivek]

OK, why not. There's room for creativity here

If you could choose your mode of death what would it be ?

I believe we all choose our mode of death before we come to life in this reality, however this brings up other questions, like, are there are random occurances that could change that choice?...Or are seemingly random occurances not random at all, but instead are occurances based upon a series of other choices and subsequent events?...

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[pigfarmer]

That'll get your head spinning. Just read 11/22/63 (good book) and watched the miniseries (not so good) and that sort of thing is central to the story. Stephen King says the past doesn't want to be changed and will resist, and because it's him it'll be Evil about it. In terms of 'free choice' maybe some preselected paths are made easier to follow for us than others; agame of existential bumper bowling.

When you watch someone die choking on their own fluids it's hard to discern what lesson that might involve. You also have any number of people who meet their ends in ridiculous ways and I wonder about those as predestined choices, although the messages may be more straightforward; ; leave the bear alone, thaw your turkey before you deep fry it, stay away from the edge, make sure the safety belt is secured, that sort of thing.

 

[nivek]

When you watch someone die choking on their own fluids it's hard to discern what lesson that might involve.

Nothing says that every occurance contains a lesson to be learned, if we for a moment take out the random occurance possibility, perhaps the individual just wanted to go out that way for their own reasons, maybe just for the experience, same for getting eaten by a bear or the parachute not opening...?

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[pigfarmer]

If you could choose your mode of death what would it be ?

ZEBRA !! Who saw that coming ? He's not dead but the guy from a couple weeks ago who threw a punch at a petting zoo camel is.

Zebra badly mauls Ohio man’s arm, deputies put it down: ‘I think he tore my arm off’

Zebra badly mauls Ohio man’s arm, deputies put it down: ‘I think he tore my arm off’​

By
Greg Wehner , Fox News
March 13, 2023 8:55pm

Pickaway County, Ohio deputies killed a zebra on Sunday evening after it mauled a man’s arm, nearly ripping it from his body.
Deputies with the Pickaway County Sheriff’s Office responded to reports of a zebra attack in Circleville, Ohio just after 5:30 p.m. on Sunday.

During the 911 call, Ronald Clifton, 72, said he was attacked by a zebra, and requested that the rescue squad be sent right away.
The dispatcher sounded shocked and needed to make sure that Clifton said he was attacked by a zebra, and he confirmed it.
“I think he tore my arm off…send a chopper,” Clifton said.

The dispatcher asked if the animal bit his arm, Clifton said, “Oh hell yes.”

When deputies arrived, they found Clifton laying on the ground.
According to the police report, one deputy attempted to position his cruiser between Clifton and the zebras when a large male zebra charged the driver side door and acted “very hostile.”
The male zebra was aggressive because he was acting protective of the five to six females in the field.Pickaway County Sheriff's Office Ronald Clifton said he was attacked by a zebra, and requested that the rescue squad be sent right away.Pickaway County Sheriff's Office
After using the cruiser siren and air horn, the deputy was able to get the zebra to back off so he could get to Clifton, whose arm was bleeding below the elbow.
The deputy applied a tourniquet just below the shoulder and was able to walk Clifton to an ambulance with the help of another deputy.
A third deputy on the scene kept watch on the zebra and reported that one of the workers on the property told him to put the zebra down if necessary.
Deputies responded to reports of a zebra attack after 5:30 p.m.Pickaway County Sheriff's Office
Members of the Clifton family told the deputy to not turn his back on the zebra because that is when it will attack.
They then reiterated to put the zebra down if necessary, the deputy reported.
Moments later, the zebra is seen on body camera footage walking aggressively toward the deputy, who yelled at it three times to scare it away. When the zebra did not back down, the deputy aimed a 12-gauge shotgun at its head and fired a slug into its forehead.
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The report noted that the male zebra was aggressive because he was acting protective of the five to six females in the field—he was the only male in the herd.
Clifton was taken to Grant Hospital in Columbus, Ohio where he was treated for his injuries.

 

[pigfarmer]

Been sitting here for the past few hours reading about pet euthanasia as part of a course I am taking. Naturally I have to relive them all as I am doing so, not a particularly warming experience. But, as Capt. Kirk once said "how we deal with death is just as important as how we deal with life, wouldn't you agree? " Well yeah, I do.

Paid for a medium reading not that long ago - looking for something specific. Did my best to vet them and pick one that had been theoretically double blind tested. She came well recommended anyway and was a nice lady who seemed quite sincere in her efforts. My wife was so taken aback by my reading she got one and it was a dud, and in the process this woman revealed the way she does business. Nothing bad, but the framework of the reading and it's contents sound like what everybody gets with individual details thrown in.

She came right out of the gate talking about my old dog Molly - called he by name and describer her personality quite well. I'm sitting here looking at a picture of her. I don't react, not feeding any cold readers. Later she mentioned 'a library' in connection to me and sure enough I'm sitting in a room lined with books like I always do.

Frankly, I think she was remote viewing me. That phenomenon I have no real trouble with, what little I've seen of it says 'yup.' But is it communication with the discarnate? Dunno about that. We had a long chat afterwards but I didn't mention RV. No point in insulting her. In the end it made me feel good to think I'll see my old friends again.

For something a little left handed:

What about animals in the afterlife ?

Has anyone ever felt they communicated with a person or a pet that has passed ?

 

[Rick Hunter]

It's strange how I totally missed this thread. Yes, I think that I have been visited by people and pets from the afterlife. I had a beloved cat die in 2020. Prior to her passage, I had a dream in which I watched her jump into the creek behind my house. She was swimming underwater and I could tell she was able to breathe under the water. I went to the water to go after her and she clearly communicated to me, "I am going where you cannot go." About a month after she died, I had a dream that I saw her alive and sitting on top of a tombstone. I felt horrible, like I had mistakenly buried her alive. But then I received the message from her that I had not buried her alive, she had safely crossed over to the afterlife.

In the last couple of years I have received reminders from my grandparents who are all deceased. Several times, I have had dreams where my grandparents were walking around living their normal lives here on planet Earth 2023. I said to them, "I thought you were dead!" They replied, "Yes, but that was just for a time. We are now alive again." This year I have received signs from my two grandmothers. At lunch one day, I opened my lunchbox and was hit with the exact smell of my maternal grandmother's kitchen. It is a very distinctive smell that you never forget, and I've never experienced anywhere else. My lunchbox wasn't even manufactured when she died, and it has never been in her old house. A few weeks ago I was sitting in my living room and was hit by the smell of my paternal grandmother's pink Ivory soap. This soap is not sold around here. We have never bought it and did not live in this house when she died. In fact, our house has always had kind of a musty smell and any odor has to be pretty strong to overcome it.

I'm intensely interested in the Afterlife, and trying to learn as much as I can about it. The Old and New Testaments really don't talk about it a huge amount, but the non-canonical Christian writings certainly do.