What Will The Afterlife Be Like?

This sounds to me like a natural process, and our perspective on it is inherently constrained. Our presence here can be a little but essential aspect of a larger existence. Maybe we're too constrained to even be able to interact with ET in this manner, so you really want to throw some fat on the fire. Wouldn't it be preferable to merely imagine a message home using a non-local consciousness related procedure rather than using a subspace radio device to get a message home in some hopefully not too lengthy period of time? Talk about quantum entanglement, you physicists.
 

jenniderf

Novice
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So, The thing Is, It's difficult to speak about concepts like An afterlife, Some people, passionately believe There is simply nothing after "This". I mean, What even is "Nothing? Can Nothingness even be Visualized? Can it be comprehended? Is nothingness even physically possible? Can it even be Defined?

No, Weather it's a religious or spiritual Afterlife Or something else entirely, By far Most people tend to embrace the Idea that Death Is simply The Act of Passing on, "As in passing on into something else, Another Life perhaps". Possibly a Reincarnation into someone else", Or simply a continued existence in some other part of the cosmos in some alternate location.

So, To those very few in number Who believe there is nothing Beyond the Rainslick precipice of Darkness, I still want to hear your Take, Because Everyone always loves to hear the Boring unimaginative guy's thoughts on Concepts like The Afterlife. To everyone else, What I would like is your thoughts on what A continued existence after death could perhaps be like. We want Details, Descriptions, Would we be in physical bodies? or would this continued existence be pure energy? or even just disembodied consciousness?

It's an interesting subject, That I'm sure most of us have given at least a little thought to, And we would like to hear your Take on What awaits us after we shed this Mortal coil..
Soul, same as Love, was invented by advertising men to sell more nylons ( quote from Madman ).

It is easy to prove that Soul doesn't exist, because AI can now imitate human conversation without humans being able to distinguish between AI & human. If AI and Human can not be told apart then it means that AI have Soul, which we know it can't be true. That's 100% proof that Soul is fabrication of advertising men.
Belief in an afterlife is in contrast to the belief in oblivion after death. In some views, this continued existence takes place in a spiritual realm.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
Take the case of James Leininger. I tend to accept it as 'not fraudulent' which isn't the same as 'real' or what have you. It is rare but not the only one, and only rare because it's American. Other cultures are far more accepting of reincarnation.

Point is though, if James Huston died in a fiery crash in 1945 what had he been up to until 1998 when he popped out of his new mommy ?

This is a 'scholarly reference' explaining it. A bit of Googling will reveal all sorts of debunking.

https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual...ucker-James-LeiningerPIIS1550830716000331.pdf

Not fraudulent: that's how I view alot of paranormal stuff. In particular, the Phillip Corso story. Try as I might, I don't see where he benefitted from it much. I don't recall him suddenly going on the lecture circuit, and surely he would have known that UFO books seldom make the NYT list. I think he most likely did believe what he wrote in the book, and some of the events probably did in fact happen. He then added alot of his own personal beliefs and conclusions to come up with the story in the book.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Belief in an afterlife is in contrast to the belief in oblivion after death. In some views, this continued existence takes place in a spiritual realm.
only little problem is that spiritual realm doesn't exist.

whole talk about spirituality is focused on avoiding elephant in the room, which is reality check. And reality check is the only constructive approach to the life, universe and everything else.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
reality check
This is a vague description of what exactly?...

Perceptions are mainly learned, although some may have a natural ability (as with anything else) to perceive different realities...However if two or more people were to have a similar perception, then does reality become a matter of opinion?...Who actually sees reality?...

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nivek

As Above So Below
The assumption that reality is whatever physics or physical science claims it is allows one to be comfortable with one's own prejudices and nurtures an incredible bias to what really is going on...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Science has provided immense knowledge of the physical reality but this knowledge is very limited, barely scratching the surface, so it is reasonable to assume that there is still a much greater part of reality that is, as of yet, unexplored...Logically then, there is really nothing to contradict a reality beyond the physical and there are obvious signs and examples of phenomena that manifests in the physical reality but do not originate in the known physical reality...These are indications of something more than the physical reality science offers us...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Matter, Consciousness, and Motion are the three basic factors of existence...The world of matter is also the world of consciousness as well as is the world of motion all at the same time...None of these three factors can exist without the other two, everything that exists in the physical reality and in realities beyond the physical, is matter of varied degrees, and all matter has consciousness and all is in motion...Reality exists as a triad, a unity of matter, consciousness, and motion, if anyone explores any one of the three basic factors of existence in isolation from one another, then any understanding gained will always be incomplete...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Physical matter is, for the most part, visible and very tangible to us however, because non-physical matter is invisible and intangible to us, we have what is called 'spiritual'...There actually exists many kinds of non-physical or 'spiritual' matter and these other kinds or states of matter thoroughly penetrate the physical reality and exist in the same space as physical matter...The entire physical reality is penetrated with non-physical (spiritual) matter of various degrees, so when different or spiritual realms are discussed in topics such as this, we are actually referring to different states of matter...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Objective reality is matter and subjective reality is consciousness, the physical and spiritual realms are both objective and subjective, since they all contain matter and consciousness...Consciousness is able to know and understand the three basic factors of existence matter, consciousness (itself), and motion, so consciousness can understand reality both subjectively and objectively, with subjective content being understood when consciousness is focused on itself, this is 'subjective consciousness' and with objective content being understood when observing physical or spiritual matter, this is objective consciousness...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Matter - Reality consists of higher and lower states of matter with higher (or finer) states of matter which are able to penetrate lower (or courser) states matter...

Consciousness - Reality consists of higher and lower degrees of consciousness, which are bound up with corresponding states of matter and just as higher states of matter can penetrate lower states of matter, so too higher degrees of consciousness can penetrate all lower...

Motion -Reality consists of various levels of energy, higher energies of course being more intensive and powerful than lower energies...A higher state of matter has an increased degree of consciousness with the ability to control or influence higher levels of energy and the reverse is true with lower states of matter and consciousness...

Consciousness can become aware of higher states of matter only through acquiring objective understanding of higher states otherwise consciousness typically can only understand the state of matter that it exists in or that of lower states...

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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Science has provided immense knowledge of the physical reality but this knowledge is very limited, barely scratching the surface, so it is reasonable to assume that there is still a much greater part of reality that is, as of yet, unexplored...Logically then, there is really nothing to contradict a reality beyond the physical and there are obvious signs and examples of phenomena that manifests in the physical reality but do not originate in the known physical reality...These are indications of something more than the physical reality science offers us...

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Knowledge is networked information with predictive ability.

If a body of networked information doesn't have predictive ability, then it is truly just a mumbo-jumbo.

People often say "... oh, science is so limited". Of course science is limited, because reality is narrow. Mankind is not limited by its fantasies, but it's resources. Anybody who has his feet firmly on the ground will always be much more limited than somebody who lives in fantasy.

I can, or even better AI can, produce not less then x10 "spiritual" books in an hour, for a simple reason that these books are just full of catch phrases and fantasies without any real meaning. Real meaning being the predictive ability, which is hard to get alpha and omega.

Or even better, it took around 14,000 years for science to fully develop, while spirituality sprung up almost immediately. Why was that? Simply, spirituality is just a pure fantasy, that requires no resources, like telescopes, microscopes, voltmeters, spectroscopes etc.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
“Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.”
― George Carlin
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Empirical science is supposed to quantify not define.

Agreed that there is a lot of pure nonsense associated with spirituality - always somebody out to make a buck. But it doesn't mean that all of it is, there are phenomena that just don't have an immediate explanation. Yet.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Empirical science is supposed to quantify not define.

Agreed that there is a lot of pure nonsense associated with spirituality - always somebody out to make a buck. But it doesn't mean that all of it is, there are phenomena that just don't have an immediate explanation. Yet.

Yet . . .

Age of science is only about 300 years old, while civilisation is about 14,000 years old and we separated from the previous roaming primates around 150,000 years. Obviously, we are making some progress, but as well we are taking time.

Its not just that some people are trying to turn over a quick back from spirituality. Its generally a freewheeling area where anything goes, exactly because nothing can be verified.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Best to have an open mind. Lots of things we take for granted today would have been dismissed as impossible, pure nonsense or worse.
 
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