Will be releasing exact method of UFO propulsion very soon.

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  1. Thomas R. Morrison

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    That "something" would be a violation of the conservation laws; specifically the conservation of momentum and the conservation of energy. EM fields can't do that because they're rank-1 tensor fields. Only gravity can produce reactionless propulsion effects because it's a deformation of the spacetime matrix itself, a rank-2 tensor field effect.

    I looked at every academic and cockamamee internet theory on the planet before I properly understood that EM physics couldn't get the job done. Only GR can yield the kind of field propulsion we see with AAVs. EM fields can be useful as a "handle," but the key is at the nuclear scale - manipulating the nucleons to magnify GR phenomena for practical applications, as Robert Forward suggested way back in 1963.

    If there's any truth to the anomalous and high-precision isotopic distribution found in the Argentinian case sample investigated by Jacques Vallee, this would confirm that the crucial factor is nuclear in nature because nuclear matter is basically neutronium; the link between matter and spacetime.
     
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  2. Shadowprophet

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    Called it. Just saying
     
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  3. Dejan Corovic

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    Yep, that one is obviously just a toy hanging on a string. Just a desperate inventor trying to attract some interest. Exactly the same thing that Daniel Fry was doing with his UFO footage, and Ray Stanford debunked him. Was that a reason to completely dismiss Fry? Surely not, because he said some things about physics of UFOS that were ahead of his time.

    There is much more to Hutchison than one crancked video. Hutch gave more than 700 presentations to engineers, scientists, investors and film crews, totaling an estimated 1,500 people. None of these people ever said "I was in Hutchison's lab and he's a fraud." Quite contrary, many of them became ardent supporters and financial investors. Examples are Colonel John Alexander who worked for Los Alamos Lab, Boeing (see bellow), Canadian electronics engineer George Hathaway (who wrote a book about H. after a year of working together and vouched that H-effects were genuine), businessman Alex Pezzaro (who put his money down and was the principal investor of initial Pharos group around H.) who had seen the effects and confirmed that in writing.

    Everybody who was somebody in aerospace industry sent their employees to spend hours and days in Hutchison's lab waiting for a chance to see successful levitation. Here's a list: McDonald Douglas, Lockheed Martin, Boeing Aerospace, Ames Research Center, Los Alamos Labs, several university research groups from Germany. Boeing funded for a full year a new bigger lab into which Hutchison's equipment was moved so that Boeing's scientists can have more freedom in monitoring experiments. On the end of Boeing sponsorship and all the scientific scrutiny that was done Boeing offered to Hutchinson military style contract that he refused to sign. Hutchison went for Germans instead. Germans sent a large group of scientists to monitor his experiments, than they invited him to their country and they paid for packaging and shipping of 20 tons of heavy equipment. But than whole thing collapsed when disgruntled investors tried to confiscate H.'s equipment, that triggered landlord to become afraid of fire in his building, that triggered Health & Safety officers to confiscate the whole lab. Sad and unfortunate story.

    How, of all the people, you, with your keen knowledge of physics, can fall for such ignorant debunking attempt?

    1.) I watched skeptic's video. Skeptic had put few objects in a shoebox and than rotated box by hand in 90 degrees increments. Needles to say, objects followed a jerky, nearly circular path, relative to the sides of the box. In all Hutchison's videos levitating objects fly parallel to the sides of the box, because, yes they fall upwards in a straight line. So, that one bites the dust.

    2.) Sceptic conveniently omitted to mention that liquids stayed for a long time inside a glass, before slowly, slowly taking off. If this was a simple upside down setup there would be no initial hold of the liquid in the glass, but the liquid will immediately fly out. Not to mention a slow and hesitating motion buildup, typical of all the H-effect objects, that is predicted by a need to build up nuclear precession resonance.

    3.) You didn't mention another debunker's claim about hidden magnets, but let's tackle that one while we are at it. How the hell one hides magnet in a transparent cup holding transparent liquid? Plus, obligatory slow motion buildup for nuclear precession resonance accumulation. One of H.'s videos shows just that.

    Thank you for the spoiler, without alert. I was hoping to slowly build up expectations and create a little bit of mystery before I reveal his indentity. Dr. Alzofon is true unsung hero of modern American science. He published physics papers widely in peer reviewed journals, but they all refused to publish his gravitation theory. And he was accomplished experimental scientist, able to deliver practical results, as much as theoretical. For all practical purposes, Dr Alzofon delivered a successful experiment that confirmed his theory about canceling of weight and inertia. Just that one little thing one needs to reach for the stars. Dr Alzofon's experimental success is actually the first delivery of controlled Hutchison effect.

    It's interesting that Hutchison and Dr Alzofon lived only few hundred miles from each other and worked during the same period on the same gravity approach. Unfortunately they never heard of each other, otherwise this would become public knowledge long time ago.
     
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  4. Shadowprophet

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    How he of all people, I tried to tell you it was bullshit. I mean I called it out, Sure I'm not sane as far as my bipolar issues. But I've proven a hundred times over no one here knows as much about physics as I do, outside of Thomas. People just like to brush me aside. I also knew Thomas would come through eventually and call it out. Just because I have mental issues as far as bipolar goes doesn't mean I don't know what I love, and that's physics.
    You don't study it for freaking fifteen years like I have and not learn anything. This theory is pseudoscience, I attempted to hash that out with you, but people just don't listen to me. And that's fine, I get that, Don't take physics lessons from the crazy Guy.

    But I do know my craft. Sorry though, I'm not being snide here. I've run communities based around physics, Just because I'm bipolar doesn't mean I'm not a clinical genius. That's on paper.
     
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  5. Dejan Corovic

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    Yep, that's exactly why I took my research in a direction of rotation of nuclei. For every electron there is a proton-neutron pair with 3,600 mass of electron. So it's obvious that both gravity and inertia come from nuclei.

    What Dr Alzofon came up with, is just one small, experimentally testable, extension to general theory. His theory is otherwise in complete agreement with GTR. And experiment is relatively so simple that even an advanced amateur can do it.
     
  6. Shadowprophet

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    Are you sure you aren't just defending a theory that you are personally invested in? Everyone here has suffered a defeat on theory at some point. We live and learn.


    If there are any replies for me, which I don't speculate, I'll check back later, something is wrong. I feel dizzy kinda weird, I'm gonna lay down. And no it's not a bipolar thing, It's like a severe sinus thing I think.
     
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  7. Dejan Corovic

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    Problem is that you are throwing baby out with a water. That is only human and I don't blame you. Hutchison's work needs to be looked in a full context, not just one isolated incident. As well Hutchinson effect is experimentally confirmed by Dr Alzofon's experiment. That pretty much settles it down.

    I demonstrated in the above post that at least three people with substantial credentials vouched for H.'s veracity. But you just skipped through thread, like yesterday when you gave me hard time because you confused Larmor's frequency with laminar frequency.

    Please, if you are science guy, dig deeper on your own as well, except hanging on me for every fact.

    Research on Dr Alzofon, if you don't like disrupter of Hutchison's magnitude.
     
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  8. Shadowprophet

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    I admit you have a great turn to you Dejan, I like your personality. With all the shlock I just spewed out most people would have been angry. You are good people bro :)
     
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  9. Dejan Corovic

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    OK, let's all push for Hutch. and Dr Alzofon. It's not my theory.
     
  10. pepe

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    How alike science and religion really are is well on display here.
     
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  11. Shadowprophet

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    I will tell you what I will do, Because Kindness means a lot to me, and you are a kind person, I'm going to research on this as much as much information as I can find.

    I am more open to radical theoretical science than most people. And I wasn't joking, Even though, I don't subscribe to it, it's an interesting theory and a good read.
     
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  12. Shadowprophet

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    That may be true, haven't you heard, to Some people science is a religion.

    Legit.

    I may be one of those people,, unintentionally.
     
  13. pepe

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    Seeing is believing and even that has less credence as time goes by.
     
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  14. CasualBystander

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    I'm sympathetic to your viewpoint.

    But since nobody has demonstrated a do-it-yourself UFO I am open to other avenues, and somebody did file a vibration and microwave UFO patent.

    But these presumptive UFO builders have to generate a test article that generates some measurable force in some direction without the use of strings before it is even necessary to discuss if it is a bad lab test, or successful engineering.

    Hutchenson (from the posts and links) didn't know what he was doing. On the other hand (please post test results and videos) the people who claim a theory for what he was doing haven't produced better results to my knowledge.
     
  15. CasualBystander

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    Fine, a cheap proof of concept at a reputable lab is all I am looking for.
     
  16. Dejan Corovic

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    That is exactly what I am saying here. Both Dr Alzofon and Hutchison had proven the same thing. You can forget about "reputable lab" doing this. If UFO community doesn't do it itself, nobody else will do it.

    As requested, the test article itself. Dr. Alzofon performed an experiment successfully, on the vertical axis is weight loss. Weight loss happened immediately it was 80% of magnitude of theoretically predicted value. Dr Alzofon was a distinguished experimental physicist working in aero-space industry, for likes of Boeing and Ames Research Labs.

    Weight loss was performed in university laboratory, by using Electron Paramagnetic Resonance device and highly-accurate Mettle scale capable of 0.01mg weight change resolution. Test sample was Aluminum-Iron Al-Fe alloy, 97.5% Al and 2.5% Fe. Test sample was in a form of nano-particle powder of Al & Fe and less than one micron in diameter. That powder was mixed with casting plastic. Total weight of the sample was 1.1143gm +/-0.01mg. Microwave cavity was resonant at a frequency of 9.545 GHz +/-5Mhz. Equipment was prepared and calibrated by his colleague who had eight years in working with a given instrumentation.

    His experimental setup was strong static magnetic field coming from Electron Paramagnetic Resonance device (just a big electro-magnet) and microwave pulses perpendicular to the static magnetic field.

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    Full article is here: Gravity Control with Present Technology by David Alzofon - A & P Electronic Media

    But what you will find on the web is very limited. One really need to read David Alzofon's book

    ... And the Sacred Cow said "Muuuu!"

    Since 20's it has been known that in general relativity energy is not conserved. Here is intro article "Energy is NOT conserved". GTR is the only mainstream scientific theory that doesn't satisfy energy conservation. Now something will have to give, at some point in future, either GTR or energy conservation. I am by no means saying that there is something wrong with GTR, just that it is incomplete and thus at any time extended by another even better theory. My bet is with enthropic gravity.

    General relativity is the best we've got, but is an incomplete theory, because it is only descriptive.GTR doesn't give us mechanism that produces gravity. Proof that it is incomplete is that it doesn't correctly predict rotational curves of galaxies. In that sense GTR more accurate than Newton's theory, but still short as a good answer.
     
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  17. Dejan Corovic

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    Well, that is unfortunately naive. I am not saying you are naive, I am saying that mentioning gravity in a circles of mainstream science is equivalent of destroying your own career. Dr. Alzofon submitted requests for lab time and funding for ten years and was constantly refused. He was stuck in a perpetual limbo, to prove theory he needed lab, but lab was not given to him because of attitude of scientific community. Eventually, a friend who worked in an university lab organized experiment in a secret and they managed to pull off 3 lab days, before administrators noticed that EPR machine was missing. But the small team managed to pull of a string of about 10-20 highly accurate measurements that were generally aligned with his theory. It's all in his book.

    No self-respecting lab would accept working with outsiders, because that will ruin their reputation with their main customer, universities.

    As for the cheap, the only way to repeat this experiment if we pull together for about $100,000 and do it ourselves. $100,000 or almost certainly less, is very cheap as scientific experiments go. Even than we'll just get hard time from both media and mainstream science.
     
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  18. CasualBystander

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    Well...

    Fine.

    I look forward to reports on your progress. As long as you have lab results (that hopefully you can trust) that show some effect, your next proof of concept should be all you need for funding.

    DARPA is throwing a million dollars of new funding at EMDrive so the money is out there.

    Physics from the edge: Bozeman, Montana or TU-Dresden?

    The most unexpected thing that Martin said to me was in the evening while socialising (I had some delicious Saxische Sauerbraten and dumplings, and rather more than my usual amount of beer). He criticised most of the well-known lab anomalies as being debatable due to often sloppy technique, and yet showed some interest in an anomaly I thought had been wildly discredited: Hutchison's. I thought I'd had too much beer.. Good physics is of course predictive, but the profession itself is not!

    Dr. Martin Tajmar apparently thinks there might be something to the Hutchison's effect so you could be on to something.
     
  19. Dejan Corovic

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    Any ideas on how one can get money for a projects rejected by mainstream and, on the top, which are other people's idea?
     
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  20. Thomas R. Morrison

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    John Hutchison is not an inventor; he’s a professional con artist. Best I can tell, that’s the only career he’s ever had and none of his results are legit.

    Most people dismissed Fry for that, and they were justified in doing so. But Fry was also a successful scientist and engineer who began as a demolitions expert and ended up working on America’s early aerospace program at White Sands Missile Proving Ground. Hutchison, in contrast, is just a dirty hippie who dedicated his life to conning people out of their attention and money.

    All of that is completely meaningless – just because somebody runs a good con, doesn’t suddenly make them a legit scientist. Even smart and reputable people have fallen for con artists since the dawn of time.

    There’s exactly zero credible evidence that Hutchison ever did anything with his life besides fooling people and making faked videos. And he's been at this shit for over forty years.

    Pepe's right - when "the will to believe" overcomes dispassionate skepticism, science becomes a religion.

    No dude, his objects fall down in a straight line and the camera is upside down. Now that it’s been pointed out to you, you should be able to see it in all of his faked videos. But you’re being stubborn – there’s that confirmation bias again. You need to stop seeing what you want to see and start seeing what’s actually there.

    Hutchison used a variety of simple tricks to fake his videos. It takes about 5 seconds to figure out each one, once you know they’re fake. The most impressive part is how long he managed to fool so many people using such obvious tricks that date back over a century.

    If your argument requires theatrics then it’s not a scientific argument.

    Maybe Dr. Alzofon’s experiment did work, maybe not. But in either case you’re doing his memory a disservice by conflating an accomplished professional scientist with a sleazy hack like John Hutchison, who isn’t a scientist and has never accomplished a damn thing with his life (other than fooling people using faked videos and personal theatrics).
     
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