How is The Coronavirus affecting your life?

nivek

As Above So Below
Feeling fine this morning, no more cramping in my arm. that seemed a momentary thing that's passed...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I think we're going to sign up for a county notification service to let us know what's available and where. Our neighbors just got the Astra Zeneca shot with no ill effects. No idea if they should have had that particular flavor or not but they seem happy with it. Good news is they didn't have to travel too far.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I think we're going to sign up for a county notification service to let us know what's available and where. Our neighbors just got the Astra Zeneca shot with no ill effects. No idea if they should have had that particular flavor or not but they seem happy with it. Good news is they didn't have to travel too far.

Thats not possible because the Astra Zeneca vaccine hasn't been approved for use in the US yet unless they got that vaccine overseas...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Thats not possible because the Astra Zeneca vaccine hasn't been approved for use in the US yet unless they got that vaccine overseas...

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OK. Got the name wrong - just what the neighbor said. I haven't ben paying much attention to the vaccines. Probably should but have total coronaburnout
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I received my second Moderna vaccine shot this morning. I am now in the waiting pattern. My wife had her second shot on last Friday afternoon. She had the chills that evening and then she slept most of the weekend away.
 

Kaipo

Adept
I'm sorry you are having trouble. I hope you can find employment soon, I have experienced that and it is really hard.

My sis got the Corona but dad says its just flu even tho she test positive for the Corona twice. SO that was the big drama over the weekend lots of arguing. Glad I live across town.
 

michael59

Celestial
Feeling fine this morning, no more cramping in my arm. that seemed a momentary thing that's passed...

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US recommends ‘pause’ for J&J vaccine over clot reports

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. is recommending a “pause” in administration of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine to investigate reports of potentially dangerous blood clots.

In a joint statement Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration said they were investigating unusual clots in six women that occurred 6 to 13 days after vaccination. The clots occurred in veins that drain blood from the brain and occurred together with low platelets. All six cases were in women between the ages of 18 and 48.

The reports appear similar to a rare, unusual type of clotting disorder that European authorities say is possibly linked to another COVID-19 vaccine not yet cleared in the U.S., from AstraZeneca.

More than 6.8 million doses of the J&J vaccine have been administered in the U.S., the vast majority with no or mild side effects.
They seem to emphasize that this may only be a temporary pause while they investigate how to proceed. We will see.


CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices will meet Wednesday to discuss the cases and the FDA has also launched an investigation into the cause of the clots and low platelet counts.

“Until that process is complete, we are recommending a pause in the use of this vaccine out of an abundance of caution,” Dr. Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the CDC, and Dr. Peter Marks, director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, said in a joint statement.

They are recommending that people who were given the J&J vaccine who are experiencing severe headache, abdominal pain, leg pain, or shortness of breath within three weeks after receiving the shot contact their health care provider.

U.S. health authorities cautioned doctors against using a typical clot treatment, the blood-thinner heparin. “In this setting, administration of heparin may be dangerous and alternative treatments need to be given,” the FDA and CDC said.

European authorities investigating the AstraZeneca cases have concluded clots appear to be similar to a very rare abnormal immune response that sometimes strikes people treated with heparin, leading to a temporary clotting disorder.

Officials say they also want to educate vaccine providers and health professionals about the “unique treatment” required for this type of clot.

These are some intriguing and confounding bits of info about this particular type of clotting, and the counter-reactions to heparin.
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It seems like there is something interesting to learn here.
 

nivek

As Above So Below

nivek

As Above So Below
Pausing the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is wildly irresponsible

Use of the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine has been paused in multiple states after the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control issued an advisory recommending they do so "out of an abundance of caution." The reason is a tiny handful of unusual blood clotting events — just six of them, to be precise, out of a total of 6.8 million doses administered in the United States thus far.

This is an incomprehensible decision. As Helen Branswell writes at STAT News, every single clotting event involved a woman aged between 18 and 48 with a condition called thrombocytopenia (or low blood platelets). It isn't even clear yet that the vaccine actually caused the clots — the background rate of this particular kind of clotting is about five per million people, per year.

Now, of course public health authorities should be vigilant about potential side effects, and they should inform the medical and scientific communities about any troubling data that comes up. It would be understandable to pause a treatment that was just a precaution for some rare disease. But we are still right in the middle of a deadly viral pandemic, and cases are increasing: up from about 55,000 per day in mid-March to 70,000 per day, thanks mainly to an exploding outbreak in Michigan. Deaths are falling, but still coming in at about 750 per day. COVID-19 is a serious disease, even for younger people — indeed, one of the common complications is dangerous blood clots.

It might be reasonable to recommend that women under 50, or anyone with thrombocytopenia, get one of the other vaccines while scientists try to figure out what is going on. But pausing all use of the J&J vaccine will certainly prevent many thousands of people from getting vaccinated so long as the pause lasts, and will likely do long-term damage to the reputation of all the vaccines. The anti-vaccine crowd on Fox News is going to to go nuts with this, spreading fear and paranoia and increasing the resistance of Republicans to vaccination. This decision is the opposite of caution.

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AD1184

Celestial
The J&J vaccine is very similar to the AstraZeneca vaccine, in that it is a genetically modified adenovirus designed to produce the spike proteins from Covid-19, just like AstraZeneca. It is perhaps not surprising that it would have similar side effects. Of course, you have to balance those against the risk of serious adverse effects if you caught Covid-19, and your chances of catching Covid-19 (also against the risk of you transmitting the virus to other people near to you).
 

nivek

As Above So Below
The J&J vaccine is very similar to the AstraZeneca vaccine, in that it is a genetically modified adenovirus designed to produce the spike proteins from Covid-19, just like AstraZeneca. It is perhaps not surprising that it would have similar side effects. Of course, you have to balance those against the risk of serious adverse effects if you caught Covid-19, and your chances of catching Covid-19 (also against the risk of you transmitting the virus to other people near to you).

Six people out of Seven million is a percentage of 0.00008571 which isn't much of a risk if the blood clots are associated with the J&J vaccine compared to the risk of what Covid-19 has to offer...

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Standingstones

Celestial
It is the next day after I received my second Moderna shot. Last evening, other than my upper right arm aching, I felt fine. Tuesday morning I woke up and felt super tired. I did get up and get a shower. Then it was back to sleep for about four hours. I seem to be coming around now. Considering what others have gone through I feel lucky that all went well.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
What I am wondering is this. Sometime down the line most of the people who want the Covid shots will have had them. Knowing human nature people will be shedding their masks, despite what the government or health officials may say. What will happen then? Will things get back to some normalcy or will we linger in some sort of zone where years may pass until the population just gives up on going back to the way things were. What do you all say?
 

michael59

Celestial
What I am wondering is this. Sometime down the line most of the people who want the Covid shots will have had them. Knowing human nature people will be shedding their masks, despite what the government or health officials may say. What will happen then? Will things get back to some normalcy or will we linger in some sort of zone where years may pass until the population just gives up on going back to the way things were. What do you all say?

I don't know how it can go back to normal, Standingstones. I think we will have to find a new normal because even the so called "class system" has changed. A lot of people went broke during this and not just business owners. People had to dig into there savings, most thinking it would be short term, now they won't be able to retire when/how they planned.

The more I think about it the more I see changes happening in the way we work, school, shop, etc.
 
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